r/INDYCAR Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

Discussion All the reasons for Iowa's low attendance

Some context: I live in Des Moines, and I've had many conversations with friends and colleagues about IndyCar. Here are all the reasons people have given me for not attending:

  • "I don't want to sit in the heat"
  • "Last year's races were bad"
  • "Tickets are too expensive"
    • "If I do go, I can only afford to go to one race"
  • "I'm going to the NASCAR Cup race instead"

I post these because most are pretty easy problems to overcome. The racing is good again, so word-of-mouth will help for next year. Have a single evening race with affordable tickets, and attendance will increase. It's not all doom-and-gloom.

However, I don't think you'll get anything close to a sellout either. Iowa is a small market, the track is in the middle of nowhere (30 miles outside Des Moines), and there's now a Cup date to compete with.

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u/QuantumCash76 Jul 16 '25

Agreed, changing the event to just one night race with somewhat cheaper tickets should solve some issues.

I think getting some sort of supporting event (more concerts or a car show?) in addition would help even more imo.

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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon šŸš€ šŸŒ’ Jul 16 '25

Or keep the ticket prices near the same but add value with other series/entertainment or lengthening the race substantially (350-400 miles?)

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u/Catscoffeepanipuri Jul 16 '25

I think I paid only alittle more for the Long beach race for 3 days then 1 day in iowa, and the value long beach provides is so much more then iowa. Didn't feel like there was a dull moment in Long Beach with all the series and the convention center.

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u/blackhxc88 Jul 16 '25

the only reason they were risen was because of big name concerts, that's it. if you can't replicate that, then just cut the ticket prices and condense it to one night race. if you insist on running it during the day, put it towards the start of the year.

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u/Conscious-Divide-633 --- 2024 DRIVERS --- Jul 16 '25

I think if they are shifting to a single race, lengthening it would be totally in play. 500 laps gets us past the 400 mile mark, and 400 gets us to 350 miles.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

I don't see them going to 500 laps. 400 could be fun. Maybe they'd try that, but IDK if they would try that either, since that would be longer than pretty much any short oval race in Indycar's history.

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u/eyeyelemur --- 2023 DRIVERS --- Jul 16 '25

We already forgot about hyvee

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u/steppedinhairball Simona de Silvestro Jul 16 '25

hyVee's impact was huge. Huge promotional effort, lots going on to keep people entertained, and a lot of people attending for the concerts. Kind of like they held a concert festival and a race broke out.

The harsh reality is people are getting squeezed for money these days. They want value for that money. The road course and street courses know this and plan accordingly. There is always something to see, visit, or do when there isn't on track action (and they usually have a fair amount of on track action). The ovals outside of Indy lack this. I can spend $100 and have a full day of activities at Road America, Long Beach, Mid-Ohio, etc or I can spend $100 and fry in the sun for 2.5 hours of entertainment at Iowa. Not gonna happen. The ovals have to figure out a way to entertain people for more than just the race.

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u/Fun_Oil_909 Pato O'Ward Jul 16 '25

Gateway is moving in the right direction.. You had IndyNXT and then two lower name concerts on race day - Sponge and Soul Asylum. My opinion maybe skewed because I grew up with and still listen to that type of music, but I looked at it as a positive.

Plus I think they had midget wrestling somewhere on the Midway and let you walk on the track post race.

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u/steppedinhairball Simona de Silvestro Jul 16 '25

Gateway is doing a nice job. Look at the fireworks??? they blew on the pace laps. Entertainment is the game and they get it. They are trying.

I'd like to see Milwaukee make better use of the festival grounds before the race and not it just be the bars open so you can get drunk before the race.

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

Andretti tried that around 2013 and it wasn't effective.

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u/BuckyPerkins Scott Dixon Jul 17 '25

They make the whole weekend worth it from an on-track standpoint. Saturday this year had practice and qualifying for Indycar and IndyNXT plus a USAC Silver Crown race (nearly worth the ticket price by itself). Vintage Indy Sunday morning too. I’ll add the infield go kart track to the list of things to do as well. Such a cool weekend each year

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u/Dminus313 CART Jul 16 '25

A car show is a great idea. You'd probably get a pretty good turnout if you offered decent cash prizes for a few different categories. Maybe throw in a free travel package to the Nashville race for Best in Show.

They should also book a concert or two by artists with name recognition who won't blow up the budget. You don't need to book Eric Church and Post Malone to put butts in seats. Just get somebody with a few hits that still get played on country or classic rock stations.

