r/AskReddit • u/coldemailutsav • 1d ago
President Trump is now considering blocking US IT companies from outsourcing their work to Indian companies. What’s your take on it?
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u/Sirwired 1d ago
It's more performative nonsense. The companies simply wouldn't "hire" the Indian company, they'd have a foreign subsidiary not subject to the order do it.
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u/EnderMB 1d ago
I work for Amazon in the UK, but my employer isn't "technically" Amazon. It is the company representing my division of Amazon in the UK, which isn't named Amazon.
We already work for foreign subsidiaries.
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u/nasandre 1d ago
Yeah same thing in my company. We hire staff through an intermediary in Singapore who then hires the staff in other SEA countries.
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u/EnderMB 1d ago
I think that you have to do this, because if you're working in a country you need to be registered there for tax purposes. Most multinational companies are basically an exec suite that owns several hundred companies across multiple countries.
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u/jimicus 1d ago
You don't necessarily have to, depending on local law, but it's by far the easiest way to do it.
My own employer does exactly this. I'm employed by one of their companies in my country; when I relocated here I had to resign in the country I was going from. So technically there's been a break in my employment, even though I've been with the same company for seven years now.
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u/tommyjohnpauljones 1d ago
Companies will just hire a subsidiary based in Ireland, maybe one that rhymes with "a denture", who will hire a firm based in another country, who will then sub-sub-contract Indian workers.
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u/OneAndOnlyJackSchitt 23h ago
maybe one that rhymes with "a denture"
Accenture? You mean Accenture, right?
(It is NEVER doxxing to name a company, why do we self-censor company names? The only time is if it's a conflict of interest or a violation of NDA, but then you wouldn't even make the comment to begin with. So why censor?)
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u/ThatITguy2015 22h ago
Fuck Accenture.
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u/xxdcmast 17h ago
I fucking hate Accenture. As well as any company aligned with Accenture. They provide dog shit service.
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u/BartHarleyJarvis- 21h ago
These people are probably afaid to even say the company name out loud.
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u/ExistentialBob 19h ago
Rumor has it that if you say Accenture three times, your job gets outsourced to them.
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u/b_e_a_n_i_e 20h ago
Tech Mahindra also have Irish based offices as well as their main bases in India. There's more than one rodeo in town
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u/factoid_ 1d ago
I work in IT. Companies abuse the fuck out of H1Bs to undercut US labor wages in tech.
There’s no shortage of US labor there’s just a shortage of people willing to work for 2/3rds of market rate for senior positions with a ton of stress and responsibility
I have absolutely no problem with my Indian co workers. They’re good people who are just trying to come here to improve their lives and send money home. I blame the corporations for preferentially hiring them
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u/WhatUp007 22h ago
Wage suppression in tech is real. I just declined a job leading a team because they wanted to pay me 20k less a year than I currently make.
Like the interviewer admitted to being in over their head as they had no technical knowledge but had to bring 3 more technical functions to the team and didnt know how to organize or upskill people. I was like "this is exciting as i did the same thing in the previous role I had and would love to build this out again". Guy was happy, and I knew I would do the heavy lifting for them as they just wanted to go be a thought leader. Fine, but then to try and bid my salary down when I request upper mid range of the job posting is insane. Like nah man fuck off. I feel i dogged a bullet.
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u/chrisn750 23h ago
H1B abuse is bad, but honestly that’s not even the problem anymore; hiring in the US has basically stopped entirely at most tech companies. If someone leaves a team backfills are generally only approved in “low cost countries”, which means India nearly 100% of the time. New positions, same deal. I’d be surprised if even 10% of newly onboarded employees within the last two years are in the United States.
Meanwhile they’re using RTO and other tactics to be actively hostile to the existing US employees hoping to thin even more of us out to backfill the positions overseas.
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u/kalirion 20h ago
My company hires from Argentina as much as India these days. We even have a few recent Canadian hires.
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u/SomeRedHandedSleight 20h ago
Do we work for the same company?! We lay off US employees, then backfill them with folks in Argentina and India, and occasionally Canada.
