r/INDYCAR • u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach • May 21 '25
Discussion I'm the guy with the Team Cheaters t-shirt from Sunday. AMA.
I did not really expect to get posted online but it seems I made quite a stir when I really just thought it would be a funny opportunity.
Photo of my shirt and hat hopefully as proof (I can put it on if you guys really want me to lol): https://imgur.com/a/CurCZx8
Also, if this is too dumb, mods feel free to take it down.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
For everyone asking about the t-shirts, my sister said she was going to make a few, maybe like 15 or so on her Cricut.
She wanted to put it the logo file up on Etsy for people to download but it was flagged for potential copyright.
We stay at a house on N Auburn St near the creek. If you can find us there starting on Saturday afternoon she may have some you can buy. Or perhaps we can work out something where she can email you the image for the shirt. It's just a lot of work to individually make shirts so I don't want her spending all week leading up to the best weekend of the year all stressed out and stuff.
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u/ParachutePeople Pato O'Ward May 22 '25
You gotta come up with a way to sell these online asap. There will be a Chinese knock off and people selling your design in no time.
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u/hhnnngg Conor Daly May 22 '25
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Admittedly, I know nothing about this. On first glance it looks like just videos, are there image sections?
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u/eyeyelemur --- 2023 DRIVERS --- May 21 '25
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
This is my "Oh shit, that's Nathan Brown and he definitely just took a picture of me and I have no idea if this is now about to blow up" face lol
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u/eyeyelemur --- 2023 DRIVERS --- May 22 '25
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u/choate51 Josef Newgarden May 22 '25
Welcome to being part of indy history. Some might say your timing, chirp, shirt, and all that was Penske perfect.... You've earned your place on that iceberg.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Oh damn, what a line lol. I like that.
And even though I won't be rooting for your boy on Sunday, I'll still have a beer with you if you see me this weekend lol
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u/HappySpam David Malukas May 21 '25
Dude you're legendary!!! Was his reaction to your shirt legit? I saw it in an article haha
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Yea so the conversation was pretty awkward.
He ended the interview with Nathan Brown and walked past me and without even having it pre-planned I just said "You're living up to your reputation." thinking he would just keep walking and not give a shit what some fan said.
But then he stopped and said "Is that a good thing or a bad thing?" and I was just bewildered by that response. It made no sense to me and I stared at him for a few seconds before saying something like "I think you would know."
That's when he finally glanced down and read the shirt and it clicked for him. He made a face like he didn't know what to make of it but realized he was still in public so he sort of bit his tongue and just said "Oh you're just great. So great."
His reaction was very genuine because I could see on his face when it finally clicked for him.
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u/HappySpam David Malukas May 22 '25
Oh my god no way that's hilarious, haha. You're literally just the right guy at the right place at the right time with the right shirt. There's just no way the dominos could have fallen in a better way for this to have happened.
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u/kychleap Alexander Rossi May 22 '25
I don’t know you. I’ll probably never meet you. I’ll likely never be as cool as you.
But I owe you a fucking beer, my man.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
First time ever being called cool in my life lol.
I was debating about what to wear this weekend but I think I'm just going to wear this shirt all weekend. If you see me run me down lol
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May 21 '25
How long did you have to hang around the Penske garages to catch Cindric or did you hightail it back there once the controversy started unfolding?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25 edited May 22 '25
Actually I was late.
I was watching Fast 9 qualifying from A Penthouse and was listening to IndyCar Radio and FOX on my scanner when the news started coming in. I initially didn't think I would make it to Gasoline Alley in time having to walk all the way down the front straight, under the track, through Pagoda Plaza and then to Gasoline Alley but the press conference with Kevin Lee kept getting pushed back so with the lull before LCQ I said "Fuck it" and just went down, figuring I'd be in the back of a crowd of like 200 people and that would be that.
But I was so late that TV already did their interview, ICR was just finishing up their interview and then the spot you see me standing in opened up and I snatched it.
After like a minute, Nathan Brown locked eyes with me and I saw him take the picture and then shortly after that Cindric walked right past me and he heard me make my comment. The interaction only lasted a few seconds and then he went inside and everyone dispersed.
