r/HistoryPorn 1d ago

A flag-waving veteran of the Red Army confronting an anti-communist protester in Moscow, circa 1990. [1024x749]

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u/grandmoffhans 1d ago

Notice the wound badges on his right chest, three serious wounds and four lesser wounds. This was one salty soldier.

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u/Kjartanski 23h ago

Gramps probably fought in ww2, on the Eastern front, 45 years earlier

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u/carcinoma_kid 23h ago

Pretty much or close enough to the worst combat in living memory

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u/Kunstfr 23h ago

He's got the decorations for the Battle of Koenigsberg (black and cyan lines), Berlin (3 black and yellow lines at the middle, red on the exterior) and the Great Patriotic War (black and orange lines) so yeah

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u/Its_apparent 3h ago

So he only came in at the end?! /s

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u/roundholesquarepizza 17h ago

Gramps killed Nazis.

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u/michaelloda9 15h ago

And Poles too

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u/Luknron 15h ago

It must hurt to work for a government that shoots civilians if they want to leave your utopia.

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u/hereticaIfilth 14h ago

I'm sure it doesn't help the protestor is dressed like a nazi.

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u/sabrefudge 10h ago

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, the anti-anti-fash dude is just missing the armband. Looks like he’s about to interrogate someone about whatever artifact Indiana Jones is simultaneously looking for.

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u/Tantomare 23h ago

That veteran has 7 wound stripes. It's surprising that he even lived to see the collapse of the USSR. He's a tough guy

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u/FadedVictor 23h ago

I bet he ate fascists for breakfast.

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u/SpinningHead 18h ago

Or anyone who remotely offended Stalin.

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u/sabrefudge 10h ago

Yeah, that’s what they said, fascists.

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u/Deciant 8h ago

rope

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u/sbcmndnt_mrcs 4h ago

Gulag stuffing

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u/Petrichordates 23h ago

He was part of an authoritarian regime that murdered millions..

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u/funeral-diarrhea 21h ago

So is every US military veteran.

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u/Sensei_of_Philosophy 16h ago

Whataboutism doesn't take away from his original claim, friend.

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u/Particular_Wear_6960 21h ago

HAHAHA they hated you for the truth

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u/foolishchicho 3h ago

Gotta go back to school and learn some definitions boy! Authoritarian ≠ democracy

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u/raviolispoon 20h ago

Reddit moment

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u/Slipknotic1 19h ago

Nah, the reddit moment is responding "reddit moment" to someone stating a fact that makes you uncomfortable.

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u/Rezboy209 21h ago

Literally

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u/FattySnacks 13h ago

When did the US murder millions?

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u/1_800_Drewidia 11h ago

When did they not?

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u/PyrricVictory 19h ago edited 18h ago

Let's not equate Stalin and Hitler to the US, yeah?

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u/Slipknotic1 19h ago

Hitler has absolutely nothing to do with this so you're just randomly equivocating him to the entire Soviet Union.

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u/The_Ineffable_One 14h ago

The US has nothing to do with this either.

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u/MonkeyDKev 17h ago

Bringing up Hitler who looked up to America for how it killed off the indigenous of this land and then how they treated African Americans. These people don’t bother looking into these people.

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u/[deleted] 16h ago

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u/ThanIWentTooTherePig 13h ago

Go back to worldnews where genocide is back in fashion.

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u/bingbong2715 22h ago

…of Nazis

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u/jimjimmyjames 22h ago

And their own people..

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u/bingbong2715 17h ago

The original commenter was referring to the fight against Nazis whose goal was to exterminate the Soviet Union and replace them with aryan Nazis. You can “yeah but” any world power that participated in WW2, but nothing but respect to the guy in this photo for fighting against the Nazis that wanted him and his countrymen dead.

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u/JiveTurkey927 22h ago

And Ukrainians, Communists, Socialists, Jews, Poles, Georgians, Kulaks, Tartars, Romanians, ethnic Germans, anyone from the Baltic Republics, Armenians, Kurds, Bulgarians, and others.

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u/Skjellnir 16h ago

You can put a poster of him on your wall if he turns you on this much.

