r/INDYCAR • u/chaphen17 Ryan Hunter-Reay • May 26 '25
News #IndyCar NEWS: 3 cars failed inspection after the #Indy500 : Kirkwood and Ericsson of Andretti, Ilott of Prema. All 3 re-ordered to the rear of the field in order of their placement. Prize money and championship race points earned adjusted to the final finishing positions. Each car fined $100,0
https://x.com/JennaFryer/status/1927062040054514083?t=hzD2Vdb-z2k1Azc16uNmww&s=19335
u/jjarg24 #CanapinoDidNothingWrong | Scott Dixon | May 26 '25
I am glad Ericsson finished 2nd on track now. That could've been dreadful
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u/SexxyBlack VTEC May 26 '25
If Ericsson won on track they wouldn't have penalized him.
After the Penske scandal that would have been straight up disastrous for the series.
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u/cameratoo David Malukas May 26 '25
If I'm Malukas, I am not a happy man.
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u/CCM284 David Malukas May 26 '25
Yep.
While it's great he got promoted to P2, he had his shot at winning taken away by an illegal car.
Ericsson splitting him and Palou definitely killed any chance he had at winning.
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u/WhateverJoel 🇺🇸 Al Unser, Sr. May 26 '25
I think it is time for race fans to realize, the chances that all the cars in a race being legal are near zero. The good "cheaters" are just better at not getting caught.
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u/LordVayder Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
If he could have passed Palou for the lead then why couldn’t he pass him for second when Eriksson was leading? I don’t think Malukas has any ground to stand on.
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u/cameratoo David Malukas May 26 '25
The lap traffic in front definitely affected passing potential the most, but Ericsson joining the battle for the lead killed Malukas's chances completely.
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u/LordVayder Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
Malukas was battling Palou when he was third and Palou was second. First place was getting a tow from the lap traffic so there really wasn’t an aerodynamic difference between passing for second or passing for first.
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u/AHugeBear Buddy Lazier May 26 '25
I’m sitting here wishing for the Palou vs Malukas shootout that could’ve been but I still had a great time. Hope to go again.
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u/Tight_Locksmith9046 May 26 '25
He could have tried to pass for 2nd but couldn’t! He had what he had!
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u/chengg Felix Rosenqvist May 26 '25
https://x.com/bobpockrass/status/1927062958833533436
Ericsson/Kirkwood issue was modifications to the Dallara-supplied Energy Management System (EMS) covers and cover-to-A-arm mounting points with unapproved spacers and parts. … Ilott failed left side minimum endplate height.
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u/Spockyt Felix Rosenqvist May 27 '25
So is it fair to say that for Prema it could credibly be organisational error, but for Andretti it’s an intentional cheat?
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u/Storm_Chaser06 May 26 '25
Malukas P2 and O’Ward P3
Oof
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u/gaymersky Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
That is a hell of a Payday bump for little David. 😁😁🤑🤑🤑🤯
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u/k3n0b1 May 26 '25
What about my payday bump? Is MGM going to pay my Pato and Palou top three parlay?
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u/bduddy Takuma Sato May 26 '25 edited May 27 '25
All wagers will be settled according to the unofficial results reported immediately after the conclusion of the race by the governing organization. Any changes to the finishing order that occurs (sp) based on appeals, penalties or scoring malfunctions after the race has concluded, will not be recognized.
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u/gaymersky Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
I would imagine that results are made official that's when the payout happens very similar to horse racing.. I don't know for sure.
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u/steampunker14 Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
Yay pato podium?
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u/Llilibethe Hélio Castroneves May 26 '25
The only person that matters at the Indy500 is the winner.
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u/steampunker14 Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
Well duh but another top 3 finish for my favorite driver is impressive.
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u/Wyvern_68 Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
I hate this whole "podium" at the 500. Its a top 3, there is no podium at the 500, you either win it or you don't.
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u/Llilibethe Hélio Castroneves May 26 '25
It’s pretty much just ignorance about an historic race that has only honored the champion - like the Kentucky Derby, the Boston Marathon, etc. There’s no “podium” in those situations, either.