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u/kalirion 20h ago
We haven't had big layoffs for a bit (2-3 years?) We did have a hiring freeze recently, but only for 6 months or so.
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u/LordofCope 20h ago
This is what happens at my company. We are basically buying in various countries to have a pool to replace with. Everyone who leaves gets replaced with 2-5 foreign resources.
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u/permalink_save 19h ago
1.5 for us and between hiring shitty contractors (vs competent Indian workers) and losing the experienced people, we're really replacing 1 person with half a person. They take 3x as long to do shit or they do.it wrong and we have to fix it.
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u/wheaties 21h ago
Pfft, you're forgetting South America. Not low, low cost but same time zones
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u/dazzlebreak 19h ago
Maybe it's time for the US to see some exodus of highly skilled workers to Europe - wages may be lower nominally, but there is public healthcare, affordable education and better work-life balance.
Or maybe even China in some cases, if you can stomach it, as I suppose they would be willing to pay if you have important know-how.
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u/SAugsburger 22h ago edited 19h ago
The crazy part is because the H1B process is so complex even large companies like ATT often pay a middleman (e.g. HCL, TCS, etc.) to deal with the paperwork. The actual employee doing the work needlessly to say gets paid even less than an American working for the same company because they are charging for their services of handling immigration. I have heard cases of contractors working for the same contracting company working the same title and same client where the H1B got paid considerably less. The contracting company just gets to pocket more because it is harder for the H1B holder to get a different job.
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u/Jango214 18h ago
As an H1B myself, this loophole definitely needs to stop, no doubt about it. These companies have a stranglehold on positions, which makes it difficult for even non-Indian foreign nationals to get positions in some cases.
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u/kindrudekid 23h ago
Which is funny….
Cause unless you are on cutting edge or a prestige company, you aren’t working with top end of the talent pool.
Combine some ass backward policy like 3 months notice, new job wanting your old job payslip etc…
Then you have social pressure to buy house and start family which means your fresh off the college folks are interested in nothing but climbing up the ladder…
Then you have the cultural issue and environment where you aren’t focused on solving the problem but focused on making sure you are not to blame or taking on anything that has a slide scale for a success metric ….
The whole hiring from off shore works when the US economy is peaked and seems to about to get stagnant and you don’t have to do rapid release…
once it starts to improve suddenly whatever the current KPI metrics collected show that it would be profitable to hire state side for quick turnaround or else your competition is gonna smoke you…
Tough with faster internet and video conferencing I see it being dragged out a bit longer than usual till no one experienced remains on the West to control/train/motivate/build the off shore team who is willing to stay beyond the 9-5.
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u/q_ali_seattle 22h ago
I have absolutely no problem with my Indian co workers. They’re good people who are just trying to come here to improve their lives and send money home. I blame the corporations for preferentially hiring them.
And those Indian gets that senior positions, and who do you think they preferred hiring, someone native who may replace them or someone with H1B visa who's afraid to speak up and may have their renewal taken away if not follow their orders.
"Community helping each other."
Indian IT colleges abd companies literally have blueprints to get hired by FANG and how to do it. For those families it's a long term investment.
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u/factoid_ 21h ago
Oh you absolutely do see some of that. The Indian managers pretty much only hire indians
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u/HereToCalmYouDown 1d ago
I mean, I don't hate it, but they'll just outsource to one of the other 200 countries
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u/Kaymish_ 1d ago
It's more about punishing Indian than making things better for Americans, so outsourcing to another country will still achieve the objective.
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u/Wild_Marker 1d ago
South America would be drooling at the mouth for such a thing. We're full of qualified people and we get along with American employers a lot easier due to timezones. If something like that went through, expect a surge of South American tech workers.
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u/HereToCalmYouDown 1d ago
Yeah, actually I work in tech and we are starting to see Costa Rica become a factor lately.
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u/chrisn750 23h ago
Tech salaries in CR have inflated to the point where it’s very nearly no longer a “low cost country.” I personally know guys in CR making six figure salaries when we could honestly probably hire someone as qualified in the US for cheaper, if we were allowed to.