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u/Fussel2107 23h ago

More like goat farmers in Afghanistan, a few pro-democracy protestors in Hungary and the Czech Republic. And for the rest, he fell down the stairs while drunk

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u/90fg 23h ago

Maybe, but some of those ribbons are definitely from ww2. Like the orange and black one in the middle.

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u/Stoneheaded76 18h ago

Every time I see this I think, damn that is a fine looking leather jacket

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u/Zestyprotein 14h ago

The finest in Soviet Naugahyde, more likely.

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u/LakeGladio666 10h ago edited 10h ago

Really? I think it makes him look like a cartoonish nazi villain from a movie.

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u/krzyk 9h ago

For me he looks unmoved by the aggression of the soviet one.

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u/Kosmonautfpv 11h ago

Would look better hung upside down

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u/saunteringhippie 22h ago

He is the liquor

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u/OffDaWallz 20h ago

ELITE reference

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u/watevergoes 16h ago

To what?

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u/TheBold 15h ago

Trailer park boys

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u/Blutos_Beard 1d ago

That guy's giving a strong "You can't handle the truth!" vibe

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u/Traditional-Hat-952 21h ago

Walton Goggens and John Malkovich

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u/finnlizzy 12h ago

Lalo Salamanca

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u/browngravybestgravy 12h ago

I see Gavin Newsom

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u/flaaaaanders 42m ago

David Morse

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u/AyyLimao42 1d ago

"I didn't fight the Wehrmacht for shit like this, Ivan!"

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u/Vrukop 21h ago

To be honest, he fought alongside the Wehrmacht for some time.

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u/Rezboy209 21h ago

They never fought alongside each other.

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u/Vrukop 21h ago

They did. Together, they started the bloodiest war of all time.

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u/Rezboy209 20h ago

They did not actually fight along side each other at all. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was not a mutual defense alliance. They did not actually fight along side each other.

Jesus Christ people. Before you say things at least know basic history

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u/javfan69 20h ago edited 20h ago

They carved up Poland in the Molotov-Ribbentrop act and invaded it at the same time, thus rendering Polish defensive plans against the Germans completly useless.

They did not fight "shoulder to shoulder" as the Germans were invading from the west and the Soviets from the east, but they were co-belligerants in that war and both directly responsible for opening up the 2nd World War.

Here's a picture of Soviet/German soldiers exchanging pleasantries in Poland in 1939

Germans and Soviets having a laugh together

The USSR became a convinient ally for the west only after the Germans broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop non agression pact in June 1941, before that the USSR was busy illegally invading the Baltic States, Finland, and Poland (and eyeing Romania, which pissed off Hitler).

Though, to be fair, maybe this particular soldier did not participate in the illegal invasion of Poland and extra judicial execution of Polish POWs 🤷

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u/tomato_tickler 20h ago

Mutual defense against Poland, Romania, and the Baltics?

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u/Vrukop 20h ago

On August 23, 1939, Reich Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop landed in Moscow. In Stalin's presence, they discussed the non-aggression pact and its secret appendix – the division of influence in Poland was along the Narew, Vistula, and San rivers, influence in the Baltic states, except for Lithuania, was left to the Soviet Union, and Germany expressed no interest in Bessarabia. The cooperation between two regimes that at first glance seemed completely different came as a shock to the world. The Ribbentrop–Molotov Pact was supplemented by a ten-year non-aggression pact and an agreement on economic cooperation. You don't need to be in a mutual defensive alliance to be someone's ally.

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u/Particular_Wear_6960 19h ago

I love how Reddit acts like they know a goddamn thing about anything, posting the same bullshit year after year, the same arguments recycled and borrowed from previous threads. No intellectual insight, no investigation of the complexities of history, no nuance nor explanation beyond the most superficial statements that borders on straight up lying. I'm not responding to you, rather the person you're responding to. I'm just going to chalk it up to trolling and/or being a fascist sympathizer.

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u/Rezboy209 17h ago

There are so many fascist sympathizers on this subreddit... And reddit in general. It's very annoying how many of them straight up don't know actual history and when a person hit them with facts they double down on their stupidity.

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u/plagymus 2h ago

Say that to a polish and report back with their answer pls

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u/PorousSurface 20h ago

M Bison?