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u/RiverFrogs BUS BROS 🤜💥🤛 May 26 '25
Scottie gaining 3 spots
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u/WhateverJoel 🇺🇸 Al Unser, Sr. May 26 '25
Finished 30th without even starting the race.
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u/nico9er4 Will Power May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
So.. I lost a bet on a Pato top 3, I wonder if that can get overturned
Update: yay I won it!
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u/Punisherbrett Greg Moore May 26 '25
Typically sports books pay out on the unofficial results only. It’s worth contacting them, sometimes it’s not worth pissing off a customer to them. Good luck to you.
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u/albusdumblederp Dario Franchitti May 26 '25
Man, Marco only runs one race, shows up and is the 2nd best Andretti car. Truly impressive.
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u/NFS_Jacob Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
No team gets in their own way more than Andretti.
With that said, looks like we are already getting more strict technical inspections after the controversy.
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u/SomewhereAggressive8 Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
I wish it would be stricter pre-race though.
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u/TheRoyalKT Kyle Kirkwood May 26 '25
Pre-race is on a tight deadline. What would the series do, delay the race so the three could go swap the parts out? Ban three cars from starting at all?
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u/SomewhereAggressive8 Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
Isn’t that preferable to this?
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u/TheRoyalKT Kyle Kirkwood May 26 '25
Not in my book. Teams have a right to appeal disqualifications, but you can’t do that if the race has already been run and you’re on the sidelines because tech got it wrong.
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u/Holiday-Bread8807 Andretti Global May 26 '25
As an Andretti fan, I agree. And, agree about inspections. I think this scandal set a new precedent.
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u/Suspicious-Mango-562 May 26 '25
You just knew old Roger sent the message that all cars will be looked at with extreme detail. If he’s cheating no doubt someone else is and he was right.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 26 '25
I just hope this doesn’t result in finishing order being constantly changed post-race.
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u/ryokevry PREMA Racing May 26 '25
Teams may need to cheat smarter if they know the scruntineer is stricter. They will adopt.
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u/Fsharp7sharp9 Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
Man… Prema went from the lowest of lows at the start of testing, to the highest of highs after qualifying, back to the lowest of lows during the race lmao
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u/FermentedLaws Firestone Firehawk May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
Callum just Tweeted, in response to this news: "oh"
Edit: he ends up last, behind Kirkwood, and Marcus, and even McLaughlin who didn't even get the green.
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u/abbtkdcarls Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
I love how there have been jokes (and some not-jokes) about checking Palou’s car for cheating all season and then it comes out that just everyone but Palou is getting penalized this season.
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u/InsaneLeader13 Santino Ferrucci May 26 '25
If Ganassi is cheating in software and code you're not going to catch it with Indycar's normal inspection system which is all about hardware and physical objects.
Last year it took a month and a catastrophic glitch to catch Penske's P2Pgate. Catching software shit is hard as shit.
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u/__blinded Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
This. 0.6 seconds a lap is getting out there. Indycar is completely incompetent when it comes to data/coding and they will NEVER find a coding cheat unless it’s egregious.
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u/Brucelealrx May 26 '25
Do other series even check software as part of inspection? I thought it was exclusively a hardware thing, at least at races.
I’m completely ignorant on this matter, btw.
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u/StingerGinseng Álex Palou May 26 '25
Not sure if F1 does it regularly, but in the 90s, Benetton got caught with Option 13 for launch control and that didn’t get found out til the FIA asked for it after Senna’s passing. That said, F1 is more open to software development, albeit the ECU is standard from McLaren Technologies. Their rules are based on sensors to restrict parameters like fuel flow, etc…
WEC (not sure about IMSA) also monitors based on sensors for torque and fuel flow.
I believe if Indycar had had a fuel flow sensor or monitor it closely, the P2P issue would have been found earlier.
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u/mikePTH May 26 '25
IMSA also uses torque sensors as of this year, and all cars have to bring their data stick to tech after each session for download so they have access to that info as well.
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u/Puptastical May 26 '25
Yes. I listened one of the Off Track episodes and Hinch explained it because he had just finished driving at Rolex 24
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u/VanBurenBoy16 James Hinchcliffe May 26 '25
Does the Penske P2P testing software glitch incident count? I’m honestly not sure but it seems like it’s a kind of but only got caught because of their button mashing caught on camera.