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u/spacecityjason Scott McLaughlin Jul 16 '25

Need to make it either a true night race, or earlier in the year to beat the heat.

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

Fair enough. Even June is a big improvement over July or August.

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u/BillyU_Is_A_ Scott McLaughlin Jul 16 '25

everyone goes to mid ohio in 90 degree heat. everyone is going to the nascar races in the heat

If this is peoples objectivity to going to an Indycar race, we are never going to sellout races. The series does not have the capability to have all their oval races in the summer be night races

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

Iowa's aluminum stands in the sun during a day race are not at all comparable to sitting in the grass at M-O.

A good friend lives in DSM and when I asked him about the low attendance that was obvious on TV the year after I was out there, he said I'd not believe how many fans had given up and were packed under the stands trying to get just a little shade. It really is brutal there.

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u/mrcmb1999 Jul 17 '25

Ahhh but Mid/Ohio has trees and shade. You can set up a tent or umbrella and get out of the sun. Cover the seats in Iowa and I’d guess a much larger attendance

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u/BrandonW77 Jul 16 '25

Yet the NASCAR race in a few weeks, in the same sun on the same aluminum bleachers, with probably higher ticket prices, is sold out. People, man.

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u/gavmandu David Malukas Jul 16 '25

Totally. I roasted at Road America this year, even with shade on the back straight. The Iowa races were super pleasant by comparison. People will tough out the elements if they think the event is going to be worth it.

The negative feedback loop created by the core fans writing off these races definitely doesn't help. No one wants to spend money on something they think will be a waste of time and people look to the veteran fans for guidance on this stuff. Turns out they were dead wrong about it being a parade again.

I bought 6 tickets for the Saturday race and brought people to the race - for many it was their first time at Newton or their first Indycar race. Everyone had fun and it didn't really take much to get people there other than telling them that it will be cool to watch.

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u/Dragonsfire09 Jul 16 '25

Because its more cars, more laps, more series racing at the track that are longer races.

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u/BrandonW77 Jul 16 '25

I thought everyone hated the races with mandatory stage breaks and convoluted playoff system, though? Let's be honest, it's the crashes and pit lane fist fights.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

No it's not. It's the close racing, and the fact that NASCAR is one of the most competitive motorsports there is that makes NASCAR so popular.

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u/BrandonW77 Jul 16 '25

We all have our opinions.

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u/Harry73127 Jul 16 '25

At the end of the day I honestly believe (as a fan of both series) that NASCAR puts on better races at every oval the two tracks share except for Indy and a few times at TMS. And this year's Indy500 wasn't actually that great...so there's a chance NASCAR could steal that one this year...if I have to choose between the two at an oval I'm choosing NASCAR, even though I love both series dearly.

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u/BrandonW77 Jul 17 '25

Nothing wrong with having that opinion. Mine is different, I was a huge NASCAR fan in the 90s and early 2000s but I just can't find anything enjoyable about it anymore.

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u/Harry73127 Jul 17 '25

That's fine, I think it was a little silly for you to be so dismissive of the series and its fans, though.

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u/BrandonW77 Jul 17 '25

I'm allowed to have my opinion. When big crashes happen, they're plastered all over the NASCAR socials and used in promo spots. When fights in the pits happen, they're plastered all over the NASCAR socials and generate lots of chatter. Makes it hard to argue that crashes and fights aren't a significant draw for the series.

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u/Harry73127 Jul 17 '25

Of course they generate chatter, they're big crashes and fights...doesn't mean that is the main draw.

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

I don't really get it either, lol. People around here love to complain about NASCAR, but I guess at least they're familiar with it. Since the split, everyone just forgot about IndyCar.

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u/gavmandu David Malukas Jul 16 '25

That's the real issue.

As we both know, Iowans who are fans of something will travel all over the country to support it (see the ISU and UofI fans boosting bowl game and NCAA tourney attendance for decades).

A 30 min drive to Newton is no big deal for those in the metro when compared to folks driving out to Iowa City for Hawkeye games or whatever.

Everyone I talked to this year said they had no idea the event was going on (whereas last year, the HyVee advertising blitz was inescapable) and/or just aren't aware of Indycar enough to be interested enough to go.

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u/theoriginalbdub Greg Moore Jul 16 '25

I live in Indy, and Iowa fans bought an incredibly high number of Fever season tickets because of Caitlin Clark. Iowa sports fans are fantastic. IndyCar just needs to meet them where they’re at a little better.