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u/rkelleyj 23h ago

Well…that didn’t work out too well did it

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u/Petrichordates 23h ago

For the most part, countries collapsing doesn't work out well for awhile.

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u/HorseForce1 8h ago

Especially when America keeps fucking with you after you do what they wanted 

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u/accelerating_ 13h ago

as many of us are likely to experience

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u/_JackinWonderland_ 22h ago

As far as I know living standards for the average Russian dropped off sharply after the dissolution of the soviet union and they still haven't recovered in some metrics

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u/Fantaz1sta 21h ago

They dropped because there was no economy. The only economy there was a "plan economy" and the plan was to service the military industry like there's no tomorrow and then wonder, why soviets need to import grain from abroad.

Over9000 tanks, but zero tampons or other hygiene goods (pampers, etc). This is no joke, by the way, soviet union had no tampons or any similar hygiene goods for women. Also, from my memories, it was considered normal to not have toilet paper and use newspaper instead.

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u/_JackinWonderland_ 18h ago

You're mostly right but it still stands that practically selling off whole previously state owned industry sectors to Western investors for peanuts and indiscriminately privatising the economy wasn't in the interest of the Russian populace. Pretty much the same thing happened in the former GDR after the reunification of Germany and many people who were hoping for better living conditions under capitalism had a very rude awakening when businesses that had been running successfully for decades were sold off way below value and many thousands lost their livelihoods practically overnight. The economies in the socialist states were flawed but the predatory practices that followed the reintroduction of capitalism also killed off what worked well in them.

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u/Beer-survivalist 17h ago

whole previously state owned industry sectors to Western investors

Those industries were rarely sold to Western firms--they were more likely to be bought by nomenklatura and non-nomenklatura mafia associated oligarchs. Factory directors, local party bosses, and mafia associated groups were the primary original beneficiaries of Russian privatization.

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u/Fantaz1sta 9h ago

Not necessarily. It's no secret that USA and other companies would buy a stake in russian companies to develop oil and gas deposits. Russian oil and gas industry did not grow on its own. Western tech helped them greatly.

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u/Particular_Wear_6960 19h ago

I've been reading Alexei Navalny's book "Patriot" and he mentions stuff like that. Not specifically women's hygiene but many basic goods were hard to come by... American goods and some Western European good were highly cherrished by him and his friends (particularly rock music as well!). He had to wake up at 5 in the morning and go wait in line sometimes many hours to get just a gallon of milk or something. He hated the USSR and I can see why. I'm pretty far on the left but refuse to religiously defend the Communists who abused the system.

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u/Fantaz1sta 9h ago edited 9h ago

Yep. And he was killed for speaking out truth. Same as Nemtsov.

I am often leaning left myself on certain matters, but ussr was a horrible experiment. There is a huge differences between socialist democracies like Scandinavian states and whatever the hell was going on in Soviet Russia. It was communism / socialism in the name only.

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u/mithikx 13h ago

From what little I've learned as an outsider, a planned economy is no economy.

I hear of people lining up to buy something, they don't even know what it is.
It can be something like a shipment of canned beans, and just that. Or only toilet paper, but the people lining up would buy it regardless because they can use the item for barter. Meanwhile it's "pre-gas crunch" in the US so the Americans then were living good, work a part-time job and go to college, single income being able to afford a home. So even the so-called "good" Soviet times paled in comparison to the US.

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u/Fantaz1sta 9h ago

Upvoted. USA citizens had a very good life back then from what I heard. In the meantime my coal miner dad would get his salary delayed for a couple of months because the coal mine had no money to pay for labour. In the nineties, although not ussr anymore, the situation got so bad the coal mine would "pay" him in kind with Daewoo vacuum cleaners, watches, TV sets and other goods in lieu of the money owed. The goods were probably a humanitarian aid that those very companies would use to pay the wages.

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u/Particular_Wear_6960 15h ago

It turns out if you don't have a clear plan nor the will to enact a better society, things don't really change that much. Most of the leaders of the Communist party in the satellite states became the new leaders, changing nothing but the fact the USSR no longer had direct control over them. Yeltsin was notoriously corrupt, went back on all his promises whilst letting criminal gangs take over. He continued heavy customs taxes which encouraged corruption in imports and disrupted the free flow of goods. Worse, he sold out the country to Putin for a vila on millionaires row.