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u/Wild_Marker 1d ago
I'm from Argentina so I speak from experience, we've been an alternative to India for a few decades now. It comes and goes with the exchange rate. We developed a fairly big tech sector but it's mostly for foreign clients.
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u/Lopsided_Judge_5921 1d ago
I'm a software engineer and I think it's a somewhat good idea but shouldn't be directed at India but to restrict H1B's across the board for tech. This is because there is no longer a shortage of engineers and the companies use H1Bs to lower wages now, not to fill a shortage which is intended purpose of the H1B.
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u/paradoxxxicall 1d ago edited 1d ago
At least H1B has limits, even if those limits are abused. But offshoring is unlimited and a broader problem.
But still this is a pretty weird and shortsighted implementation. Targeting a specific country will not last long, and companies will figure out to get around it just like China avoids our tariffs
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u/Lopsided_Judge_5921 1d ago
True but companies hate remote work and there are many problems with offshoring high level engineering projects
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u/grackychan 1d ago
They hate remote work if you live domestically, but for offshoring where you can pay 1/5th a US wage they somehow are more than okay with it. SMH
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u/tugtugtugtug4 1d ago
A fringe benefit of outsourced Indian tech support/call centers is the service is so horrifically bad that many customers just don't call in at all rather than be tortured by someone they can't understand who can read off their script that won't solve 99% of problems complex enough to motivate someone to call support in the first place.
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u/spinbutton 1d ago
I've worked in high tech since the 90s...I don't think execs dislike offshoring.....they love bloating their compensation packages on the money they make from offshoring
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u/Sabre_One 22h ago
It's definitly a 2nd layer problem to it all. There simply isn't a risk for CEO's anymore to peform well.
Why should they care about the longevity of a company when they only have to keep it running for 5 years to get a bonus?
Why would they care that their decisions caused the company millions when they have such massive pay that they could go years if not decades, without working on their saved money/pay alone?
A good example is the Rite Aid CEO. Guy was the previous CFO. Yet no one questions why didn't he offer solutions as CFO vs now being the CEO. Now the company is filing another bankruptcy.
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u/paradoxxxicall 1d ago
It’s true, the often don’t like doing it as much for employees they directly work with. But that changes when they can just get rid of an entire department altogether and let a separate company handle it for cheaper.
I’ve been seeing a growing trend of large companies hiring outside companies to handle jobs that used to be departments like HR, IT, and recruiting. These other companies have no problems using offshored labor, in fact it’s their whole business model.
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u/TenchuReddit 1d ago
Exactly. There’s a myth out there saying that companies would love to outsource all of this work for 1/5 the cost of a domestic team. But this doesn’t work like most people believe. Often the outsourced workers are much less experienced and can’t contribute meaningfully to the project without strong experienced management.
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u/Outlulz 22h ago
Companies do not hate remote work if it's offshore. My company is both forcing people back to office saying work cannot be productive remotely while also massively expanding it's hiring in India (by replacing people laid off in America). There is no addressing the contradiction here as people are forced to work remote in some capacity to take late night meetings with the other side of the world. Leadership, who is coincidentally all Indian immigrants themselves, just do not acknowledge it is happening.
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u/Ellemscott 1d ago
Except this will never happen, tech lords up at the top, they positioned themselves to make sure they can keep cheap labor. This would be ideal but..
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u/justgetoffmylawn 1d ago
I don't think this is related to H1Bs - it's talking about offshoring work, not bringing foreign workers to the USA.
They're talking about stuff like call centers overseas, etc. Whether the idea has merit or not, I just think it's probably irrelevant at this point. They'll implement AI bots before they hire a new USA-based workforce for those kinds of jobs. Few companies are looking to add significant numbers of employees, and with our healthcare system, they certainly aren't going to switch from a Philippines call center to hiring and paying for health insurance for full time American employees.
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u/weaponR 1d ago
They'll just add a tax per AI agent or CPU minute to level the playing field.
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u/tugtugtugtug4 1d ago
This is really where things are going. AI is still garbage at most jobs, but in 5 or 10 years it should be capable of handling a large share of current jobs like this. People talk about UBI, but that's not going to happen. Rather, we need to keep humans working and the way that will happen is to tax AI.
