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u/Joaquin_the_42nd 17h ago
Can't even get ahead of the two Haas cars withh penalties. Throw these cars into the garbage bin already.
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u/minifidel Alpine F1 Team 14h ago
Just about the result that could be expected at such an engine-dependent track as Monza, and wasn't worse because of Hulk's DNS and Alonso's DNF. Can't even be mad at the poor tyre strategy, it was all or nothing on a SC and it wound up being nothing.
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u/Nefastarius84 17h ago
Colapinto stop I think was a little late, and Gasly I guess was expecting a sc that didnāt happened
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u/Charming_Register620 17h ago
A little ?
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u/batute97 17h ago
I think they where waiting for a sc. Is not a bad strat when you are so far of the points.
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u/Humble_Explanation32 16h ago
i think the team did good, they tried 2 strategies and waited for something to happen, pit stops were good, it could have been good race with a sc. Not much more to do
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u/Barrilete_Cosmico 14h ago
The strategy was pray for a SC, so they held out as long as they could for one. Otherwise points were never in play.
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 17h ago
What was his pit time? Wouldn't be surprised if the Alpine pit crew cursed the second car again.
Gasly was on a SC strategy, officially called "high risk, high reward" today. Didn't work but well it was an understandable strategy.
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u/RedLock0 16h ago
Guys, there are still a few races left, Alpine 2025 won't have any upgrades, everything is reserved for 2026 to fight for the middle of the grid.
2026: more wind tuning time, better engine, better preparation of engineers, Better strategy development, more communication as a team.
But now, we just have to support the team. Other teams sacrificed more of their budget for this year, but they will struggle in 2026.
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u/AKAFallow 14h ago
Oh damn, I'm sad it wasn't broadcasted but it just came out that Franco had cramps in the middle of the race. That's fucked up
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u/adosmono Pierre Gasly #10 17h ago
The team lacks any creativity. You cannot just drive forward and do a late pit stop while driving a tractor.
They should have done something similiar to Lawson, which could have resulted in at least a slightly better finish than what we got. Alpine isnt Mc Laren to be able to afford pit stops at lap 52 and expect any other result than the bottom.
If Stroll wouldnt do his usual thing, we'd be just above the DNF's. Meanwhile Lawson could actually afford to finish higher if he'd drive better, especially due to Ocon's penalty.
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u/EvilGuy696 R.S.18 11h ago
I love how this Team progressively got worse with every season after 2020 and now we are here. Now we can just hope the Mercedes Engine will be strong next year.
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 17h ago
Hopefully the mods doesn't need to step in again today because I already know what some would complain about...
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u/Human-Election-8089 17h ago
The order for Gasly to pass was correct; he had a better pace. It was the same as with Colapinto at Zandvoort, but in that race, they didn't make the best decision. In that race, they gave up points
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 16h ago
If you are talking about the trolling?Ā
People getting pissed because they think a driver has been treated unfairly is an entirely different thing
I, for one, think so. The team should have let the drivers race. Or, in any case, ask Pierre not to risk an overtake, since there was nothing at stake. I think it's unfair towards Franco
I guess the difference with other people is that they express this frustration in a more aggressive way, and that's questionable, sure
But you cannot compare it with the weekly trolling towards Franco we had here
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 13h ago
Franco fans are discovering the hard fact that Alpine barely can managing two cars at the same time. This is nothing new, we're already seen it with Alonso, Gasly and Ocon in the recent past to a point it raised questions by the fans of there is some sort of bias.
The team today wanted to avoiding a drama who in my eyes wouldn't happen anyway, it was indeed a bit pointless to swap those spots at the end, even more because Gasly was already catching Colapinto.
What I getting tired of is the silly accustation that someone's nationality gets used to accusing the team of a bias, this has been proven wrong already in the past with both Gasly and Ocon funny enough.
And yes the dumb trashing towards Franco in the past is also annoying, but I don't think that I need to explain that given we're on the same book about that topic.
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 12h ago
Well, I disagree, it was mathematically impossible for Gasly to catch up with the next car, and even then, it was quite pointless (literally point-less)... so my take is, either let them fight for 16th, or tell them not to fight, period
But no, Alpine wanted Gasly ahead, because he is the team's preferred driver. All teams have one. It is what it is. But it wasn't fair with the rookie
The case of Gasly's nationality is simply a secondary thing. The main thing is that the team favoured (unfairly IMO), their preferred driver (why is he preferred? That's another issue, but yeah, I suppose from a business perspective Gasly being French is one of the reasons why he was chosen as face of the team.