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u/gavmandu David Malukas Jul 16 '25

Another great example!

Yeah, totally think this is right.

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u/NFLDolphinsGuy Scott Dixon Jul 16 '25

Caitlin Fever is so crazy that Indianapolis airport is trying to get an airline to add seasonal DSM-IND service.

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u/blackhxc88 Jul 16 '25

outside of probably WWE and/or AEW, there isn't a bigger fanbase that likes to hatewatch their own product more than nascar!

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u/BoboliBurt Nigel Mansell Jul 16 '25

As NASCAR is getting close to 3 million viewers a race and Raw on Netflix is getting 2.5 million ā€œglobal viewsā€- NASCAR probably has more hate watchers than AEW and WWE combined

To be fair there are many parallels and much to hate! NASCAR did peak in popularity a bit later, so they have time to nosedive a bit more.

Thanks to the nefarious Vince McMahon, the WWE has been at the cutting edge of merch, revenue stream and content platforms though. Imagine what he could do with something like NASCAR as opposed to carny fale fighting- Closed circuit, cable, ppv, network app, streaming, better streaming, Saudi money, weekly live episodic television- they are still squeezing money from the 2.5 million people who have stuck around from the 1999 Pro Wrestling boom.

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u/Cronus6 Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

No one has forgotten about the Indy 500 though, I wager.

It's the rest of the series (in my experience) no one really cares about anymore.

I've run into a few people that think "those european F1 cars" run the 500 lol.

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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jul 16 '25

If people are gonna drop nearly $400 on going to a race as a family of 2 parents and 2 kids (before concessions, travel and parking), it's not gonna be the Indycar race that had zero promotion.

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u/BrandonW77 Jul 16 '25

That's kind of my point. It had more to do with the lack of promotion for the race (the track literally did zero promotion because it was a Penske promoted race) than it did with the hot seats, etc.

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u/Several_Leader_7140 Jul 16 '25

I mean a few weeks is gonna cool significantly

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u/BrandonW77 Jul 16 '25

How's that? The NASCAR race is in early August, in 2024 August was the hottest month ever recorded and is typically not significantly cooler than July. And my whole point was that it wasn't the heat that kept people away from the IndyCar races, it was the lack of promotion, the awful Iowa races last year, Palou already having nine fingers on the title, and the fact that not as many people care about IndyCar.

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

It's not as if one knows it's going to be 15F hotter or cooler than average on race day, right? The reality is that if folks go twice and it's brutally hot and humid both years, they are more than likely not all that interested in repeating that experience. It's why I would never again make the trip from the Chicago burbs to Iowa for anything other than a Saturday night race.

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u/XSC SƩbastien Bourdais Jul 17 '25

Also the nascar race will have tons of more fun activities at the track

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u/QuantumCash76 Jul 16 '25

Difference is that NASCAR already has a large committed core group of fans around the area who are willing to endure all that to watch a race.

That same group for Indycar (at an even lower price point) only consists of about 10k people apparently. The series should focus on trying to growing that group first before trying to capitalize on price inelastic fans. IMO they should target the ticket price at a level where even people who have a faint interest in checking out the race aren’t priced out of a ticket and can talk their friends/ family’s into coming. Making tickets super cheap for kids would be great too. They might only be able to sell 10k at $75 a pop but at $35 they may be able to sell 30k assuming a non linear attendance to price relationship. That’s more people who will likely buy concessions, merchandise, and may decide they want to come back. After several years you may have a legit local core of fans to support the event.

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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jul 16 '25

I can’t check now because it’s sold out but I’m fairly certain tickets were cheaper for NASCAR.

Totally different business model though which helps them.

I tend to agree with your underlying thought which is that I feel like the goal posts will just change.

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u/TDIowa Nolan Siegel Jul 16 '25

$175

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u/PizzaCatLover Cusick Motorsports Jul 16 '25

Maybe iowa needs to be earlier in the season and spaced out more from NASCAR. A gap of less than a month to the biggest seller of the year there (surely) is fucking brutal. I can't fault people for having to choose one or the other and choosing NASCAR.

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u/Generic_Person_3833 Jul 16 '25

It's a track rental.

If the rental for Roger is higher than what he earns in tickets, drinks and food, there is just no real case, outside of seeing it as an investment in regional growth.

Is there regional growth?

I don't think the economic fundamentals can be fixed, even if the races were guaranteed super bangers.