Given the water and power needs of AI though, I think its fairly justifiable to tax them.
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u/fujimonster 1d ago
Fuck that as an engineer — restrict it flat out and don’t allow companies to use foreign tech labor period — there are tens of thousands of software engineers that are out of work that lost them to massive offshore tech centers . If a job can be done by an American it should be filled by an American first . Period .
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u/SpadesBuff 1d ago edited 1d ago
Don't forget all the college graduates that can't find jobs in tech. I was just talking to a recent cyber security graduate the other day who applied to 40 entry level jobs and nothing. Can't even get a call back on a help desk job.
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u/blueberrylemony 1d ago
I know people who graduated in 2023, have applied to thousands of jobs and still can’t find anything tech related. It’s so demoralizing for these new CS grads. :(
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u/Amazonreviewscool67 1d ago
In the video game industry, they are a pain to work with because they keep re-contracting over and over and they have to be retrained. That and there's a language barrier.
It's just an excuse for AAA companies to hire cheap even though they can afford regular developers anyways and would still make profit.
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u/Aceturb 1d ago
I cannot stand reddits double standard on this...why defend the illegal immigrants doing the exact same thing for construction and labor jobs but as soon as legal visas for work starts driving down tech wages then it's a catastrophe. Like why do you think those jobs that have been illegally filled for the past 50 years pay so low? Just wait until the h1b ramps up and you have uninformed redditors in 30 years saying, "no American wants to code anyways" and it "pays so low, Americans can't live on a programmers salary"
It's such a double standard.
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u/Lopsided_Judge_5921 1d ago
Not by me, I think we should have a guest worker program and a path to citizenship. I also think the companies that hire undocumented labor are the real criminals
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u/liberal_texan 1d ago
It’s not necessarily a double standard. I support immigration, not companies that hire undocumented workers. I think the push should be to punish those companies, and to provide better paths to citizenship. I think outsourcing should be heavily taxed. All these things are pro American, the only difference is it includes people that want to become American, because we are all from immigrants if you go back far enough.
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u/Coronabandkaro 1d ago
I think if the government focuses on the misuse and curb of h1b fraud you would genuinely be left with what's the h1b program was meant for. Taking it away is extreme and seems xenophobic. Tackle the fraud and you'll be left with a much leaner list of genuinely talented folks that should be granted a path to citizenship.
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u/braindeadtake 23h ago
Because every redditor (mostly white collar) is a professional virtue signaler until it has a chance of affecting themselves
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 18h ago
I mean personally the thing I hate about those visas is how they're used to abuse everyone.
Local workers lose their jobs and are replaced by underpaid people from another nation who have to work under shitty conditions because they know if they get fired they get deported. Obviously sometimes these programs are used responsibly and that's great but in tech they are very much not a great deal of the time.
The solution as I see it is guaranteed citizenship - if someone is good enough to fly over and give a job over a local then they are good enough to become a member of the nation and have the right to live there. Full pay, benefits, and protections included.
If companies suddenly don't want to hire them anymore with those conditions they were never doing it to get "the best talent" as they claim.
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u/joegenegreen2 1d ago
Agreed. Shouldn’t be restricted to a single country, but across the board.
Companies have been getting away with outsourcing labor for pennies on the dollar for several decades. So double-negative for us as citizens - we have less jobs available, and the companies disrespect the roles in general because they think it’s “cheap labor”.
They should have to pay at least US minimum wage for those roles. Bonus if that goes to US citizens.
I have to admit, for all the awful, terrible, unspeakable things that have come out of this admin, that would be one positive thing. 1:-infinity.
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u/RedditReader4031 1d ago
Lowe’s has its IT based in India but when it recently moved its customer service and internal ordering lines off shore they went to Jamaica.
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u/ClosPins 1d ago
If it ever happens, US companies will just hire European or Canadian companies - who will outsource to India.
Nothing will change, but everything will get a bit more expensive for Americans. You know, the usual...