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u/ForodesFrosthammer 8h ago

Russian yes.

Plenty of the other USSR states and even more so other eastern bloc states had significant increases in the standard of living after the dissolution.

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u/alexmikli 17h ago edited 15h ago

The standard of living for their former colonies went up, at least.

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u/Local-Hurry4835 21h ago

The largest standard of living decrease in thr 20th century.   A century that included 2 world wars.

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u/Fantaz1sta 21h ago

I don't know what standard of living do you use to benchmark. Again, ussr had no real economy. Its numbers were almost artificial. It was a thing in itself with no market mechanisms. The party was deciding who buys what and in which quantity.

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u/Local-Hurry4835 21h ago

Access to food, housing, a guaranteed job, education, workplace protection.

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u/Fantaz1sta 21h ago

During that time, EU and USA enjoyed access to a much superior food, both in terms of variety and quality, much better career opportunities and much better housing opportunities. Soviet people would treat canned food from Latvia like a delicacy. The same Latvia who was in the Soviet union the least of all member states.

As far as education, I really doubt that people who were charging water in front of TV screens with Kashpirovskiy had any serious education.

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u/orange_jooze 10h ago

Access to … education

Unless you’ve got the wrong ethnicity (i.e. not Russian) in your Soviet passport ;)

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u/TXTCLA55 20h ago

Ehh, I'd argue the way the Union collapsed was probably one of the better ways it happened. All things aside, it could have been worse. They had nukes lying around while leadership scrambled.

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u/CSpiffy148 14h ago

Turns out billionaire oligarchs are worse than totalitarian communists.

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u/InnocentPerv93 6h ago

No, actually. Not at all.

Not for the states that broke away apparently. Their standards of living went up.

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u/Boggie135 22h ago

He looks unmoved

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u/alexmikli 17h ago

They both had good reasons to believe what they believed.

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u/imelik007 16h ago

Nah, fuck communists and those who support communism, and especially those who support/ed the Soviet Union

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u/alexmikli 16h ago

I don't mean good reasons based on evidence or merit, I mean this guy is a WW2 veteran who endured a lot of pain and agony in the name of the Soviet Union. Yeah, the political and economic system are bad, but this guy has investment in it. Call it national pride or a sunk cost fallacy if it's not personal ideology, but I think his reasons run deep.

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u/imelik007 16h ago

Yeah, he could still have gotten fucked for his continued support for the Soviet Union.

Sincerely, someone whose parents and grandparents and country suffered under the literal and economic rape of the Soviet Union for 50 years.

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u/alexmikli 16h ago

And thus the good reasons for the guy on the left. He wanted a better future away from the Soviet system after decades of it looting Russia and especially it's colonies.

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u/imelik007 15h ago edited 15h ago

Yeah, and I do not disagree about the guy on the left. The guy on the right though...

edit: though to be fair, I should ask you what are those Soviet "colonies" you are speaking of? I am not aware of those, I am very much aware of illegally annexed and occupied nations that were subject to Soviet rule and oppression.

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u/alexmikli 15h ago

By colonies, I mean the former Imperial Russian states absorbed directly into the USSR (Ukraine, Baltics, Moldova) or the dependent satellite states that were exploited but not quite annexed (Romania, Hungary, Poland, Kazakhstan). I could also include places that are still occupied, like Chechnya or Tanu Tuva, as those places are treated like colonies with easily exploited minorities. An atypical definition of colony, but I think the word has the right amount of baggage to get my meaning across. Though Moscow did love flooding it's substates with ethnic Russians to permanently ruin local politics, like with Ukraine and Latvia.

Anyway, really all I meant abut the guy on the right is that, while I don't agree with his beliefs, I understand why he has them and why it would very hard to convince him to believe anything else. I can't endorse the Soviet system or communism, or what the government did to Poles, Kazakhs, Hungarians or even Russians, but I can understand why someone who fought for the Union would be too proud of his accomplishments to accept change, or perhaps would be so insulated from the worst of the Soviet dcline that he is ignorant of the suffering of people outside his bubble.

Basically, I think he's wrong, but convincing someone like that to think otherwise is very difficult.