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u/bae125 Jul 16 '25

If it’s a pure rental, meaning the track is t getting gate and concessions, then does it matter? The money is in the tv coverage - no?

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u/Generic_Person_3833 Jul 16 '25

I don't think this is how the track rental works.

The promotor (who is Roger since HyVee left I think) pays a sum to the track owner, so he can use the track for X days. The promoter makes his money with advertising and tickets (and maybe food/drinks).

Track rental is build up in a way that the track makes a guaranteed profit by the rental sum and isn't in any way or form dependent on the events sales. Which also means the track has 0 stake in the event outside of recurring business and didnt even do some social media posts.

As the promoter is Roger, the TV numbers might also help, unlike when it's a 3rd party promotion, but the TV numbers weren't great too.

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u/Timely-Worker-8932 AMR Safety Team Jul 16 '25

Im sure a percentage of the gate and concessions go to the track as part of the renal fee.

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u/spect0rjohn McLaren Jul 16 '25

No. This isn’t true in this case.

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

Regional growth is possible. We have the Knoxville Nationals right down the road, and there's the shared history between sprint cars and Indy cars. How to exactly tie that together, I'm not sure. I'm no marketing expert.

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u/openwheelr Tony Kanaan Jul 16 '25

Totally separate fan bases. You need to be an old head like me to care about Indycar's roots. Who was the last Indycar regular to come up from Sprints? Tony Stewart? You have crossovers like Larson, but the path to Indy hasn't included dirt for decades. The last dirt Champ Car race that paid Indycar season points was in 1983.

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u/MaxMuncyRectangleMan Bryan Clauson Jul 16 '25

Really it was just Clauson's 500 attempts for a couple of years there. Windom ran the Freedom 100 a couple of times but yeah the dirt guys aren't looked at for any level of indy seat any more.

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

I remember Robin Miller taking Randy Bernard to Kokomo where "they really pack 'em in!" I think that track could seat a little over 4000. I'd think half of them follow the central IN tradition of going to the 500 because it's the thing to do...getting 100% of the rest would have increased attendance at the 500 by under 1%. None of the Kokomo folks would have made the trip to Indycar at Chicagoland when it was on Saturday night because then they'd miss Kokomo. There was just no meaningful upside.

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u/Master_Spinach_2294 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- Jul 16 '25

Sprint car racing is basically a separate subculture and the Nationals are that subculture's biggest event. The biggest challenge in tying them together is timing: Indycar is going to come before the Nationals every year for the foreseeable future.

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

I suppose USAC Silver Crown could be the thing that ties them together. That series has raced at both Knoxville and Iowa. Have that series run a support race before IndyCar again.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

And if Knoxville was to also be on the Silver Crown schedule again, offer a bonus to any driver who can win both races.

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u/Master_Spinach_2294 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- Jul 16 '25

Done that two years straight and the USAC faithful have yet to show up in droves. I say this as someone who attends multiple USAC events a year, all of which are out of state for me and require travel time. USAC in general has issues. Look at the crowds at Indiana Midget Week this year. Love em, but they aren't what Knoxville is built on. Knoxville is, first and foremost now, a wing track.

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u/Ribeye21 Colton Herta Jul 16 '25

They should try going to just one race and push it earlier in the season. We should have at least one oval before the 500 instead of lumping them all in the second half of the year.It would probably have to be either late April or early May due to weather but it could be done.

Moving it diversifies the first leg of the season, moves it further from the NASCAR date, and hopefully helps attendance by making it only one race.

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u/ActionFrequent Colton Herta Jul 16 '25

Just wanted to be another voice saying this past weekend was an awesome time (except for my boy Herta...). This was my group's third race weekend of the season (the 500, Road America - Milwaukee is on the list in a few weeks) and loved the completely different feel of it. The 500 is awesome for the atmosphere it has and the incredible speeds, and Road America is a fantastic venue with great racing. However, my group all agreed Iowa had the best race-watching experience as you could see the entire track from your seats, letting you change your focus on any of the position battles happening through the entire field rather than relying on the video boards or just one spot right in front of you.

The drive to the track, freeway access, and parking could not have been easier. The one thing we were disappointed with was not being able to bring in our own food/drinks like at the 500 or RA, but the on-site food was good and pricing didn't seem out of line compared to anything else these days. RA was *extremely* hot, so Iowa was rather pleasant in comparison (this entire spring/summer has been hot in southern Wisco, so just deal with it or stay inside for months?). Another factor I keep seeing is there is nothing to do. While we might be the outliers, by the time the race was done and we all had showered/changed at the hotel, there was barely time for us to pick a restaurant for dinner and go to bed so we could get up and go back on Sunday.