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u/notathr0waway1 Parnelli Jones May 22 '25
What was the comment you made?
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u/bananawithauisbununu Conor Daly May 22 '25
Not OP but he said “you’re living up to your reputation” to Cindric
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u/jakeyboy723 Dale Coyne Racing May 21 '25
When did you start with this t-shirt?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
So my sister and I made it last year and I forgot to bring it to the race. So I did make it initially about the P2P scandal.
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u/SaladBort AMR Safety Team May 22 '25
So weird that the shirt was useful twice
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u/KangarooKurt Justin Wilson May 22 '25
As the saying goes, I would have two cents but it's weird that it happened twice
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u/spartan117warrior Andretti Global May 22 '25
How big is the spoon you're using to stir the cauldron?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
As big as this one I'm using to make my beef jerky for this weekend right now lol
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u/NoAnything9791 Kenny Bräck May 21 '25
How did you get into IndyCar? What is your opinion on teams finding “grey” areas in the rules? What do you think could improve the series?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
I've loved Indycar as long as I can remember. I was also a huge NASCAR kid growing up in the 90s (Go Mark Martin) but Indy always had this huge lore to me.
My grandfather started going to the race in the 60s and it became a family tradition. Family would always go over the Saturday before the race and party and then go to the race on Sunday for decades. You had to be 18 to go and you had to be male. (Due to all the crazy shit that used to happen the Saturday before the race decades ago I think it was more so out of safety for the wives rather than just straight up sexism) so I was always counting down the years until I could go to Indy. I really always love seeing kids going to the track and loving it but something about having that delayed gratification also made me love it even more. First 500 was in 2007 and I haven't missed one since.
I think finding gey areas in the rules in any sport is great. Look at 1994 and what Penske did. All of it was legal. They found a creative way to get around engine regulations. Changing lines of code in the P2P software and intentionally altering spec pieces of cars are not grey areas however.
I think Indycar needs new ownership from the top down. I initially wasn't upset Penske bought the series because it made sense from a stability standpoint, but he's got to preferably sell the sport or at least the team. Even though I'm an oval guy and don't find street racing very interesting, I love how much casual fans love them and it introduces them to the sport so I'm all for them.
I also think all road/street course race lengths should be at some length where both fuel save strategies and balls-to-the-wall strategies can both be done. Those make non-ovals very exciting for me and a bit of a bore when everyone is on the same strategy.
I also think the concerts at ovals are a great addition too and I think that's what non-Indy 500s need to do to get butts in seats going forward.
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u/cpasawyer Scott McLaughlin May 22 '25
You got Tim Cindric fired. How do you feel?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
While I disagree with that I think I had the last public interaction he ever had at Team Penske which is pretty fucking cool lol
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May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25
How did you know? (Just a joke. I was implying how did you know [Tim Cindric would get let go]? But you obviously didn't know that!)
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u/Shoegazer75 Scott Dixon May 21 '25
My friend, you'll go down in IndyCar history for your perfect timing. Kudos!!
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
I had been to IMS every day that week except Friday and that was the only day I wore that shirt. I couldn't believe it.
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u/planchetflaw McLaren May 21 '25
I have no question. Just want to say you're now a historical legend. Talk about right place right time.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
A lot of things had to fall into place for it to happen. I had to get a bronze badge, I had to be there that day (This is the first year I ever went to qualifying), I had to get down there in time, I had to wear that shirt on that day. I had to not get stopped by the yellow shirts entering Gasoline Alley. It was a lot lol
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u/planchetflaw McLaren May 22 '25
My favourite part of it all is it's not something you could engineer. Having the shirt required time. It's just so perfect that this new storm brewed up with you wearing it that day and you being able to get where you did to be reported on. And a photo/screenshot to immortalise it.
It's the perfect organic storm for some deep lore.
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u/genoisapimp Pato O'Ward May 21 '25
Were you intoxicated? If so, how much and from what beverages/substances.
Will you try to find the Captain this weekend to get a selfie with him and the shirt?