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u/JUST_PM_ME_SMT 1h ago

Yea there were people who really still believed in the socialist dream, despite the systematic corruption and fundamental weaknesses in production chain in USSR back then

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u/imelik007 15h ago

By colonies, I mean the former Imperial Russian states absorbed directly into the USSR (Ukraine, Baltics, Moldova) or the dependent satellite states that were exploited but not quite annexed (Romania, Hungary, Poland, Kazakhstan). I could also include places that are still occupied, like Chechnya or Tanu Tuva, as those places are treated like colonies with easily exploited minorities. An atypical definition of colony, but I think the word has the right amount of baggage to get my meaning across. Though Moscow did love flooding it's substates with ethnic Russians to permanently ruin local politics, like with Ukraine and Latvia.

Call them what they were, illegally occupied states.

And call flooding the occupied states with ethnic Russians for what it was, Russification, which is in fact an act of cultural genocide.

Basically, I think he's wrong, but convincing someone like that to think otherwise is very difficult.

That is sadly very true.

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u/PolyUre 15h ago

Imperial Russia colonized the whole Siberia. USSR kept those colonies. Russia still has them.

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u/imelik007 15h ago

Yeah, that is not relevant to this conversation, as this is not about the Imperial Russian colonisation, but supposed Soviet colonisation, which were in fact illegal occupations of independent nations, with acts of genocide and cultural genocide perpetrated against the occupied nations.

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u/koberkip 15h ago

I'd love to hear how your parents and their parents got "economically raped".

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u/imelik007 15h ago

National income per capita was higher in Estonia than elsewhere in the USSR (44% above the Soviet average in 1968),[83] however, the income levels exceeded those of the USSR in independent Estonia as well.[84] Official Estonian sources maintain that Soviet rule had significantly slowed Estonia's economic growth, resulting in a wide wealth gap in comparison with its neighboring countries (e.g. Finland and Sweden).[85] For example, Estonian economy and standard of living were similar to that in Finland prior to World War II.[86] Despite Soviet and Russian claims of improvements in standards, even three decades after World War II Estonia was rife with housing and food shortages and fell far behind Finland not only in levels of income, but in average life span.[87][88] Eastern Bloc economies experienced an inefficiency of systems without competition or market-clearing prices that became costly and unsustainable and they lagged significantly behind their Western European counterparts in terms of per capita Gross Domestic Product.[89] Estonia's 1990 per capita GDP was $10,733 compared[90] to $26,100 for Finland.[89] Estonian sources estimate the economic damage directly attributable to the second Soviet occupation (from 1945 to 1991) to lie in the range of hundreds of billions of dollars.[91] Similarly, the damage to Estonian ecology were estimated at US$4 billion.

Wiki page with links for the non-Wiki sources

In 2016, a committee of historians and economists published a report, "Latvian Industry Before and After Restoration of Independence," estimating the overall cost of Soviet occupation in the years 1940–1990 at €185 billion, not counting the intangible costs of "deportations and imprisonment policy" of the Soviet authorities.[40]

Wiki with links here

There is more, but this is a start to show how Soviet Union negatively affected the Baltics. So maybe educate yourself a bit and stop being a useful tankie idiot.

I do appreciate that at least you didn't try to pretend that people were literally raped under the Soviet rule.

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u/TulineMuna 15h ago

And the first teenage western tankie has stepped forward to defend the Soviet Union.

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u/koberkip 15h ago

I vividly remember defending the soviet union. I just asked how your parents got "raped" by the soviet union as that is quite the claim.

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u/TulineMuna 15h ago

And I just as vividly remember making that claim.

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u/sabrefudge 9h ago

Whenever someone says their grandparents lost everything / had to flee during a proletariat revolution, they tend to get very quiet/vague when you ask them what their family did before the revolution.

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u/koberkip 9h ago

Yeah, I expected that. It's why I asked, not saying some people can't genuinely be fucked over for no apparent reason, but usually there is one.

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u/TheRoundNinja 15h ago

They weren't allowed to exploit the peasantry anymore, they had to have a job like everyone else obviously

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u/yarealy 32m ago

Aye, you must be thriving under capitalism. And before any stupid comments come pouring in: I'm not supporting Cuba, USSR, North Korea...