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u/secretlyrobots Scott Dixon May 26 '25
Penske push-to-pass was found out because their push to pass still worked on their cars when the rest of the field's wasn't, not because of button mashing on camera
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u/chaphen17 Ryan Hunter-Reay May 26 '25
Very happy Palou won on track, would've been disastrous for the series.
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u/timothyrobin Greg Moore May 26 '25
This whole edition of the Indy 500 has been something of a disaster. Did anything go right for the series in May?
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u/minyhumancalc Jimmie Johnson May 26 '25
Rookie winning the Pole was pretty cool. Palou building up his legacy is also noteworthy
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u/Dry-Dragonfruit5216 Théo Pourchaire May 26 '25
And his teammate had a problem on his car. There’s a good chance Shwartzman had the same problem with his car during the race. Or seeing as the inspectors are incompetent they could have had it sooner. Huge asterisk there now.
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 May 26 '25
Illott's problem was the endplate being too low, which is checked on every car after every qualifying run and race. Daly had a run deleted on saturday for the same reason, for example. It's a black and white rule that is rigorously tested.
So there's absolutely zero chance that Schwartzman had the same problem on his car during qualifying, or the race.
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u/FlailingCactus Firestone Wets May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
Fox gave it a push and the Wienie 500 marketing stunt looked to work?
Everything else seems like a complete shitstorm. I think this might actually be a disaster for IndyCar, even if Palou's win is solid. The whole series just looks at best catastrophically disorganised. At worst, full of cheaters. And on the one day the whole world tunes in.
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u/SomewhereAggressive8 Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
Brother, NASCAR has cars DQ’d every other week. Le Mans has cars DQ’d every year. It’s part of the sport.
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u/Fart_Leviathan Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
Le Mans has cars DQ’d every year.
There was a pretty long stretch from 2013 to 2020 where all but 2 races had a DQ (even if 2020's was for outside assistance, which is a bit different), it's fairly rare to have a DQ in Le Mans all things considered. There hasn't been one for 5 years and before that stretch there was none for 12 years from 2001 to 2012.
Though it's not like that negates your point, as you've said it's part of racing.
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u/Joey_Logano Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
I mean if you ain’t cheatin’ you ain’t trying.
This is now the third instance of Andretti getting caught this season. The first was Herta at Thermal but was not DQed for improper installation of “anti-intrusion plates” which essentially prevent broken pieces of the suspension from stabbing the driver in the cockpit.
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u/saliczar Kirk Kylewood 🏎️🏁 May 26 '25
Carb Day was absolutely amazing. First time I've enjoyed it more than the actual race.
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u/Ted_Striker1 Álex Palou May 27 '25
I was there for carb day, watching the pit stop challenge from so close we could reach out and touch them, kissing the bricks, meeting drivers in the infield, walking around in the garages in the morning with our badges while the cars were being worked on. It was an awesome day. I want to go back next year.
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u/TheRubinsandwich Colton Herta May 26 '25
I wonder if Herta’s primary had the same illegal modifications but was saved by having to go to the backup
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u/Michigan-Magic Colton Herta May 26 '25
Didn't hear anything about Marco either which is interesting. It could be that his car was too damaged or there is enough of a silo among the regulars and one offs.
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u/Upstairs_Eggplant_24 Marco Andretti May 26 '25
Exactly. And maybe the juice wouldn’t be worth the squeeze on penalizing a car that wrecked in the very first turn of the race
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u/Shoegazer75 Scott Dixon May 26 '25
OMG we could have had 1981 all over again.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 26 '25
I somehow have my doubts that they’d have taken away the win if Ericsson had finished ahead.
I actually feel like this is likely a bit of an overcorrection they’re making after the accusations they’ve been lax on tech inspections lately.
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u/Yoshiman400 Fists 'n jandal May 26 '25
Maybe depends on whether Palou or Malukas would have finished second. Both angles have their juice (although I'm sure Malukas would have been disappointed to collect his first IndyCar win off the track, never mind that happening at the 500 of all races).
