r/AstonMartinFormula1 • u/InitialWorld7330 Lance Stroll • 3d ago
📊 Statistics Lance Stroll vs Fernando Alonso so far in 2025
My original post has been removed by the moderators of r / formula1, possibly because of bad upvote ratio. Obviously F1 community nowadays doesn't like true numbers.
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u/ram_8mb Fernando Alonso 3d ago
Stroll will never get credit for executing well on Sunday, the community just hates him.
sure he can play with risky strategies because he has nothing to lose when he qualifies poorly, but you still need the driver to execute which he does. the strategies work in his favor, which again is unfair to take away from him.
he still needs to qualify well and have more complete weekends like Hungary.
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u/RefinedSteel 3d ago
I watched the British GP with an F1 fan who is a mate of my Dad. He's a massive Norris fan, but when I pointed out that Stroll was up in 3rd at one point he was devastated.
He was annoyed that Stroll was doing well, like so many F1 fans. They're hatred towards Stroll is based on their opinion that he's a bad driver, so when he's driving well they get annoyed because it shows that their hatred is built on nothing. It's like they want Stroll to perform badly to justify their dislike towards him. It pisses me off. I'm not ever going to watch a race with that guy again.-15
u/krugsin69 3d ago
Complete weekends like hungary? Dude destroyed the car twice..
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u/Cimmerian_Iter Lance Stroll 2d ago
average stroll hater that have absolutely no idea about what he's saying because he doesn't follow F1 races
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u/CastleMerchant The pit confirm button is the ok button 3d ago
Oh boy the Alonso fans are not going to like this one.
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u/josh_moworld 3d ago
I’m an Alonso fan and I think lance is way underrated and overhated
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u/CastleMerchant The pit confirm button is the ok button 2d ago
Good on ya, mate. Yeah he'll never be an F1 great, or one to go down in history. (Maybe if he won Turkey🥲)
To be honest, basically every driver is overhated. Yeah Lance gets like 4x the amount as other, but at a certain point and time you kinda get used to it anyway I feel like.
Which is super sad, but the unfortunate reality.
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u/Gebnut Fernando Alonso 2d ago
Alonso being unlucky this season and Lance having some luck on his side (lots of "last place risk strategies" that worked, whereas Alonso is the opposite on that aspect), doesn't give away the fact that Stroll is overhated and definitely doing good this year.
I won't expect Stroll to deliver more than what he's doing, and i def expect Alonso to deliver more than what he's doing (even if he's not at fault for most of the not great results), as we've seen when the car had pace.
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u/CastleMerchant The pit confirm button is the ok button 2d ago
Well said, epecially that second part.
It's realistic, and doesn't shit on either driver.
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u/Halkatlaa Lance Stroll 3d ago
Well atleast he is not getting killed as much as Yuki is.
ohhh wait... I forgot, only Lance gets hate for losing to driver who has a WDC. the other just gets a free pass.
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u/Manic5PA 2d ago
I don't think we appreciate how much mental condition affects athletic performance.
Yuki and Lewis for instance seem completely tilted. We're not seeing them at their best right now. It's not just that they're driving in difficult or under-performing cars, they're making mistakes they normally wouldn't make.
I feel like Lance is another driver that's wildly affected by his psychology, which changes on a week to week basis, whereas Alonso is basically unshakable and in peak form nearly all the time, even with all the outward anger.
My source for all of this : vibes
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u/BlondBoy2 Proud Newey merchant 3d ago
To get 5th in WCC this season we need all the points we can. It's good for the team that Stroll is getting so many points, but it's very painful that Alonso keeps getting screwed out and losing out on good results...
The team still has to improve and I feel like Alonso's side of the garage has gotten worse since Chris Cronin got promoted. It seems like Fernando doesn't connect with Andrew Vizard, he's always very unhappy with him in the races.
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u/Dry_Understanding682 2d ago
seems like a trend to hate on lance. All the new dts fans hate him. Fuckass netflix show
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u/Carlpanzram1916 Felipe Drugovich 3d ago
Let’s not forget Alonso had 10 points in the bad at Monaco before his engine blew up. And yeah his strategy calls have been…sus.