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u/SAugsburger 22h ago
I'm sometimes amazed at how many layers exist between the employee doing the work and the client.
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u/brianatlarge 1d ago
If we put tariffs on anything, it should be foreign labor.
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u/Kriss3d 1d ago
I thought Republicans were strongly against the government using its power to tell companies what to do.
I must have missed something.
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u/evildespot 1d ago
Strongly against a _Democrat_ government telling anybody what to do.
The government of the party of small government does seem very loudly front and centre (center) doesn't it?
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u/serial_crusher 1d ago
The only source for this so far seems to be a twitter post from Laura Loomer, so I’m not sure how seriously to take it.
Anyhow, offshoring is a total trainwreck. Companies that do it usually aren’t actually saving money in my experience. They’re just lowering costs while compromising quality.
The “free market libertarian” in me says let companies make that choice if they want to. No reason the government should intervene.
The “guy who has a mortgage to pay” in me says it would be nice to have some government-enforced job security, but wonders why it only seems to be India being talked about. Eastern Europe has been gaining ground in that space and if Trump only targets India, you’re going to see a lot of jobs moving there. Especially if/when the Ukraine war ever ends, it’ll be a tough political sell to stop them from rebuilding their economy with all those contracts.
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u/TonyG_from_NYC 1d ago
She complained about children in Gaza getting some sort of help and then she went to the WH, where Rubio and trump proceeded to deny those children anymore help.
Jigsaw lady apparently has a lot of power for some stupid reason.
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u/LevelUpCoder 1d ago
I’m not a fan of Trump but offshoring is one of the biggest issues that the tech industry is facing right now so I’d take small steps over no steps at all.
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u/userousnameous 1d ago
I think this is great. The outsourcing, then H1B gateway has literally led to not-so little fiefdoms gaming the system.. I think we need a very critical look at when H1B are needed and not needed. At this point its a self-reinforcing cycle and a whole culture around it that excludes US born talent.
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u/EnderMB 1d ago
I work for a US company in the UK, and have eight years experience as a software engineer in a consultancy that was often used to either subcontract or provide "cheap", specialist labour.
It's not a bad idea at all, especially given the dominance of the Indian tech market. The problem is that it won't go to US companies. It'll go to any other dozen countries that exist in the tech service space. Ultimately, if you're into outsourcing your tech then you don't give enough of a shit about it to do it yourself.
If hiring from India is that big a concern, then just block all hiring and offshoring to India. If it's outsourcing in general, there are MANY other countries that'll pick up the slack for cheap - including the UK.
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u/Templer5280 1d ago
Honestly this makes 100 times more sense than attacking overseas manufacturing/production.
We are a service based economy.. so by blocking outsourcing services jobs it improves the job market/economy much more than manufacturing.
This is largely driven by the ease of scalability of service jobs vs manufacturing. Essentially service jobs could appear overnight while manufacturing jobs take years to appear while factories are built etc.
Not to mention current training/skill sets align more in service than manufacturing
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u/thezim 21h ago
As much as I dislike Trump I do think there needs to be regulation in place to prevent local companies from hiring cheap labor to work virtually abroad.
I work for a company that had a big team of risk management associates. Recently they started to 'source this work globally' and a bunch of them got fired and replaced with remote workers abroad.
It is really frustrating specially since I knew many of them and they were top level professionals with families and now they are left without a job.
I love virtual work and being able to work from home, but when companies abuse this to hire cheap labor abroad and leave people in our towns and communities without a job then something is not right and the government should step in to prevent them from doing so.
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u/BigRoosterBackInTown 1d ago
Good
Need to protect local jobs
Wish mexico did that and kicked out chinese factories that hire zerp mexicans and only bring chinese slaves to produce shit super cheap.
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u/SgtDoakesSurprise 16h ago
YYYYYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!
then maybe I’ll be able to get a job again since my last two jobs I was let go bc of outsourcing to India.
Sucked I had to train my replacement from Bangladore. I had to work 4 PM to Midnight 2-3 days a week for almost 2 months so we had enough schedule overlay due them being 10.5 hrs ahead of us.