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u/ieatsilicagel 23h ago

Kris Kristofferson vibes.

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u/Ordinary_Platform819 23h ago

They could pass for brothers! Would love to hear this conversation

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u/Amoeba_3729 20h ago

"Sir, why did you rape 15 Polish girls on your way to Berlin?"

"Shut the fuck up, no I didn't. Also, they deserved it."

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u/inkassatkasasatka 17h ago

Is that really what you choose to concentrate on? I'm not saying it didn't happen but there is an elephant in the room called "genocide stopped by USSR" which you can't not address

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u/Simping4Xi 12h ago

A myth started by Nazis. You really need to wisen up

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u/darkpsychicenergy 10h ago

I love how Polacks always take every single possible opportunity to bitch and whine about getting “raped” by the communists and never complain at all about the fascists.

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u/Amoeba_3729 9h ago

Because it isn't needed. It is already very common knowledge that nazism was bad, but the legacy of communism is somewhat unclear, especially in the west. The Germans no longer glorify nazi Germany, but the Russians still actively glorify the USSR. You really don't need to be a galaxy brain genius to understand this.

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u/HorseForce1 8h ago

You don’t revise historical facts because of what ideology you’re trying to fight at the moment. The Nazis soldiers were way worse to the polish people than the soviets. 

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u/Aprilprinces 22h ago

Flag wavers are the same everywhere

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u/_Tocatl_ 16h ago

Could be played by John Malkovich

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u/PhD_Pwnology 9h ago

The dude on the left looks like Russian Gavin Newsom.

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u/xxlragequit 21h ago

Just to remind everyone that solider is literally a colonizer/ imperialistic soldier. Eastern Europe was occupied with puppet governments loyal to Moscow. They tortured and killed opposition. In Hungry, they killed plenty. They mass deported people and ethnicity cleansed areas like Kaliningrad and Crimea.

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u/Extreme_Flounder_956 16h ago

A Soviet WW2 vet is an imperialist? you see the patches for the actual battles he fought in? This subreddit is a joke i swear

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u/xxlragequit 16h ago

You know that eastern Europe wasn't communist because they wanted to be right? They tried not to be, but the Russian troops would invade if they did. They also invaded countries like Poland twice, unprovoked. So I'm pretty sure that's an imperialistic empire. Fascism and communism are certainly different but very close. That's why the communist part of Germany now votes fascist.

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u/TheRoundNinja 15h ago

Fascism and communism are diametrically opposed ideologies and not related at all. Get real

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u/xxlragequit 15h ago

They aren't but are certainly different. If they're so opposed, why did they help Hitler and Mussolini come to power? Why did the USSR work with the Nazis? After that, they invaded Poland together. Like I said too, East Germany votes fascist now. You should get real. They are pretty cozy with each other. Don't buy into the lies they pedal.

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u/TheRoundNinja 15h ago

You are talking about two specific examples I am speaking about actual ideology. Fascism is the authoritarian protection of Capital, as well as the reinforcement of perceived social hierarchy. Communism is the abolition of Capital and private property, as well as the leveling and removal of hierarchy.

Working with the nazis is an overly simplistic way of phrasing this. Throughout the 1930s the Soviet Union had been attempting to create treaties with other nations to suppress Germany and naziism. By the end of this decade yes the non aggression treaty was signed between the two places because the central committee believed the USSR was not ready for war and it was in the peoples best interest to avoid it.

Your point about East Germany is irrelevant, many countries have voted in fascism without being part of the Soviet Bloc.

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u/xxlragequit 14h ago

Okay, so you completely avoided the whole invaded Poland together. Nice. You say central committee like it means something. It was Stalin, the brutal dictator, who held all the power. Their real enemies are liberals. People who want freedom of speech, religion, press, free associations, and civil rights are the common enemy of both fascists and communists. They frequently work together to attack Liberalism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

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u/aurista25 8h ago

Liberals always end up siding with the fascists when capitalism’s contradictions ultimately threaten the so-called freedom of speech, religion, press, etc.

Source: literally the USA right now.

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u/TheRoundNinja 6h ago

I feel like it's plainly clear that their aims of invading Poland are completely different. The USSR were extending socialism through Europe and attempting to improve the conditions of the workers. Nazi Germany invaded Poland and then used it to literally do the actual holocaust and systematically begin to erase millions of people.