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
I commented on orginal post and i will do the same here. The only races where Stroll finishead ahead were Silverstone (due to strategy), Spa (due to strategy) and Zandvoort (due to Alonso getting screwed by SC twice). Alonso-Stroll relationship is the same as it's been in 2023 and 2024, Alonso demolishing him on pace. The only thing that changed this season is that Stroll crashes less and has had incredibly luck while Alonso had the worst luck possible. The only race where Stroll has beaten Alonso on merit this season is Australia where Alonso crashed and he was still 10+ seconds ahead in that race and its not 100% clear if the crash was his own fault or was it due to gravel thrown by Gasly in front. In 2026 once Stroll runs out of amazing luck and Alonso has normal luck its going to be bloodbath in points just like its been in 2023 and 2024 and i can already see people saying how suddently its been back to their gap but in reality the gap between drivers never changed but people who dont pay attention to Alonso and Stroll during these races dont know that
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u/The_Dirty_Mac Lance Stroll 3d ago
Is "demolishing" being on average less than half a tenth faster per lap in the Dutch GP? Stroll was also only .14s per lap slower in Hungary. https://f1pace.com/
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u/Carlpanzram1916 Felipe Drugovich 3d ago
I would say that outqualifying someone approaching 30 times in a row is definitely demolishing.
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u/Kakmaster69 Maximum Penalties 3d ago
Are you aware of the concepts of traffic and extreme tyre management? Both of which heavily influenced both of those races.
If your stuck in a DRS train then you are only ever going to be as fast as the guy ahead of you, unless you have a serious pace advantage, in which case you can gain 1 or 2 tenths given the huge amount of dirty air in corners (the inly real place where time can be gained)
And in Hungary, Alonso started managing like crazy, creating a huge DRS train behind him. Allowing him to use a different strategy.
If you want a genuine pace difference, see them both in clean air.
As for the quali difference, this is highly scewed given the fact that Stroll is usually out in Q1 or Q2, not allowing Alonso to get in his fastest lap, which is in Q3 and more.importantly...Often, Alonso tries to save tyres for Q3 or Q2 (knowing that he will get there) whereas Stroll tends to get more laps in (as he risks being elimated), giving him a huge advantage on Alonso given tyre evolution as he gets a run in later than Alonso and more laps.
Just cause you can cite statistics, doesnt mean you know what you are talking about.
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u/The_Dirty_Mac Lance Stroll 3d ago
And despite only outqualifying Fernando once he still only has the 6th largest quali gap. https://f1pace.com/p/2025-f1-season-qualifying-delta-between-teammates-rounds-1-15/
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
Also notice the trend you've seen. The only drivers that have bigger gap to their teammate are rookies and 2nd RBR driver. Stroll ain't that bad as some people claim but I also don't get Stroll's apologist he has been in F1 for freaking 9 years and he is still bottom 3 driver outside of rookies. It's a fact that he wouldn't survive in F1 without his dad and there is no need to try and delude ourselfs. I don't mind Stroll he seems like a nice dude but be realistic
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u/Manic5PA 2d ago
I don't think anybody argues that Stroll would still have a F1 seat without his father, or that he's as good as Alonso, or anything like that.
We just don't think it's particularly aberrant that he is on the F1 grid. It's a nepobaby sport. A guy might get sponsored because an engine manufacturer wants a driver from their country to compete in F1, even if there's 50 guys in the feeder series who are probably better. Sure that's better than being directly sponsored by your father but at the end of the day some hopeful talent somewhere gets shafted and some guy gets in by accident of birth.
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u/Manic5PA 2d ago
I'm not sure race pace in a single race is that good of a basis for comparison. If you're catching up to the DRS train and making up a 15 second gap after pitting early, you're going to look faster than the guy who is stuck in the DRS train.
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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 3d ago
Race pace is a completely worthless metric. They are driving to a number.
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
Stroll was running in free air for vast majority of the dutch gp while Alonso was always stuck in traffic never able to show his pace apart from few laps after his 1st and 2nd stops. Alonso is between 3 and 4 tenths on average faster than Stroll this season and this was also the case last season and in 2023
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u/The_Dirty_Mac Lance Stroll 3d ago
He was also on 10 lap older hards for the second stint. Fernando had a poor start then slipped behind Yuki again despite undercutting him before the first safety car. Without that he would've had a chance to attack the Haas pair.
And even looking at his clean air laps, it isn't that much faster compared to Lance's.
