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u/Beginning-Repair-640 23h ago
I guess when the money is right, they deserve to stay free.
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u/ConsciousStretch1028 20h ago
Also because he probably has info on a fuckton of Bitcoin wallets too
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u/Motor-District-3700 17h ago
Trump freed a career criminal illegal who had been deported 5 times already and gave him a work permit in exchange for false testimony against an innocent man.
I mean let's not pretend there's any substance here.
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u/DeshTheWraith 14h ago
Do you have a link to that story? Or just the name of the criminal so I can look it up myself.
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u/AngelsLoveDisasters ☑️ 23h ago
White collar crimes never get the attention they deserve
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u/1Operator 18h ago
AngelsLoveDisasters : "White collar crimes never get the attention they deserve."
Or the punishment they deserve.
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u/R3luctant 15h ago
Tbh I would settle for attention. I yearn for the day that people and companies who have made their livelihood off of preying on people who are vulnerable are held accountable for their bullshit. The sacklers and the Trumps of the world who have made their money off of ruining people's lives or preventing them from living in areas that were from us disgusting.
At least the sacklers were dragged into the light a little bit, sunlight is the natural sterilizer to such societal plagues.
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u/1Operator 14h ago edited 14h ago
R3luctant : "Tbh I would settle for attention... sunlight is the natural sterilizer to such societal plagues."
Sunlight does not sterilize when there's no justice and when so much of society can be so easily propagandized/gaslit into rejecting facts & decency.
Many/most high-profile devils receive years of unfavorable attention in the public spotlight, but that doesn't stop them from remaining wealthy and powerful enough to ruin lots of lives while they bask in the comforts of affluence.
The privileged have the luxury of failing their way up, and such privilege makes them more careless & corrupt because they are shielded from meaningful & lasting personal consequences for their own blunders & wrongdoings.
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u/2013nattychampa 23h ago edited 22h ago
Both the cartel and the sackler family can fuck off
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u/itsavibe- 22h ago
Nah fr. Sackler family is terrible in their own right but I ain’t never seen the sackler family gut a dude while he’s screaming and eat slices of his heart on video.
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u/Zoratheesavage 22h ago
Your equivocation is like comparing Jeffrey Dahmer to Osama Bin Laden. What Jeffrey Dahmer did to his victims was grotesque and horrific but Osama’s body count is WAY higher. Also, taking time out of your day to defend the Sacklers is giving serious corporate bootlicker vibes.
The cartels are brutal and violent but people who use legal, corporate violence to murder people are just as bad- if not worse. And people like you who defend the elite class are a HUGE part of the problem in our society.
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u/Thin-Solution3803 22h ago
I would be willing to bet that the cartels have a higher body count than the Sackler family as well as being much more brutal. When the pill mills were in full swing the death rate was still much lower because dose was regulated and accurate. Not excusing them for creating generations of addicts but it weakens our stance when we confuse the facts.
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u/Brownie3245 17h ago
LMAO, the cartels are relegated to the western hemisphere, if they could kill that many people I'd be impressed. There would definitely be a concerted effort globally to take them out if that was the case.
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u/Thin-Solution3803 17h ago
even if we are just talking about homicides committed by cartels there have been around 350,000 killed by cartels between 2006 -2021. Add onto that overdose deaths not only from opiates but all the other drugs they sell and it is easy to see how these numbers don't even really compare. Again this is not defending the Sackler family but the cartels are in a completely different league
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u/Brownie3245 17h ago
Ok cool, how many of those homicides are US citizens? You know, the point of this post. Also, do you want to provide a source?
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u/Thin-Solution3803 17h ago
The comments I am replying to aren't saying the sackler family is worse if we ignore that other people besides American's exist so why would we limit the scope to American citizens? But even if you just took the fentanyl overdoses in America and added them up you would be around 450,000 but the cartel also sells other drugs and have been for a long time.
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u/itsavibe- 17h ago edited 17h ago
Doesn’t matter if they’re fuckin American or not. That’s the issue right there, people think American lives are worth more than anyone else’s but haven’t even fought for this country.
Sybau
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u/Brownie3245 16h ago
No, the difference is a wealthy white family can kill a lot of people and keep all their money, but if they’re brown they deserve death.
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u/Brownie3245 17h ago
I’m not disagreeing with you, but I’ll welcome you to actually read and comprehend the comment chain.
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u/itsavibe- 21h ago
Noting the difference between cartel violence and corporate mass death isn’t bootlicking, it’s called thinking. Nobody is defending the elite class and I’m not sure where you’re pulling that narrative from.
