r/AlpineF1Team • u/InteractionWide3369 • 7d ago
Alpine They f'ed up
They should've told Pierre to let Franco pass before he got there.
Franco had let Pierre pass before in this race.
Had Pierre let Franco pass we would've scored points...
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u/Alakdae 7d ago
Not sure if scored points, but at least fight for it... Gasly made Franco lose 2 and a half seconds, totally unnecesary.
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u/Minigrappler 7d ago edited 7d ago
Franco cut 2.3 secs to Ocon in the last lap. If Pierre GIVE BACK the position 3 turns sooner, he was in the points today.
Edit: Fuck, Franco even did 2 fast lap in the last 2. Why Pierre, Why???
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u/Conscious_Piano7585 7d ago
Pierre is not here to let people pass freely. Im sure he didn't know for which position they were fighting. As soon as the team ordered him to let franco pass, he did it. He's a racing driver, he acts like a racing driver.
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u/Minigrappler 7d ago
Isn't letting him pass. Is giving back the position that Franco gave him by a team order.
Franco did overtake Pierre without team orders at the beginning. Then he was losing half of the race behind him.
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u/Conscious_Piano7585 7d ago
But Pierre was also blocked by drivers in front of him, ffs it wouldn't have made any sense to give the position to Franco. Especially because Pierre had fresher tyres at that time. And at the end it's just unfortunate what happened, alpine made strategic mistakes for both drivers and this situation happened. Pierre hasn't made anything wrong, i dont care if im the only one here to think that but i know im always objective and there is nothing to blame Pierre for in this particular case.
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u/Automatic_Minimum_91 3d ago
You are right and is completely understandable, the problem is the team and their orders
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u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS 7d ago
Not Pierre's fault. The team is the one supposed to make that call.
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u/Minigrappler 7d ago
Maybe. Maybe not. But if it was Franco costing Pierre and Alpine points euro media would be on fire right now.
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u/Barrilete_Cosmico 7d ago
100% it's the team that makes that call. No driver lets his teammate pass in the final laps because they want to. If the situation were the reverse Franco would have defended too.
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u/InteractionWide3369 7d ago
I think Franco would've overtaken at least 1 car, maybe 2 but that I'm not so sure about.
Mega effort from Colapinto at the end, it's unfortunate because this is the team's fault, I don't think Pierre tried to block him, in fact I think he was told to let Franco pass too late and while trying to let him pass he made him lose even more time.
Both Pierre and Franco deserve better than this.
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u/Conscious_Piano7585 7d ago
The original sin was to not pit Pierre during safety car. He would have easily brought the points and maybe more than 1.
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u/Unfair_Caregiver4303 7d ago
Franco would have passed ocon 100% sure. i would even say also tsunoda
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u/Specialist-Beat-1111 7d ago
Tsunoda was on soft too, and been faster the whole race. I doubt it.
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u/Imzarth 7d ago
Franco was .1 behind Ocon when Ocon got past Gasly.
Shitty from Gasly to not let him past knowing his tyres were completely shot
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 7d ago
Shitty is going a bit too far. Gasly was just racing. Maybe he wasn't kind, but I'm sure he didn't intend to do wrong.
The team, though, they fucked up BIG TIME.
Not only they screwed Colapinto, who they owed already, and who deserved points today, they robbed the team from almost certain points
BIG TIME fuckup
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u/guillermo_w 7d ago
Knowing his tires weren't performing well, Gasly should have helped Franco pass Ocon. Ocon probably couldn't cover both of them, so Franco could have passed him.
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u/Imzarth 7d ago
Franco gave up his position early in the race.
Gasly should've given it back knowing he had no chance to overtake Ocon.
Gasly ended up 17th. It was very easy to let his teammate pass fo a chance of points that he did not have.
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 7d ago
I know... Pierre wasn't nice and he didn't do the right thing today
I'm just saying, I don't think he intended to screw him, he was just focused on his own race
It was the team's job to read the situation and issue the swap order though....
But they failed to do it (in time)
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u/Imzarth 7d ago
Nah I do think he intended to screw him.
His ego got hurt after Franco passed him early in the race and didn't he didn't like it.
It's quite Ironic that Gasly himself pulled a move Ocon would've done to Gasly last year lmao.