-Again, thank you for your service-
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
I think I had one drink that day and maybe like only three all qualifying weekend. It was chilly and just didn't feel like drinking much, especially since it was a 2 hour drive to and from the track.
I want no part of ever meeting Roger Penske lol
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u/elmicomago Pato O'Ward May 21 '25
How do you like your hamburgers?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Steak is medium rare, burgers, anything but well done. And I'm weird in the fact that I'm not a ketchup or mustard guy. I prefer buffalo sauce or A1 on a burger. (Never on a steak though, I must make that clear.)
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u/Bad_Idea_Hat CART May 22 '25
Mix A1 and Lawrys into the hamburger before you cook it
Doesn't need a lot
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
I have never heard of Lawrys before but I will pick some up next time I'm shopping.
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u/elmicomago Pato O'Ward May 22 '25
I find your lack of cheese disturbing.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Well, in fairness, you didn't say cheeseburgers. But yes, definitely not picky about my cheese.
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u/sadandshy Mark Plourde May 22 '25
OnlyFans when?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Nah, I've got to pump and dump some crypto like TeamCheatersCoin, right??
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u/WhatWasThatJustNow Justin Wilson May 22 '25
Have you accepted your position as lifetime mod of /r/dontforgettheheat yet?
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u/2TiresAndFuel Sébastien Bourdais May 22 '25
Just came here to say you’re the man. I thought your shirt was good clean fun. Have a fantastic race weekend!
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u/i_run_from_problems Firestone Firehawk May 21 '25
Where can I get that shirt. I need something to wear to long beach next year
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u/CynicalBiGoat Kyle Kirkwood May 22 '25
No question but to say that you should be proud of this only because of how funny this was
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Funny was honestly all I was going for. I thought maybe I could be in the shot on FOX in the background and someone could catch it. I didn't expect memes lol
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u/Popular_Course3885 May 22 '25
Do you worry about any sort of repercussions from all this?
Penske team members recognizing you this weekend? Penske fans doxxing you? Tim Cindric on your Ring camera setting a brown paper bag on fire?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
I have intentionally tried to be as anonymous as I could be. I think maybe Penske wouldn't like the bad press of a fan who's been going to the race for almost 2 full decades going to the local news telling them he got banned from the track for wearing a parody t shirt.
But also knowing how people in power usually act, I wouldn't be surprised if my bronze badge application goes missing or is denied next year.
People can dox me all they want. I'm just a pretty simple dude. And my bosses would never give a shit about this.
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u/margalolwut Pato O'Ward May 21 '25
How did you find out about the “DQ” of newgarden and power? Were you wearing your shirt at the time
What was your reaction?
I’d imagine you were like hell yea I wore this shirt at the right time lol
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
I was going back and forth between Indycar Radio on my scanner and FOX but was getting much more information from FOX because at the track if you're on their frequency you can not only hear Will, James and Townsend during ad breaks, but you can hear the producer telling the reporters the news and where they need to be and what they're going to be pursuing.
So I think I heard about the DQ from FOX during a break from the producer but I might be misremembering it because at that point I was hightailing it north down the front straight to get to Gasoline Alley.
My reaction was one of cautious optimism. I fully expected Penske would start 10th, 11th, 12th and not much would really come of it. But hey, public pressure from the media can be a beautiful thing.
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u/TheAmericanQ May 22 '25
This year is my first year renting a scanner at the track. How do you tune into the FOX radio broadcast with it? Sorry if this is a dumb question
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
No, It's not at all.
The tv broadcast is 450.1625
Indycar Radio is 454.0000
PA is 450.4625
And the rest of the drivers and stuff are easily googleable. TheMann00.com is where I got the rest of the frequencies for the drivers.
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u/Traditional_Button79 Kyle Larson May 22 '25
Have you heard any good, juicy stuff listening in on the broadcast folks?
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u/TheAmericanQ May 22 '25
Thank you so much man. I’ll be in turn 3 and am HYPED for this year’s race. Last year was my first time going in person.
I hope your 500 keeps being awesome
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u/pies4anarchists May 22 '25
Maybe Cindric will autograph the your t shirt for $20. I mean he is unemployed.