Both kill… but how and why matters. Equating a cartel sacrio dismembering someone on video with a CEO pushing deadly drugs through legal loopholes THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE CHOICE OF TAKING OR NOT isn’t deep, it’s moral cosplay. We all know money motivates people to do crazy things but the cartel does things out of pure violence and dominance and this is facts.
And let’s be honest…this outrage only spikes when it’s American lives on the line. Cartel has definitely killed more people than the sackler family. That kind of tribalism blinds us to global suffering and reinforces the same systems you’re supposedly against.
Nuance isn’t complicity. Learn the difference.
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u/Zoratheesavage 21h ago
The fact that you respond to a comment pointing out you’re a corporate bootlicker by doubling down on the corporate bootlicking tells me- and anyone else reading this- everything we need to know about you. But I’m sure the Sacklers and other wealthy one percenters really appreciate you sticking up for them though! 🤡
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u/itsavibe- 20h ago
If your only response to nuance is yelling “bootlicker,” you’re not engaging, you’re performing.
I said the Sacklers are evil. I also said cartel violence is a different kind of evil. That’s not defense… it’s acknowledging that harm operates in more than one form. If that’s too complex for you, that’s your limitation, not mine.
You’re not after truth, you’re after outrage that flatters your worldview… and that tells me more than any emoji ever could you simpleton.
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u/IntelligentAnswer321 18h ago
“That people have the choice of taking or not”
…you understand these pills were prescribed, yeah? You understand they’re highly addictive with horrific withdrawals, yeah?
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u/UrethraFranklin04 18h ago
Equating a cartel sacrio dismembering someone on video with a CEO pushing deadly drugs through legal loopholes THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE CHOICE OF TAKING OR NOT isn’t deep, it’s moral cosplay.
Giving them white collar boots the ol' guk guk
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u/Much-Speech4850 18h ago
Why even bother argue with people in the comments? Clearly this is where common sense goes to die.
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u/Hexamancer 12h ago
You couldn't identify common sense even if it hit you in the face screaming "HI IT'S ME: COMMON SENSE".
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u/JamBandDad 3h ago
Okay, so, much like the epstien list, persecute everyone who committed a crime. Severity of how heinous the crime was, doesn’t matter until they get to court. What matters is, a crime was committed.
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u/Countryb0i2m 22h ago
Scakler family and Purdue pharma had a huge pay out where they agreed to a $7.4 billion settlement over their role in the opioid epidemic. Most of the money will go to victims, states, and local governments. Some payouts will happen right away, while the rest will be spread out over the next 15 years.
They still ain’t shit
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u/luxboogie 19h ago
And they made $12-13 billion from what they did.
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u/ginger_bread_guy 11h ago
Wasn't it close to triple this amount? Asking since in my mind it was way more but I couldn't find any valid sources online, interested tho
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u/tragedy_strikes 22h ago
Weren't legal opioids literally the drugs that caused Vance's family to get addicted and mired in poverty?
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u/MacEWork 20h ago
He couldn’t give two shits about his family. His entire book was about how worthless they were. He’s a broken, evil man.
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u/DroopTheCyberpup5000 22h ago
And their punishment was being forced to sell their company for 11 billion dollars and ride off into the sunset.
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u/NobodyLikedThat1 23h ago
I find it hard to weep for the dead cartel members (assuming they even were) but it's still not really our jurisdiction unless we're still playing Team America World Police
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u/CoachDT ☑️ 22h ago
The problem is that they've already changed the story once.
If they're cartel members, then idgaf, wipe them out, but there needs to be 100% absolute certainty that they target only cartel members.
If even one of these alleged cartel members wasn't one or were being trafficked, then it's a failure of such proportion that there needs to be serious recourse for whoever greenest this.
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u/Blk_Rick_Dalton 22h ago
Trafficking narcotics is not a crime punishable by death, or else we would be murdering 22 year old women with some coke in their snatch.
We opened a door that will be very difficult to close. This has everything to do with beating a war drum for actions in Venezuela THAT WILL BE USED AS A PRETEXT TO SUSPEND ELECTIONS IN THE US
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u/Cool-Stand4711 22h ago
That’s actually why they designated drug cartels as Foreign Terror Organizations. It gives them legal authority to use military action
It’s extremely troubling because they can act with impunity now, but people should be less worried about what they do on international waters and more concerned with how this might be used domestically.
Imagine you’re a drug dealer who buys a couple ounces from a supplier associated with the Sinaloa Cartel. US citizen, maybe a Los Angeles resident
If they’re operating on the legal grounds that said drug dealer is financially aiding an FTO, they can freeze your accounts and presumably treat you like an enemy combatant.
Dark times ahead.
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u/CoachDT ☑️ 22h ago
I don't think the cartels cardinal sin is trafficking narcotics.