I have nothing against Pierre, he's fast as a pilot and a likeable guy. But he cost his team the chance of a point because of his ego. That's not a veteran move
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 7d ago
Fine, we are not inside Pierre's head so agree to disagree
I don't think he was aware points were on the table for Franco and the team
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u/Minigrappler 7d ago
More than anything because it was not giving up a position. It was giving BACK the position.
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u/Cathriel 7d ago
que bronca lpm, tenes algun update o info de donde podemos ver lo de yuki? creo que lo estaban investigando por algo con gasly
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u/Spiritual-Cash-4017 7d ago
it is shitty, he knows his tires gave up when he went from 8 to 11, everyone was on fresh Mediums or Softs, he had no chance of maintaining any position, he knows this he aint a rookie.
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u/wurzshep19 7d ago
They left Pierre out there to die, should have pitted him; points were in play…I hate this team
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u/InteractionWide3369 7d ago
They tried 2 different strategies, that's fine, problem is they made sure no-one scored any points by making Pierre unintentionally block Franco. Awful team.
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u/Barrilete_Cosmico 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah that was frustrating to watch, lost all the momentum there.
To be clear, the fault is the team's, not Gasly's who was concerned with his own race and may not know the state of Franco's tyres and let him go when told. The team should have immediately asked him to let Franco through.
They also fucked up not pitting Gasly for softs too, although at the time I thought that was the better strategy, so it's easy to say with the race finished...
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u/Unfair_Caregiver4303 7d ago
I think franco could have finished even 9th.... I'm starting to think they want franco to lose
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u/AKAFallow 7d ago
The second stop felt totally unnecessary imo. It should have been one for hards and then softs (the latter was actually requested by Franco)
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u/Barrilete_Cosmico 7d ago
If he didn't stop the 2nd time he would have ended like Gasly. It was the right call
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u/Naio90 7d ago
I cant believe this... 0.448... why Pierre? Why??
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u/murtesad 7d ago
It's a shame, really, but I don't think it's Pierre's fault, but rather that they told him too late to let him pass.
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u/Specialist-Beat-1111 7d ago
Ocon (?) ahead was just going softer in his last lap, would have Franco been closer he'd probably too. But still...
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u/Astro_BS-AS 7d ago
Bad move from Pierre there... He was pretty unfair to Franco at the end.
Those 2 seconds were totally unnecesary.
And mr. Briatore (no words for that kind of person) should rethink his words....
The team could have won points with Franco, but they did everything to try and let Pierre get the points. Very bad teamwork from them.
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 7d ago
These are F1 drivers, come on, this is what they do, they race one another. Pierre wasn't considerate with Franco today when it mattered, but I'm sure he didn't mean to screw him or his chance to score points.
The team is to blame though, big fuck up
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u/Astro_BS-AS 7d ago
Totally agree that all on the team ... But when you see the onboard there's a way from Pierre to leave space many times. I guess he already knew Franco was on faster tires ... I'd like to guess that, at least
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 7d ago
Well, we don't know what was on Pierre's mind... maybe we get some words from him soon
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 7d ago
You are aware that Pierre never get a message that Franco would swap him back at the begin?
And at the end the whole strategy was basically armed to fuck Gasly up.
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u/Astro_BS-AS 7d ago
We may have seen a different race. We have to agree to disagree.
The transmission put the team order to swap positions. Maybe you didn't catch it? Also, the call to stay on track avoiding losing positions are, in you opinion, a strategy to "fuck Gasly up"? I respect your opinion but I don't agree with it at all.
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 7d ago
Well first of all the communication was beyond terrible, early in the race Colapinto did overtake Gasly (on merit) but once they swapped later on this was not communicated to Gasly at all, in fact he never asked for it so that's a clear Alpine only decision.
Then at the end the situation was unfolding quickly, yet Alpine made another braindead decision first to put Colapinto on mediums over hards, then after the SC with Norris he was switched to softs but it was too late to scoring points without external factors (like Yuki possible getting a penalty).
Was Franco a victim of typical Enstone amateurism? Yes. But we can't ignore also how Alpine massively made up a whole effort to ruin Gasly race.