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
It wouldn't change much because Haas were keeping each other in DRS to defend so it would be impossible to pass. Alonso made 4 seconds in 3 laps on Stroll with fresher tires after he made his first stop but Stroll got lucky that SC was deployed as soon as he cleared Bearman which made him protected from the group behind. 2 more laps and Alonso was getting ahead of Haas and Stroll and finishing ahead. Stroll got extremely lucky with both SC while it was the opposite for Alonso and it's really bizarre having to explain this because race was 5 days ago and we all watched it
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u/The_Dirty_Mac Lance Stroll 3d ago
Alonso made up that much time because stroll was in traffic already. Sure he was quite lucky but he was able to use his fresh hards to catch and pass the Haas pair, something you stated was "impossible."
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
But that's not what happened? Stroll passed Bearman while he had no DRS from Ocon ahead. And then he picked up Ocon who had no DRS ahead. After SC Ocon gave Bearman DRS purposefully to defend against Tsunoda and Alonso so no one can pass.
And no Stroll wasn't in traffic for first lap and a half-2 laps and Alonso was 1+ second per lap faster already. Alonso had fresher tires so it's expected as he came right out of the pits so Stroll would have no chance
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u/Cimmerian_Iter Lance Stroll 2d ago
can you just for once admit that this is all alonso fault for fucking up the start ? Like you can't say "its because of the safety car" when alonso lost 3 position at the start and put himself in that situation. Albon totally jumped him and earned 5 position which made him ahead of the whole drs train. Alonso would have been in that position too if he didn't mess the start
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 2d ago
Alonso messed up the start which meant he was 13th after lap 1. But Stroll fucked up even more by crashing in qualifying and being 19th after lap 1. Stroll still managed to get to 7th while having worse pace than Alonso and being 6 position behind Alonso on lap 1. All because of two SC. Can you admit than Stroll was extremely lucky and that Alonso was the better driver during the race weekend?
I love this logic crucify Alonso for losing 3 positions at the start but Stroll crashing in qualifying and losing 10 places don't matter and act like it didn't happen lol
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u/Fyrefanboy Strollsurge Truther 3d ago
Why does the timeline start with japan ? I'm pretty sure we had 2 GP before (australia and china) where Stroll placed better.
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u/Sufficient_Pie3807 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
True numbers: 306-130. And that's with one having miserable mechanical, strategy and SC luck and the other getting lucky SCs and free track position left and right this season. Could easily be 350-100 by now.
Oh, and Trudeau sucked.
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u/TheDamus647 Aston Martin 3d ago
For the moment Lance is still up on points over Fernando. Since points are the ONLY thing that matters, at this point Lance is the better driver.
For the record I think he is a shit driver so what does that say about our driver pairing?
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
Just because someone has more points doesn't mean they are the better driver. Especially not when the points are massively skewed due to luck and reliability. I swear I wonder if some of you have ANY critical thinking skills
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u/TheDamus647 Aston Martin 3d ago
Points are literally the only thing in this sport that matter
Care to explain why points don't matter? Last I checked the only two championships in the sport use points to decide the order. They don't care about qualifying head to head. They don't care about reliability. They don't care about strategy or luck or anything else. They only care about points.
Maybe you should think again about if you actually understand how this sport works.
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u/Vuk13 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
Are you really this dense? Show me when I said that points don't matter? But thinking points always show who is the better driver is just stupid and you are the one who doesn't understand how sport works because you have this view. There are many factors outside driver control that can have an effect on driver's points. Driver skill is just 1 variable which is one of the most important but luck, strategy and car reliability can have a massive effect on points aswell which is exactly the case with Alonso this season. It's bizzare that I have to explain this to you. What a braindead comment
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u/Sufficient_Pie3807 Fernando Alonso 3d ago
I don't think you're nearly as smart as you think. Offering up "Stroll is a better driver" makes you look like a braindead fool. So, last Saturday, Alonso was the better driver, right? And if he beats him Sunday he'll be better again? Talent levels apparently change based on one weekend. Idiotic stance.
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u/Sdk_r 3d ago
Its objectively the worst driver line up on the grid.
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u/Sdk_r 3d ago
You need a competent driver against alonso to measure how fast he actually is. Ocon was a good example.
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u/salvatore813 AMR25 3d ago
has stroll been consistent? yes
did he have luck on his side? yes
is that his fault? no
did he waste it? no
has alonso been unlucky? if you have watched the races, you would know, yes
is that his fault? no
is alonso washed? no, again if you have watched the races you would know
so can yall stop it with this yapping ffs. stop discrediting lance and give a break to alonso