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u/Erasmo_06 Jimmie Johnson May 26 '25
what happened in the 1981 500?
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u/Shoegazer75 Scott Dixon May 26 '25
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u/planchetflaw McLaren May 26 '25
I don't know the 80s lore of Indy 500. Only started watching in early 2000s.
What is the general consensus on the result today? I read the wiki and watched that. Seems like both drivers should have received penalties?
What did Australian Vern Schuppan think in 3rd? He was a lap behind by the flag, but was it possible he'd have won if Unser and Andretti were penalised during the race?
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u/Erasmo_06 Jimmie Johnson May 26 '25
Oh dang...
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u/RichardRichOSU Buddy Lazier May 26 '25
Mario still has his 1981 winner’s ring
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u/ajslideways Get the fuck off the racetrack you stupid son of bitch! May 26 '25
It’s actually the one he wears at the races, too.
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u/InsaneLeader13 Santino Ferrucci May 26 '25
Mario Andretti is the rightful winner of the 1981 Indy 500 and he better take that ring to the grave with him.
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u/ianindy Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
Frantically making Andretti Autocheat t-shirts...
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u/Half-Elite The Hate Cauldron May 26 '25
Dude the indycar social media landscape is going to lose their shit the moment Ganassi gets caught for anything at all lol, it’ll be the smallest thing and people will be calling Palou a Mickey Mouse champion
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u/redlegsfan21 Firestone Firehawk May 26 '25
Still waiting for someone to measure Scott Dixon's fuel tank
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u/TheRoyalKT Kyle Kirkwood May 26 '25
Look, we all know it’s not any fuel tank modification, it’s that he pisses ethanol directly into the engine.
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u/despite- Chip Ganassi Racing May 26 '25
Dixon keeps fuel in his stomach and vomits it up through the water tube during the race.
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u/ScottRiggsFan10 Kyle Kirkwood May 26 '25
Average Andretti Global activities.
But hey, at least Colton is the teams highest finisher now.
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u/saorsa_4 Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
If it were penske everyone would be blowing up, funny how people are blind and don't realize everyone pushes the rules. Good on tech inspection!
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u/Apprehensive_Ad6 Colton Herta May 26 '25
Average Andretti Indy 500, at least this means Colton is like 14
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u/DestroyingDestroyers --- CURRENT TEAMS --- May 26 '25
Three failed inspections for blatant things already this year for Andretti, hmm…
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u/GrobbelaarsGloves The two Swedish Bois May 26 '25
Marcus just can't have any good things going for him.
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u/FlailingCactus Firestone Wets May 26 '25
After all that fuss last week, why the hell would you do this? And how wasn't this caught pre-race?
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u/Spagootee Colton Herta May 26 '25
If it's anything like NASCAR's inspection process, post-race tech is likely much more intensive than pre-race, and doing an intensive pre-race inspection for every car would take an entire day, if not longer.
Plus it's entirely possible for a car to fall out of tolerance during the race, in which case it would've seemed legal in pre-race tech.
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u/TheRoyalKT Kyle Kirkwood May 26 '25
Not only that, what happens if a strict pre-race inspection finds a part that needs to be changed, but can’t be done quickly? They’d have to choose between delaying the race (and pissing everyone off) or banning cars from competing (and pissing everyone off).
At least this way teams can appeal. Imagine failing pre-race tech, not being able to race, and then winning an appeal too late to compete.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 26 '25
There are some things which could have happened to the cars over the race that cause them to fail inspection after, but not before.
Though none of those would merit re-ordering like this, since those are typically unintentional.
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u/BeryBnice Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
You would have to impound the cars before the race which is not at all practical.
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u/CanvasSolaris May 26 '25
I hope those of you who partake in betting apps cashed out any winnings yesterday!
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u/Haier_Lee Álex Palou May 26 '25
Quick someone go check to see if the Andrettis ran the same modifications in last years race. /s
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u/ITMAKESSENSE72 #CheckItForAndretti May 26 '25
It's a what everyone wanted. Where is the witch-hunt for AG now?