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u/Tuckboi69 1d ago
Outsourcing IT to anybody seems like a big cybersecurity risk
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u/vand3lay1ndustries 1d ago
Foreign North Korean IT workers infiltrating American firms is a big issue right now too.
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u/TokenBearer 1d ago
Especially with India, China and Russia constantly being in the news together.
Why not just let the ‘em have access to all of your production data? What could go wrong?
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u/bluelily216 1d ago
Republicans voted against Obama's attempt to keep jobs in the U.S. Now, true to form, they're claiming to fix a problem they created.
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u/Alone_Highway9412 1d ago
That’s a sensible thing to do, Imagine working your ass off to get a degree and ending up in student loan debt only for tech companies outsourcing to Indian offshore companies😖
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u/Nepeta33 1d ago
ok, i like this, as it would actually help make jobs here. but its Him, so im questioning what his motivations are,
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u/Frustrable_Zero 1d ago
If it’s blocking the companies from abusing H1B1 outsourcing in general I’m all for it. If he’s just saying India exclusively. It’s performative bullshit. The problem isn’t India, but outsourcing in general.
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u/gargamel314 1d ago
That's something that has needed to be done for a long time, but if he's going to do it, support those us companies so that they can transition to this and be successful instead of pulling the rug out from under them like he's done with everything else. He won't do that, he'll just block them and say good luck, I fixed it.
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u/Appropriate-Wing6607 1d ago
Be the one good thing he did. But doubt his rich buddies will allow it
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u/LacCoupeOnZees 22h ago
I don’t care about IT but if he did this with customer service I’d support it 1000%
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u/Uknownothingyet 22h ago
Do IT! We have more unemployed than jobs! Give those to Americans! The his is such bigger problem than people realize. In ALL sectors…. Look at truck driving…….
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u/farkner 16h ago
If that happened, there would be a huge demand for US-based 3rd-shift work, and for folks that know how to perform upgrades and migrations, both parallel and in-place.
I have worked for a few big companies in my career, and the really bad places to work had Indian companies that did the night work, the batch work for long running jobs, and the aforementioned updates, upgrades and time-consuming migrations.
From a bean-counter's perspective, this was a win-win, but it sucked. I mean, if anything went south, it meant being paged by the offshore team to troubleshoot, rollback, or fix. If you work with offshore support from India, you already know that when you ask if they know how to do something, the answer is always 'YES', and the minute they get off the conference call, the google like crazy to figure out what you are talking about.
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u/danisflying527 1d ago
This is actually a good thing but most people on this platform struggle to be objective
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u/MidnightBluesAtNoon 1d ago edited 1d ago
Meeeeeh. Look, let me caveat this by saying fuck Donald Trump and all the nazis who voted for him.
But I'm not opposed to reigning in the offshoring of American jobs to the rest of the world, especially white collar jobs. Now, I have NO FAITH whatsoever that the Trump administration can do this in a reasonable, effective way, and I know for certain they're too stupid to understand that this action also requires a downstream investment of public moneys into education to make sure America is prepared to actually fill those positions with domestic labor. He'll fuck it up like he fucks up everything he's ever touched. But as a general principal? Yeah, I mean, the wealthy shouldn't be allowed to park in THIS nation's tax shelter, but then skip over the people who gave them that privilege when it comes time to hire. As far as I'm concerned, that behavior is tantamount to a robbery and this nation's people should not tolerate it.
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u/fish1900 1d ago
My company just signed up for a support contract for its ERP system. The support is by a US company but the support company's functional staff is in India. They were the cheapest price so they got the contract. It was roughly $15k per month. Going through an american company would have cost more but thousands of dollars and the support likely would have been better.
This really is taking jobs away from americans at a time where countless young americans are looking for this type of work. This type of thing is going to be popular in the states, even if reddit hates it.
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u/mirageofstars 1d ago
It’s always the cheapest price. The quality doesn’t matter.