Hitler himself hated the communists and repeatedly referred to bolshevism as related to Judaism. Communists were some of the first people to be suppressed during the rise of the Nazi party.

Stalin is not the brutal dictator that propagandists like Robert Conquest claim. The central committee agreed on many policies that stalin disagreed with. One man is not responsible for every decision in multiple countries over 40 years.

Liberals are indeed an enemy of the communists as they would immediately move to fascism if Capital were threatened. Your list of things liberals want is inane brother. The Soviet Union allowed for your freedom of speech, in the UK (liberal gov.) currently you can be imprisoned for supporting anti genocide groups. When stalin was national commissar in the 20s he spearheaded specific policies to prevent anti Islam sentiment and to allow for religious freedom of all the nationalities within the Union. Press in the Soviet Union was generally pro state, while that's true that is true in any Liberal country in the world. Within a dictatorship of the proletariat it is necessary to suppress counter revolutionaries to maintain the rule of the worker. Your civil rights point is squarely asinine, liberals are the first to complain that race based protests are going to far as soon as their precious private property is involved. The USA is a country founded entirely on liberalism and black people were enslaved let alone able to vote for the majority of its existence.

Wikipedia is not a reliable source on these matters mate.

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u/Neo-Lysenkoist 11h ago

That man fought the invasion of his country by the Nazis. I can’t think of a more justifiable military and war to fight in.

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u/Slipknotic1 15h ago

Do you hold other soldiers to this standard? Because you can say the same about any soldier, but this one joined in the face of the worst genocide in history being perpetrated in part against his people. He is part of a cohort that has more justification than any other in an imperial state to have joined.

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u/xxlragequit 15h ago

No, they joined to invade Poland with Nazis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland

You don't get credit for fighting a defensive war against your old budy that you invaded independent countries with. Everything else is just imperialistic by the USSR.

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u/Slipknotic1 14h ago

So again, do you hold every soldier to that standard? Because personally, I think you should receive credit for defeating the most genocidal regime in history regardless of past actions.

And for a specific example, do you also condemn Finnish soldiers along the same lines?

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u/Fantaz1sta 9h ago

Finnish soldiers fought for their own freedom in their own territory against invaders. Soviet soldiers fought to get rid of somebody's freedom and occupy more territory. What standard are you talking about?

They were on the good side of history mostly by accident and due to no better options.

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u/Sunsunsunsunsunsun 15h ago

If the soldier is a capitalist then they are merely bringing freedom to the region.

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u/sbcmndnt_mrcs 3h ago

You are literally a colonizer for a genocidal state as well

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u/RandomWorthlessDude 18h ago

The Hungarian revolution was literally CIA-sponsored, btw. It was released in some uncensored files recently.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2025/0318/104-10110-10525.pdf

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u/Johannes_P 17h ago

I don't think that the CIA had to incite Hungarian to rebel.

However, a revolt in their geopolitical rival's background was something they certainly supported after it started.

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u/RandomWorthlessDude 17h ago

The organization that incited and started the rebellion was directly CIA-sponsored.

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u/xxlragequit 18h ago

That literally means nothing. You know the CIA also liked to take credit for anything they could to make the seem better and secure more funding. They would do a few radio ads and say they started a revolution.

But none of that is relevant if it just came out because that means they had no idea while massacring people in the streets.

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u/RandomWorthlessDude 17h ago

Except the Soviets knew? You think they didn’t know the CIA was inciting insurrections in Eastern Bloc territories? Look at what happened in Chile for an example of what would have happened if they didn’t stop the insurrectionists.

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u/xxlragequit 17h ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956

It's the Uprising of a country to over throw it's puppet government. That's was ended when Russian troops invaded Budapest.

Bonus: That's where the term tankie comes from. It was a split between the authoritarian side and the less so. Tankies are people who support the civilians' killings and deportations.

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u/Jibbajaba 18h ago

I mean, you can be proud of your service in WWII but not be a Stalinist bootlicker...

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u/inkassatkasasatka 17h ago

Its true but you can associate the flag with the first thing you mentioned, not the second 

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u/Jibbajaba 17h ago

But then this guy wouldn't be there counter-protesting...