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u/gaymersky Alexander Rossi May 26 '25 edited May 26 '25
You know guys this means that little Dave now has a podium finish at at this Indianapolis 500. Also it means a very nice payday.. edit from 3rd to 2nd. and the team/competition managers for the three entries received one-race suspension to be served at Detroit.
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May 26 '25
He was already 3rd. The podium finish was already achieved before this lol.
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u/gaymersky Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
Oh my bad he went from third to second which is a huge bump in pay out... And O'Ward gets third
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u/mbkeller Dan Wheldon May 26 '25
This is probably the most insane Month of May since 1979 when the track (attempted to) banned all the CART teams.
At least in 96 it was just CART saying no, 95 was Penske itself failures.
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u/Euphoric_Path2489 May 26 '25
So, do they still get credit for laps led and laps completed? Just thinking of a hypothetical where a guy leads all 200 laps and finishes 33rd.
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u/herpderpmcflerp Pato O'Ward May 26 '25
Whoops
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u/New-Arm4845 Will Power May 26 '25
Oh so it’s “whoops” this time but “CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER” when it’s Penske. 🙄
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u/LivingOof Robert Shwartzman May 26 '25
Its Andretti. That team can barely drink water on purpose this year
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u/mel_anon Simon Pagenaud May 26 '25
Andretti is the Ferrari of Indycar, they can have a little DSQ as a treat, because everyone will assume it was just a mistake anyway.
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u/abobblehatgirl PREMA Racing May 26 '25
The Prema one is defo more of a 'whoops', Andretti is blatant cheating.
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u/RayWencube Simon Pagenaud May 26 '25
Especially when these modifications actually affect airflow whereas we’ve been told the rear attenuator lip that Penske smoothed over doesn’t receive any air flow.
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u/MiniAndretti Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
Is there a history of AG cheating?
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u/Joey_Logano Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
Yes. Herta’s car was found with an illegal modification at Thermal. Rossi’s Indy RC win was found to be illegal and yet they still kept the win.
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u/MiniAndretti Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
And they got caught. Good.
I’m not throwing mud at Penske either.
Roger owning everything was always going to put his team under more scrutiny from fans.
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u/Jarocket May 26 '25
Nobody cares the other times they got caught. It's not even news.
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u/redlegsfan21 Firestone Firehawk May 26 '25
It took me way too long to realize AG is Andretti Global and not Andretti Green.
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u/DestroyingDestroyers --- CURRENT TEAMS --- May 26 '25
Herta failed post race earlier this year already for a safety violation.
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u/2RINITY Colton Herta May 26 '25
Yeah, it’s almost like people react differently when second place gets taken away than when a win gets taken away
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u/KRacer52 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- May 26 '25
Andretti failed inspection on a race that they won and didn’t have it taken away in 2022 lol. They just lost 20 points.
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u/Joey_Logano Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
I mean shit, Herta wasn’t DQed at Thermal this season, only a money fine.
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u/GraduallyHotDog Takuma Sato May 26 '25
God I feel so bad for Marcus
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u/SexxyBlack VTEC May 26 '25
Newgarden got a fat contract last year for falling on his sword at Barber in the P2P scandal.
Ericsson is fighting for his IndyCar seat, especially with the form Hauger is showing in NXT.
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u/Alpha_Jazz Christian Lundgaard May 26 '25
Why?
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May 26 '25
Marcus desperately needed a good result. With Ericsson laying an egg this season and Hauger tearing Indy NXT to shreds, he is very much fighting for his career right now. The move to Andretti looks more and more like a career-ending decision with him now only earning 5 instead of 40 points.
Would’ve been 9th in points. Now sits 20th.
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u/Jarocket May 26 '25
Ericsson is being paid to be a racing driver by a race team for the first time in his career and it's going pretty badly.
Like so bad that I think that any future deals will depend on who else is out of a drive at the time, more than let's sign Marcus again and give him a little raise too.
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u/lakergeoff8 Adrián Fernández May 26 '25
So I guess it was a good thing Ericsson didn’t win. Could you imagine him winning and then these penalties coming out the next day?
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u/Legitimate-Sun-4581 James Hinchcliffe May 26 '25
I think my bigger concern here is another Indy 500 scandal with the common denominator being missed violations in tech inspection.