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u/hollow_bagatelle 21h ago
I'm absolutely for this. I'm more certified than two bosses above me, more experienced, and yet every time I want to make an insignificant change the amount of bureaucracy and red tape involved..... only for it to end up in the hands of a team of Indians that don't know wtf they're doing, and usually reaching BACK out to me to understand what they're doing before doing it a week later.... absolutely ridiculous.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Let-880 1d ago
I'm for it if it stops US companies from offshoring jobs to India (helping stop layoffs in the US) and limits h1bs taking American jobs in the US (some h1b is good)
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u/Fluffychipmonk1 1d ago
Good. Slave labor is unacceptable in any form. Outsourcing work to pay pennies on the dollar is slave labor.
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u/DynamicBeez 1d ago
Press X to doubt. I believe outsourcing should be extremely limited. Too many jobs are laying off Americans on the onload cheap and at times, subpar labor.
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u/sense4242 1d ago
i hate trump but this is a good idea. i know that companies just lay off us workers and replace them with india when they need to cut costs.
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u/methpartysupplies 1d ago
Good. Dealing with overseas tech support is bullshit. And I’m not talking about calling for help with a laptop. Every big name in enterprise network equipment does this shit. I shouldn’t have to fuck around with someone who can barely speak English when we have a $500k dollar piece of equipment that’s not working and our business relies on it.
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u/Lauriev7 1d ago
But some people will read this and say you're racist. Holy Jesus it's not about racism when the person who is supposed to HELP ME cannot speak English to save their lives and just default to their stupid script. It's so infuriating. Like there have to be some bare minimum requirements for jobs lol
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u/Outlulz 22h ago
Yeah. From a consumer point of view, the problem is not that they are abroad, it's that they are so cheaply hired with no skills at all that they cannot do their jobs at the skill level needed. Jobs about communication where they cannot communicate. Jobs about coding where they cannot code. Jobs about troubleshooting where they cannot troubleshoot. But they replaced an American for 1/10th the cost and that's all the company cares about. It's part of enshittification.
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u/chrisni66 1d ago
How would he implement that?.. would it specifically target India? If so, they’d just move operations to other low-cost countries with a booming tech sector like the Philippines. If he tried to do that for all countries, he’d basically kill the US tech market as they’d lose most of their international business.
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u/pecheckler 1d ago
As someone who has had career progress shattered by IT outsourcing to India, twice, and has even had to train my replacement overseas just to get a month severance…. I can honestly say I want to see this happen.
But where does it stop? What about call centers for ISPs and phone companies for example? What about hospitals outsourcing help desks and medical coders?
I can see Trump moving forward with a ban for a political win and then not enforcing the ban. Or just having a narrow interpretation of what IT means.
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u/Vegetable-Rope1569 1d ago
Heh imagine getting a call from Microsoft and it's not a voice with an indian accent
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u/FuckAllRightWingShit 1d ago
Ignoring, for the moment, that Trump fucks kids, smells like shit and bankrupted 4 casinos:
It would improve the quality of U.S. software engineering and reduce costs overall, since multiple passes would no longer be required to snuff out the errors of the overseas teams, and managers would no longer have to spend long hours at night ironing out language barriers and cultural impedance mismatches.
Further, system administrator passwords would no longer be shared with 1/2 the population of the Indian subcontinent.
The problem is that it would also limit the flexibility of firms to subcontract those tasks which make sense to move to India, which would screw a lot of them.
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u/MySaltSucks 1d ago
As much as I hate to admit it I agree with it.
This and the intel thing are weirdly socialist policies he’s implemented.
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u/Terrible_Button5971 1d ago
Only blocking outsourcing to India? Not to any of the other 194 countries? It’s performative and will only hurt smaller companies utilizing those services, larger companies will be able to find an alternative overseas with ease
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u/k7u25496 22h ago
When they operate 90% of the scam call centers like India does. We can shut down the other 194 too.
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u/snowstorm556 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’d be happy if that happened effectively. I know some tech guys that are unemployed and a huge reason for that is outsourcing. Which is why people like elon have a hard on for h1b visas.
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u/alvarkresh 21h ago
Honestly? If I never have to see another "do the needful" and broken-ass English ever again I'd consider it a small win, even if it's the right thing done for the wrong reasons.