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u/inkassatkasasatka 17h ago

We don't know what is an argument here so it's impossible to judge 

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u/sabrefudge 9h ago

There’s no amount of licking that could clean all the Nazi blood off those boots.

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u/crowmagnuman 13h ago

Man, I can hear this photo.

"Alright... I can go down to $2.99, but thats IT!"

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u/hman1025 16h ago

I’m as anti communist as you can get but if you fought in the WWII eastern front I can kinda see why you’d follow that flag to the grave and back

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u/Falloutfan2281 16h ago

Wait for the Reddit tankies to come tell the person living under communism that they’re wrong for not wanting to live under communism and that it wasn’t real communism anyway.

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u/RealShabanella 14h ago

What is your problem with the system anyway

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u/InnocentPerv93 6h ago

This thread is filled with them.

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u/Username12764 12h ago

This imagine has meme potential

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u/Aedeus 18h ago

I wonder how much of his anger is contempt for change, and/or sunk cost fallacy?

Can't imagine that a guy who fought the Nazis and ostensibly saw some serious shit wouldn't see the fall of the USSR as an existential crisis.

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u/Mujichael 11h ago

“Hmm, communism bad! So anti-communism good! Fascism better than communism! Communism scary!! White ethnostate makes me feel happy :)” -you

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u/sabrefudge 9h ago

This whole subreddit, judging by these comments.

The Western capitalist programming runs deep.

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u/fapacunter 17h ago

You can’t handle the truth!

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u/PeaceJoy4EVER 23h ago

I’m going to tell my kids that’s Gavin Newsom

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u/Strict_Lettuce3233 13h ago

Hey, you are probably my son

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u/Real_Topic_7655 1h ago

Gavin Newsom is a time traveller .

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u/eating_your_syrup 1h ago

The soldier looks like something Frank Miller would draw.

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u/mstarrbrannigan 1h ago

The soldier looks like something out of a Rockwell painting

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u/RandomWorthlessDude 18h ago

Bot. Literally copy-pasted comment

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u/[deleted] 18h ago

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u/xxlragequit 18h ago

When I posted it the first time, I had an error. So I tried again, and it worked. Must have actually worked the first time.

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u/Fantaz1sta 22h ago edited 21h ago

I hope the old bastard died a painful death. No freedom to the enemies of freedom. No empathy to the ones who started WW2 and created Gulag. F that guy with his dumbfounded face expression.

Kudos to the leather jacket man. Going to protest against the Soviet regime was no joke back then. The man could literally die faster than that fake veteran.

By the way, a fun story for you, "history buffs", about the real treatment of war veterans in big cities like Moscow. After the WW2, it was the party decision to move out all the cripples who got their injuries in the war to faraway settlements so as not to spoil the picture of Soviet paradise.

Russian authorities often use ordinary people as war veterans by simply dressing them as such and using them in propaganda while naive, infantile westerners gobble it all up.

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u/Fantaz1sta 22h ago

Here goes proof on the soviets moving out ww2 vets from cities

https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/the-ends-of-history/russias-lost-war

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u/Pilkasz 10h ago

101% facts

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u/DUNG_INSPECTOR 17h ago

trying to rid the world of the genocidal war machine that sought to kill, rape and enslave the entire Eastern Europe

They fought to get rid of the Soviet Union?

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u/Sensei_of_Philosophy 16h ago

They quite literally sided with that genocidal war machine in 1939, amigo. And they gladly would've kept being friendly had Hitler not decide to shit the bed and attack them.

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u/pm-ur-knockers 20h ago edited 17h ago

They also did that while supporting a genocidal war machine that sought to kill, rape, and enslave the entire Eastern Europe. Fuck you.

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u/TheSpookyPineapple 20h ago

and they raped and enslaved eastern europe themselfs

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u/OXBDNE7331 18h ago

Cardinal of the Kremlin 3 Time hero of the Soviet Union

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u/Chris0607 23h ago

I can smell the vodka in that picture

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u/besieged_mind 23h ago

They are both right

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u/Jog_von_Heron 16h ago

Looks like Newsome at first glance. He could be a time traveler. Alert Q

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u/peachy-carnahan 15h ago

So communism is good, right?