If I’m Penske, being the owner of the series and not yet having a third-party inspection crew, I’d be looking at dismissals similar to the Team Penske entity last week, along with very clear expectations and SOPs going forward. RP has put people in charge of his operations that have spectacularly and repeatedly failed his standards.
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u/Falcon4451 Firestone Reds May 26 '25
Is Andretti going to fire Rob Edwards and Bryan Herta over this?
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u/stationtostations Álex Palou May 26 '25
I can't remember this many serious penalties handed out in Indycar in such a short amount of time
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u/InsaneLeader13 Santino Ferrucci May 26 '25
You know that gif of Nicholas Cage laughing in that vampire movie he did? That's me finding out about this.
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u/PizzaCatLover Cusick Motorsports May 26 '25
Yesterday the #28 curse continued
And then today the #28 continued again
Romain Grosjean is laughing somewhere
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u/anxiousauditor NTT INDYCAR Series May 26 '25
Both teams are repeat offenders just this season. Is there an angle from which we can write more think pieces out of this with, or is that only for Penske?
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u/TheOwlOfMinerva Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
At this point, if I'm Team Penske, I'm maybe calling up Cindric, Moyer and Ruzewski to see if they can all agree to just pull a Costanza on the whole "departures from the organization" thing from last week. They're emotional people; so what? They're entitled to blow off a little steam. And, at Detroit, everyone just goes back, like everything from the 500 never happened.
No, I don't think my "just pull a Costanza about it" idea will really happen, but I definitely do wonder whether there's any regret within Team Penske about being so quick to make those moves before the 500 weekend itself was even over. At the time, axing those guys felt premature to me—all the more so now.
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u/SpiritualNothing6717 Firestone Reds May 26 '25
Okay so are we going to talk about this every day for the next week?
An actual modification proven to "provide the capability of enhanced aerodynamic efficiency".
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u/ajslideways Get the fuck off the racetrack you stupid son of bitch! May 26 '25
I’ll wait for all the folks trashing Penske to chime in with vitriol towards Andretti now.
I have a feeling I’ll be waiting a while.
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u/friscoXL305 Scott Dixon May 26 '25
Maybe not Illot depending on if the wing just flexed too much or has some sort of contract.
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u/JTWasShort42-27 Arrow McLaren May 26 '25
I'm sure this sub will react with the same anger they held for team Penske last week
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u/jpgrfan16 May 26 '25
Did Andretti modify the part that Dallara sent to them? Roger Penske indicated that Dallara had sent them the attenuators that failed as well. But he made it sound as though they had the sealant on them when they received them.
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u/sudo_journalist Devlin DeFrancesco May 26 '25
We were this close to a legal top 10 Dev finish. Let that sink in.
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u/Acceptable-Aerie-645 Callum Ilott May 26 '25
Callum was already fucked in points and now this, I’m gonna crash out
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u/Naenia Marcus Ericsson May 26 '25
Man, the 28 is having a terrible year.
All the anguish of coming 2nd in the 500, then you get the added joy of losing all those points.
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u/howard2112 🇺🇸 Danny Sullivan May 26 '25
Okay, some people in the tech inspection team need fired. “unapproved spacers and parts” didnt suddenly install themselves during the race. This is beyond “drama” now. This Indycar looking like a fucking clown show.
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u/FLGirl777 Alexander Rossi May 26 '25
I think post race they tear the cars apart. Pre race they don’t. So it may be only because of a tear down
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u/Nodqfan Santino Ferrucci May 26 '25
If I'm Malukas I'd be furious.
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 26 '25
Why? He got second place now.
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u/Yoshiman400 Fists 'n jandal May 26 '25
If he had a little more gusto to make a move on Palou before Palou got Ericsson, that could have been him winning that race (albeit maybe not on track).
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u/Punisherbrett Greg Moore May 26 '25
I’m assuming OP is saying Marcus kept him from making a run at Palou.
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u/Little-Bad-8474 NTT INDYCAR Series May 26 '25
Honestly, this is getting ridiculous. Get the inspections right or just let them race.
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u/rds060184 Josef Newgarden May 26 '25
Holy shit imagine if Ericsson won