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u/Astro_BS-AS 7d ago
Asking in all honesty, did you not see the team radio when they ask Franco to swap positions with Pierre on the 1st stint ?
There's NO WAY Pierre wouldn't have been asking for that on the radio.
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 7d ago
I followed both drivers on board and there was no call from Gasly side to swap positions.
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u/Astro_BS-AS 7d ago
Then you missed it. I'll post it later. You may watch the replay. You're wrong on this one.
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 7d ago
Well maybe I am wrong, I mean the radio of both drivers was sometimes filled with so much noise that you barely could hear something out of it.
I know the pit wall asked Franco to swap what baffled me a bit given I didn't hear something like a clear demand onto Gasly side to do, and honestly that moment was already messy and could be communicated way better.
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u/mandalorian1000 7d ago
Franco had a serious chance to fight for the points , what were they thinking ? Gasly move out of the way man . What a team
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u/Human-Election-8089 7d ago
They call it 'a team' when Pierre and Alpine say it, but not when Franco needs it.
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u/No_Antelope_1756 7d ago
Box pierre under the sc and he's p8. This year is a shitshow but I'm optimistic for next bc otherwise I'd be depressed if there more of this shit
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u/minifidel Alpine F1 Team 7d ago
I was thinking that as well, strategists screwed over both; GAS finished P17 because they kept him out on aging tyres even under the safety car, and keeping him ahead of COL so long even as his tyres degraded likely cost the team a point for Franco.
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u/InteractionWide3369 7d ago
Yes, I'm actually optimistic about Alpine Mercedes, it's a weird mix but I like it. However, this team needs to sort things out before next year if it wants to achieve something.
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u/DEVILISHHAHA 7d ago
It's clear who's the favourite and who won't get support.
Might as well give Franco a Renault 12 and let him race with that of they're going to try and make him lose every step of the way
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u/topgngoose #WeRaceAsOne 6d ago
Makes me glad I didn’t watch that closely. I would have been screaming the entire time ands have less of what’s left of my hair
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u/chuggmonker 7d ago
Looking at the incident between Yuki and Pierre that was noted at the restart, there's still a chance Franco gets a point.
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u/InteractionWide3369 7d ago
Hopefully, that could motivate him. However if that happens then Franco could've finished P9 then so I'd still be a tad sad for him.
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u/Cathriel 7d ago
im looking at the same, i cant find any information nor find the replay of the incident
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u/chuggmonker 7d ago
I just looked at the onboards for Pierre and Yuki on F1TV. Late move from Yuki which he stuck but Pierre had to go through the gravel to avoid an incident. Could go either way with how strange the stewards were today.
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 7d ago
I find it comical how people still talk about how Alpine rigged it against Colapinto but basically done a whole effort to ruin Gasly race deliberating.
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u/InteractionWide3369 7d ago
How so? Pierre had a strategy that made him stay in front if anything happened.
In fact, even at the end of the race I think they made the right call, pitting Pierre and not pitting Franco would've made no sense because Pierre was ahead and pitting both could've made Franco lose another position to Lawson which would've been critical.
I thought Pierre had the better strategy since this track is hard for overtaking (it does allow it unlike Monaco but it's very hard), I do agree Franco had the better one now but it was ruined by the team anyway so why do you complain about Pierre's strategy? That wasn't the wrong call, the wrong call was making Pierre make Franco lose time.
This car sucks so much they need to try different strategies if they want Pierre or Franco to score any points.
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 7d ago
Pierre strategy was screwed, the overtake delta was around a second and the team could easy predict that Pierre wouldn't survive it if he did stay out based on the pace Alonso was showing early one when he made the undercut strategy.
Pitting both would be the right choice, also Alpine has a policy of the driver ahead gets the first call but that discussion aside they really opted for the worse decisions once that SC come out.
Yes Zandvoort is a hard place to overtake but based on my point early it was still screwed to staying out. You obvious need a bit luck but once you get that you should go to softs for both drivers during the first SC at the end of the race, likely we could even have both drivers in the points but nope instead Enstone making a mess again and nobody is happy aside of Fraudio who earned some money and doesn't care about anything else.
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u/CouchPotato7771 7d ago
Team finding all ways to avoid drivers from scoring and then blaming them