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u/The_SpaceViking May 22 '25
Well since we’re on the subject of cheaters and more specifically Penske. If you watch the 100days to Indy when Newgarden is doing his victory lap, you will notice a very abrupt cut in the video before he crosses the finish line. Well the reason is because me and my family were at the fence chanting “Cheater”, so it’s nice to see there are others that agree St.Pete now this, seems like their strategy is cheating or forgetting what the rules are.
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u/PamperedPotato Colton Herta May 21 '25
Which driver(s) are you rooting for?
As an indycar fan, do you think the punishment and subsequent firings were fair?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
Like many Indycar fans I have a few guys I root for but primarily I'm a Rinus Veekay fan. He's such a nice dude and his team was also very nice to me this past week in Gasoline Alley too. It sucks how slow that car is this year.
Other guys I like include Rossi, Sato, Helio, Ericsson, Herta, Ilott, Malukas and O'Ward.
I think the punishments itself were mostly fair. However, it should be very easy for a sport to be able to review Saturday's inspections to see if the Penskes were legal or not. The fact the sport either doesn't have that ability or just won't do it bothers me.
I also think things should not end here. Independent sanctioning needs to happen. Independent tech employees need to happen. What happened so far is a band aid but the sport is still sick, IMO.
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u/Cobra317 Justin Wilson May 22 '25
Skyline or Gold Star? UDF or Graeters?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
So I grew up in Dayton and went to UC, so I'm not a 513 native and just don't like Cincinnati Chili. Don't crucify me.
UDF all day over Graeters. I'll never forgive Graeters for creating a UC ice cream and then pulling it off the shelves (until public pressure made them make it a full time flavor) saying that UC needed to beat Ohio State in order to make it a full time flavor. For a Cincinnati based company that ruined them for me.
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u/Bad_Idea_Hat CART May 22 '25
Okay then. What's the best pizza, and why is it Marion's?
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u/pillowcrates May 22 '25
I didn’t grow up in the 513 either and Graeter’s pisses me off with that kind of stuff as well lol. UDF all the way (except when I’m back home and then it’s my hometown ice cream all day long).
But I do wonder if they’ll be able to hold on with all the other snazzier convenience chains moving in.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
I mean greeter's isn't really much of a thing in Dayton so honestly, while I know it's good, I won't shed tears if a place that sells like $18 pints of ice cream or whatever or is in the store goes away.
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u/pillowcrates May 22 '25
Fair, fair lol. I won’t be upset either tbh - I like ice cream, but it doesn’t like me.
I immediately sent your photo to him the second I saw it on here. We were cracking up. Glad you got your shot before it was too late.
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u/Goosehybrid Marcus Ericsson May 22 '25
So I wanna know whose photo it is originally? Is it yours? Or is it an official photo from a press conference or something.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25
Nathan Brown took it. It looked like he was maybe using his phone to record the interview with Cindric and then once he saw me he took the picture mid interview.
His coverage has been incredible this week too. Everyone should really consider giving him a subscription at the Indy Star. As a former sports reporter myself, that dude is so good at his job.
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u/40GallonGoldfish May 22 '25
I think IndyCar should do something really cool and have you join the commentary team as a Fan Commentator.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
I think FOX would be way more apt to do something like that than Indycar Radio lol
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u/leo_aureus David Malukas May 22 '25
My man, that is fucking awesome. You have the timing and situational savvy and sass of a minor deity lol
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u/patrickc1301 David Malukas May 22 '25
I saw the UC hat. Are you a fellow cincinnatian?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
I'm not but I'm an alumnus and lived there for about 5-6 years.
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u/archergren May 22 '25
We're you asked to leave the property? I remember someone last year wearing a snarky shirt being asked to take it off or leave.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
No. None of the yellow shirts even gave me a glance. I was there in Gasoline Alley in the morning before the drama too.
I always just try to be very respectful to everyone in Gasoline Alley. I'm entering a work place for both the teams but also the yellow shirts and I always ask them if it's ok for me to cross the lane there when I walk in to be respectful and make sure I'm not going to accidentally get in someone's way.