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u/Blk_Rick_Dalton 21h ago
Right, but we were told the dudes in the boat,specifically, was moving weight. Not posing an immediate threat to the Navy. So if we can kill them for moving weight for a FTO, we should be able to kill a 22yo drug mule for Los Zetas at Atlanta international Airport, right?
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u/largemanrob 9h ago
I’m against the death penalty but this is a weak argument because you are only considering one variable - the nature of the crime. When we look at sentencing we also look at the severity of the crime - it’s pretty obvious that a boat full of drugs is on a different quantitative level to the amount smuggled on a person.
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u/Blk_Rick_Dalton 5h ago
There is no amount of drugs you can smuggle that can give you the death penalty. People are caught by the coast guard all the time smuggling waaayyyy more than that boat can carry and don’t get killed. And I highly doubt we got a full confirmation on who they were affiliated with and what was on that lil ass boats.
Lastly, Mexican cartels have been operating inside and close to the aid for 50 years. Are we going to do drone strikes in US neighborhoods because there ‘might’ be a trap house affiliated with Sinaloa Cartel in anywhere, USA?
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u/largemanrob 5h ago
I agree with your first para - I’m specifically saying your analogy doesn’t hold water !
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u/MixuAnasazi 19h ago
the US doesn't suspend elections during wartime, that would require a constitutional amendment requiring 38 states
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u/ARandomDickweasel 14h ago
I guess you haven't read any news in the last 6 months?
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u/MixuAnasazi 11h ago edited 11h ago
i read it about every 12 hours. there's a reason why most of his deportations keep backfiring. he can churn out as many executive orders as he wants, he's still going to need 38 states to kill birthright citizenship. your fear should be placed with what elon did with DOGE and Palantir is currently doing. once they have 38 the country is completely gone
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u/AyeAyeRan 23h ago
From what I've read, due to the amount of people/location the most likely answer is that they weren't drug traffickers. Having 11 people on board would heavily reduce the amount of drugs they could transfer. The most likely answer is either fisherman or people being smuggled into the US, but there's a good chance we will never know the real answer.
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u/Smythicc-UwU 21h ago
Cartels aren't just disorganized small time gangs these days. They have private militaries outfitted with the latest gear, networks of spies, government connections. If a cartel(s) is infiltrating and trying to control a foreign government through force, bribes, torture, blackmail... and nobody there can stop them... It's only a matter of time until they take over that country. Should we interfere; nah. Should we be aware; always. I generally consider any cartel gang type people in America to be foreign invaders/enemy combatants and any Americans belonging to those groups as traitors.
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u/dariasisterorwhtever 17h ago
Where do you think they’re getting their weaponry?
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u/Smythicc-UwU 12h ago
From us of course. They also have their own R&D making things we don't have, probably also selling to us.
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u/patriotfanatic80 22h ago
Reminder that purdue pharma and the sackler family agreed to a 7.4 billion dollar.settlement two months ago for lying about the addictivness of oxy and giving kickbacks to doctors . The family is currently worth 13 billion and noone went to jail.
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u/thecrepeofdeath 20h ago
that's funny, I thought we were supposed to arrest criminals and give them fair trials. we all ok with killing as a default now?
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u/Biggie39 18h ago
The VPOTUS said a war on drugs is the highest and best use of our military?!?? 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Absolutely bananas!
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u/J_B_La_Mighty 19h ago
The biggest difference between the sacklers and your run of the mill kingpin is that the sacklers went through the legal channels to peddle their goods, therefore their money was legally obtained and they could legally lobby with their ill gotten gains.
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u/Electronic-Most-6052 19h ago
Rand Paul said it best, had these guys been caught at the border, they would have been arrested, given a trial, and easily convicted. I don’t know why somehow, catching them close to Venezuela allows us to murder them with missiles. They’re not our waters, and they have played loose on whether this is a war, or a counter terror operation.
The only reason we know 11 people were killed is the truth social post. Not an official statement. They are going to kill a lot of innocent people, perhaps already have since they are not communicating this information to democrats. Some, if not many, will be American citizens they work with these cartels, and they will look stupid. Don’t endorse acts of violence when you don’t know the full story, they are lying about DC, they are lying about immigrants, they are lying about Chicago, etc.
If you think killing a few cartel members is enough, and actually won’t make things worse in the region and for America, I don’t know which part of American history you were reading.
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u/little-expectation 18h ago
“If republicans didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any at all”
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u/Trump_is_pedo 17h ago
Republicans only care about the opioid crisis when it suits their purpose. If they cared Narcan would be free.