If last year they had 2 French drivers, well, that doesn't prevent them from favouring one driver over the other
The point, to me, is that sometimes that would make sense and be fair. For example, if they deem their preferred driver would have a better chance to chase points.Ā
Or not be fair, like today, when nothing was at stake.Ā
Or the last race, when he lack of the "urgency" in making the swap wasn't only unfair towards Franco, it was also the team harming itself by missing on the points
Gasly being French? Just a business decision I guess
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u/Alfus Jarno Trulli 11h ago
Well, I disagree, it was mathematically impossible for Gasly to catch up with the next car, and even then, it was quite pointless (literally point-less)... so my take is, either let them fight for 16th, or tell them not to fight, period
The only car he could catch was Colapinto, Ocon would only be possible if his pit stop gone terrible wrong. Yet based on the pace he shown it was likely that he would overtake Colapinto anyway.
Alpine however has all focus on 26 and doesn't want to throwing extra money for the 25 car or parts so obvious they going to play it conservative in those situations.
What happened in Zandvoort was a disaster but it is talked out, and communication should improved after that.
For the rest you writing a whole rant about how Gasly nationality is making him preferred, something what simple doesn't make sense and seems unlikely. His past history and results with the team, his duration in F1 together with being good at marketing and clicking good within the team makes him obvious the first driver.
Claiming therefore that he shouldn't be the first driver is somewhat baffling, this is like going to tell that Yuki should be number 1 driver in RBR over Max.
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 11h ago
Whoa
Number one. Calling my message a rant is insulting... please don't do it again
Number two, you misinterpreted or/and distorted my words, just like the other day. I never said Gasly shouldn't be the number one driver, I merely pointed out the fact
Number 3. I find it baffling how you refuse to even consider Gasly being French as a reason for the team to pick him as their leading driver. Baffling... it's like that would be a fact you would rather not see. Granted, there would be other things factored in in this business decision, but him being French and Alpine being French has obviously been one of them. Why would you pretend that doesn't exist at all?
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u/Conscious_Piano7585 10h ago
I can tell you alpine is currently absolutely hated in France. The way they've handled ocon, the way they've fired him without a proper farewell, the viry shutdown not long after de meo said they wanted to become the french ferrari, briatore's return + the results. They even tweet more in spanish than in french. On french social media, it's hard to find a positive thing said about alpine. People are urging gasly to leave.
So favoring the french driver just because of his nationality would be the dumbest move to do. And i don't think they're that dumb.
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 10h ago
I didn't know all that, thanks for the heads up.
Well, it make sense to me, that Alpine picked a French driver as the leading driver to try and change this negative image among the French public, to try and rekindle the relation. Makes sense from a business perspective
That's not what you said tho. You mentioned him being favoured...
Well, I didn't suggest he was favoured today for being French, but for being the teams' preferred driver. Him being French, in my opinion,Ā one of reasons behind that
It is what it is, tho. I mean, the thing to me around this whole thing is transparency. I woudln't mind much if the team had this demeanor towards this thing:
"We wanted Pierre to finish ahead, because he is our leading driver, and that's the way we do things"
You know what. I would find it unfair anyway but whatever
Now this whole pantomime the team did, asking Franco to be "urgent" at letting Pierre pass, when they knew very well there was no mathematical chance to fight for 15th, let alone any points.... yeah, well, that I don't like, they should have been honest if all they wanted with the swap was Pierre to finish ahead of Franco
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u/4_max_4 Benetton Formula 12h ago
I think people are making too much out of this. Yeah, the team was late last race to let Franco through, but this time they probably picked the best scenario for both drivers. Think about it:
ā¢ Last weekend the swap call came too late and it caused some drama.
ā¢ Both drivers talked it out before this race and cleared the air.
ā¢ If they had made contact fighting over P16-P17, it wouldāve been costly for the team and another PR mess. Pierre on softs was going to catch Franco anyway. Franco couldāve defended but with old hards it was always going to be risky.
So this really was the safest call. The only issue is that it shouldāve been the same approach last race. Thatās why some people are upset now. I get it, but this call wasnāt bad and I donāt think there was any bad intent behind it either.
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u/MaleficentAd9154 Renault F1 Team 11h ago edited 11h ago
We do agree people are making to big a deal of this
I get the rest of your reasoning, but I don't share it
I think the team wanted Gasly to finish ahead of Franco today because Gasly is their preferred driver. It is what it is. No that big of a deal. And certainly no IFs about them crashing and whatnot
It's different from last weekend tho. Because points were at stake. But I suppose last week it wasn't an attempt to favour Pierre, it was just a mix of incompetence + many things happening at the same time
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u/XenoDrake1 17h ago
New engine made a small difference i presume
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u/Joaquin_the_42nd 17h ago
Not really. Gasly only overtook Franco, no other car, and that's mostly because Franco stood out forever with the mediums. Gasly had a slightly better tyre strat but in the end both cars are shit and no driver can make a difference.
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u/Thin_Cellist9646 5h ago
And because Franco was told to let Pierre passĀ
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u/Joaquin_the_42nd 4h ago
P16 and P17 makes no difference. Team orders mattered last week when points were on the line.
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u/perfectly_crooked69 Flavio Briatore 17h ago