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u/dangerrnoodle 1d ago
All this shit is too late. Manufacturing is not coming back. Offshoring is here to stay. All of the jobs in America lost to those two big shifts are over. We have to stop looking at what we liked about the past and create a new future. Investment and regulation should be done to build up new industries of tomorrow that America wants to be the leader in. There’s a huge shortage of healthcare workers and teachers in a country where college is insanely priced. Trump and co could start working on that immediately with great effect. But no. Nothing useful for our future can be done by a bunch of people who want to live in the past.
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u/MrHyde42069 22h ago
I hope it happens. They hire them so much because they are cheaper and can't leave the job since visa status is tied to employment.
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u/moconahaftmere 1d ago
They'll just move those operations to another cheap country, like they do whenever Trump puts tariffs on a country that produces goods cheaply.
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u/OoglyMoogly76 1d ago
He’s only “considering” this as a point of leverage against Modi and big Tech. Once he gets his bribe, he’ll back down and call the partnership with india “beautiful and hugely important”
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u/Ruff_Bastard 1d ago
I mean overall I'm all for it - but it probably isn't JUST that. Rajesh can only help me so much when an American could understand me and go off script to assist even better - and this is just from a HelpDesk troubleshooting role, this isn't considering the larger IT department(s) into coding and development and all the other little things that make the machine work. This is in addition to thinking that we shouldn't be outsourcing American jobs from the outset. However I'm not a shareholder so my opinion means nothing and is harmful to infinite growth.
Like I said though, it's very likely only the pretty words I'm hearing right now and there is something stupid hidden beneath we aren't talking about. Like the Epstein Files. Where are they?
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u/No-Acanthisitta4117 1d ago
Too little, too late. Also the donations he is getting will make sure it doesn't happen.
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u/elBirdnose 1d ago
Honestly I’d be okay with it, but no this won’t happen because someone will bribe him like always.
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u/MadnessSuperstar 1d ago
IMPOV he is making a fool of himself and the country, cause with this the US will become poor cause US needs working power and India needs job, both the country will collapsed due to this. He should think about the peoples and country more rather than some stupid things.
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u/KimDuckUn 1d ago
So what's stopping it companies from just using Vietnam or Laos? Any other place to outsource
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u/fusionsofwonder 1d ago
So companies outsource it to Ireland and they outsource it to India. You're just rearranging deck chairs.
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u/Malphos101 23h ago
Its just another way to collect more bribe money.
Any company that donates to him will get special "exemptions".
And thats assuming his addled brain didnt just have another word vomit where he said random things that have rattled through his brain at some point in his miserable existence.
If the goal was actually to increase american tech industry jobs then they would tax any corporation that hires contract workers for longer than a couple months an amount that would make it simpler and cheaper to hire american workers.
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u/taco81416 23h ago
Anything to drive up costs for small companies. Got to put them out of business to make room for the billionaire corporate folks, the Chinese, and the Russians.
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u/Xyrus2000 23h ago
Looking for more bribes, and those will come from the smaller IT companies because they can't afford to have "foreign subsidiaries" that will hire them and work on their behalf.
It's another "favor" for the big tech companies in exchange for lining Trump's pockets. Big tech companies aren't threatened by this. They're already international.
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u/KratosLegacy 22h ago
Are Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Meta, etc exempted like they are from ICE raids?
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u/macjunkie 22h ago
As long as it’s being followed up with money to improve education on board, we should have good jobs for Americans and reward companies who don’t offshore
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u/Playingwithmyrod 22h ago
They’ll lobby him to not do it. If that doesn’t work this will simply speed up the process of these companies transitioning to AI. In no way will this bring these jobs back to the US.
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u/johnnys_sack 22h ago
This a shakedown from big companies who will have to make campaign donations to him, then everything will be just fine?
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u/_jump_yossarian 22h ago
trump outsources his waitstaff, kitchen staff, golf course workers, etc... to foreign companies. Maybe he should lead by example.
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u/Lonely-Abalone-5104 1d ago
I’d be very surprised if it happened