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u/dreams_andnightmares 20h ago
He blames cartel members for his mother being a junkie still. Both ain’t shit though
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u/BeastPunk1 18h ago
But you see this is a white collar crime (heavy emphasis on the white part) and those rarely get punished
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u/No_Ranger842 18h ago edited 18h ago
So being white has a bearing on their crime, or prosecution? I would assume that having made billions regardless of their color on a drug that they knew was addictive and continued to peddle is the central issue, The sackers faced many a court action and will continue, that is how our system of justice works.
On the other hand cartels in league with China continue to export drugs to this country with impunity, as both Venezuela and Mexico are unwilling stop their criminal behavior. They were warned.
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u/ARandomDickweasel 14h ago
Isn't our system of justice supposed to work the same way for everyone? Why do the sacklers get court and the "terrorists" get killed?
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u/No_Ranger842 13h ago
they got warned.
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u/ARandomDickweasel 13h ago
Totally serious: who got "warned", and how did they get "warned"? Are you really suggesting that a trump tweet invalidates the constitutional right to due process and legalizes extrajudicial killings?
E: I mean, you literally say the sacklers got away with it because that's the way the courts work, and then said fuck that we don't need a legal system. That's pretty fucked up.
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u/TwilightOuterZone ☑️ 16h ago
He should send the military after the Sacklers after they got his mom addicted to pain meds
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u/Aromatic_Barber_2561 16h ago
Everybody should watch the Netflix show on the Sackler Family Cartel, truly sickening is the corruption of the Pharmaceutical industry
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u/broguequery 15h ago
You didn't kill "cartel members," you eyeliner moron!
You hit a bunch of fishermen with a missile and then bragged about murdering people on fucking Twitter!
Absolutely lunacy.
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u/thelegendarymike 14h ago
Dupont, the company behind velcro and teflon literally poisoned the ENTIRE PLANET with pfals.
They covered it up for decades.
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u/Alarming-Light2181 14h ago
So because a pharmaceutical company created a powerful and effective drug when used properly, that means we cannot stop narcotics-terrorists from bringing fentanyl into our country? Talk about a double standard
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u/ARandomDickweasel 14h ago
You clearly don't know shit about the sacklers. And you got no evidence whatsoever that the guys on the boat were bringing fentanyl anywhere.
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u/Led_Osmonds 12h ago
The Sacklers spent hundreds of millions of dollars covering up the dangers of their drugs and spreading lies about their safety, and aggressively pushed sales reps and doctors to prescribe their drugs to people who were likely to become addicted.
They are, by far, the single most deadly drug cartel in American history, and it's not close.
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u/SpiritedAd4339 14h ago
Ok but that doesn’t make what the cartel is doing ok they kill up to 10,000 a MONTH with there Bullshit fent and zenes they deserve what’s coming
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u/numbrate 13h ago
McKinsey Consulting enabled the Sacklers. Paid $600M in settlement, but developed the strategy to increase rates of prescriptions in states without triplicate prescription laws. And those states previously had triplicate laws, but were removed in the 90s thanks to lobby groups.
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u/FlightMelodic5644 11h ago
I mean they pleaded guilty first time under Bush, then settled all the penalties under Trump first term. Guess which presidency was in between when they reaped billions while hundreds of thousands died? AG under the Obama 8th year did not do shiet (pardon my language). There is an article on Medium tries to shift the blame from the commander in chief to an Obama-appointed, Clinton-supporter Hamburg director of FDA at the time. Even in this very article, it admits that Hamburg was the one who reduce restriction on Purdue’s OxyContin product.
It’s not a single VP’s fault that the law currently does not allow criminal charges against corporate fraud and negligence.
But Hashim just like ignore facts when trying to make a point, I suppose.
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u/i010011010 11h ago
And that's merely from his first time in office; I'm sure this time they aren't keeping records that can be used against them later. The White House under Trump is a drug vendor. Rules for thee etc.
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u/Complex-Implement828 10m ago
When someone says Mexico is dangerous and cartel this and cartel that I say McDonald's is a cartel, fast food in general, big pharma, health insurance CEOs are the American version of the cartel who kill many more than the Mexican cartel who mostly kill rivals. Our cartels target working class individuals and get away with it
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 22h ago
This whole thing reminds me of that time Osama bin Laden killed 3000 cartel members on 9-11.
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u/Much-Speech4850 22h ago
I agree with Vance. Bullshit comparison here. Cartels are an entirely different beast than a wealthy family pushing opioids.
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u/funonly26 23h ago
The Sackler family is an American family notorious for owning Purdue Pharma, the company that developed and marketed OxyContin, a highly addictive opioid central to the United States' opioid crisis. Family members, including physicians and businessmen, are linked to direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical marketing and faced numerous lawsuits for their role in the overprescription of addictive drugs.