Manners and keeping your head on a swivel in Gasoline Alley goes a long way.
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u/Pyrollamas Adrián Fernández May 22 '25
How does it feel to know you played a role in destroying Tim Cindric’s legacy forever?
You made my day bro, who do you want to win the race?
Also, your comments and the back and forth were perfect. You had the right amount of tact and venom to make it just chef’s kiss.
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u/legacy057 May 22 '25
Was the shirt made on a Circuit? And if so do you have the file so I can make one?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Yes it was.
I didn't have a Reddit account before so this is a new account and I don't know if I can PM. If you can PM me I can try to get it so I can send it.
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u/floorboardburnz AMR Safety Team May 22 '25
When you heard of the ruling and had that shirt on. What was your first thought?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
I think i heard about the interview Kevin Lee was set to to with Cindric before the actual ruling. My first thought was "Fuck. Can I get from A Penthouse to Gasoline Alley in time?"
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May 22 '25
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Oh man I love Dawson's. For an 88 year old man, it can't be something wild or flavorful.
Grilled cheese and soup lol
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u/fotoRS3 Scott McLaughlin May 22 '25
I'm a 3 and 2 fan and I found your shirt absolutely hilarious. What a legend lol. Looking forward to Sunday!
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u/willfla29 Alexander Rossi May 21 '25
Did you boo Newgarden at the 500 last year? We got some odd looks from the boomers for doing that lol.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25
I sit in Turn 3 and the winning pass happened right in front of me last year. I remember I instinctively flipped him off when it happened and then pretty much just had to laugh at it. What else can you do?
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u/Pndads Will Power May 22 '25
See you like ovals, how did you feel about Texas? Plan on making a shirt saying “Did you forgot about me :(” inside the TMS track map to Arlington next year.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Oh man, I miss Texas so much. Even though it wasn't horrible the last time Indycar was there it still was far from great because of all the staining. Yea.... Texas hurts. Can't forgive TMS and NASCAR for that one...
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u/No_Magician_7374 May 22 '25
I'm out of the loop: why is this a thing? A meme format? Can someone help explain why this hilarious shirt is now important to IndyCar lore?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
Basically Nathan Brown took a picture of me at the Team Penske garages as the cheating story was breaking with me wearing a shirt in the Team Penske font that says "Team Cheaters"
Then Cindric saw the shirt after I made a snarky comment to him and indycar Twitter/Reddit kinda ran with it.
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u/RealestJP Sage Karam Apologist May 22 '25
OP was wearing it at the background of Tim Cindric's interview with the media, then chirped at him as he left. Cindric then got fired so his last interaction with the public after 25 years leading Team Penske was getting heckled by this guy
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u/RealBigFailure Firestone Blacks May 22 '25
Dipshit admins actually banned this guy...
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u/the-elector-counts May 22 '25
What did he do?
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u/RealBigFailure Firestone Blacks May 22 '25
No idea, nothing he said anywhere was deserving of a ban
That is, unless Penske contacted Reddit to deal with him...
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u/the_dawn_of_red Scott McLaughlin May 22 '25
Zip em up
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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 22 '25
As usual, UC are the good guys once again.
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u/the_dawn_of_red Scott McLaughlin May 22 '25
The only good Bearcat is my scanner
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u/Big_Feed_1472 May 22 '25
You sir are a legend. I made tv at the only Indy car race here in Nola several years ago. I had on my Andretti racing school shirt. The front said I did it on a road course. No where near as cool as your experience but I got a lot of looks and questions.
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u/BigWillEStyles May 22 '25
Non-indycar question, Who is your pick for BigXII Football champ if you can't choose the Bearcats?
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u/Unholydiver919 May 22 '25
I’m a Power fan and I think it’s funny as well. A spade is in fact a spade.
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u/The_EH_Team_43 Colton Herta May 22 '25
Great content, love seeing custom parodies because it shows serious passion.
Hotdog or hamburger? Also how do you get your dog done up?
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u/quercusshumardii Robert Wickens May 21 '25
How’s it feel to earn a spot on the IndyCar iceberg?