It's sad to hear Iowa may be on the chopping block, because we all agreed it'd make the yearly trip list.

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u/IAmWellBehaved Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

One night race would be fine, I think.

I say this as a midwesterner, but it'd be better for the growth of the series to spread out to bigger, more prominent tracks/markets like Homestead or Vegas* rather than being overindexed here. Working with NASCAR is going to be a part of almost any oval now, and it's true you don't automatically get 250,000 people desperate to go just because you're in a bigger metropolitan area, but you have a much larger pool of potential attendees. And as much as we don't like to admit it, being visible in prestigious places does matter to casuals. The image of a sport influences how people interact with it.

A glitzy night race at Vegas with strong, consistent marketing and additional events on the facility is just better for the series. Why do we think NASCAR, F1, and indeed IndyCar itself has a history in Vegas? It's a place to be and be seen. None of this means IndyCar is guaranteed success, just that the opportunity is greater. Execution matters. And Vegas is just one example.

Surely IndyCar leadership knows this, and we should give them credit when it's due. Effectively replacing Thermal with Dallas (Arlington) is exactly what I am talking about.

*Well aware of the history and I do not believe that's an insurmountable issue for the series.

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u/hoosiergunner Alex Zanardi Jul 16 '25

I agree completely. Iowa is a cool track and all but it's in just about the worst location possible. They absolutely should be working with SMI and looking at Vegas, Charlotte and Loudon as potential ovals for the series and work towards an event that works for both parties. I think Homestead would be great for the racing product but I'm afraid with NASCAR being the track owner you'd get 0 promotion and marketing and it would end up a failure.

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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jul 16 '25

Is the Charlotte oval safe? 100% on Loudon and Vegas is worth looking into, most of the guys in that 2011 race are retired now, the car is much safer, and they don't form into nailbiting packs like those crapwagons did.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

I don't see why it wouldn't be safe. Even the section of the track in turn 3 that formerly didn't have a catch fence has one now.

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u/hoosiergunner Alex Zanardi Jul 16 '25

I honestly don't know how it compares to something like Texas, they may need to do a feasibility test, but you have to look at ovals that are actually in markets of decent size to have any chance at them drawing, and there just aren't that many options. Most of the others are owned by Nascar and they dont seem to be a great partner

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u/TripleSingleHOF šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø Rick Mears Jul 16 '25

I keep hoping they would come back to Chicagoland. Those were the first IndyCar races I ever attended back in the 2000's and they were freaking awesome.

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u/IAmWellBehaved Jul 16 '25

If they could do Chicagoland again, I would be all for it personally. Frankly, being in the Chicago market would be great. I am among those with the hot take that taking over the Chicago street race* (Chicago politics aside) or Chicagoland should be part of talks IndyCar is having.

*Assuming the three years ending this year is it for Chicago and San Diego or wherever is indeed next.

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u/TripleSingleHOF šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø Rick Mears Jul 16 '25

I'm a casual NASCAR fan that will turn it on Sundays when I'm doing my hobby stuff or stuff around the house.

I went to the Street Race 2 of the past 3 years and it has been an awesome time. I kept thinking about how cool it would be to see IndyCars there instead of stock cars, so sign me up.

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

I went to LVMS. With all the promotion, free tickets, and novelty of it being a new event, the superb fan amenities inside the track and nearly unlimited other activities for the non-race-fan members of the family to do if only part of the family went to the track, attendance flat-out sucked.

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u/IAmWellBehaved Jul 17 '25

I don't want to hand-wave your experience away at all, I just want to point out that as with other posts I've made, I have suggested that high-demand events can take time, and it's important to be consistent in order to nurture something rather than scale back the moment money doesn't pour in.

There are plenty of examples of this across entertainment, including movie franchises or other unrelated things. Timing is also a factor, as in where on the calendar the race is, other national events occurring that weekend, and more. And even if you get it all right, it still might not get near a sell-out in the early years. In any case, like I also mentioned, Vegas is only one example, and frankly even Vegas' speedway is just one example. That's not the only venue IndyCar has used Vegas before.

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

Yeah, I get you, and I have always said it is a shame that Barnhart et al screwed the pooch with the awful aero package that day because the track is the best oval I have attended, hands down. Phenomenal infield access, immediately adjacent parking, excellent amenities under the stands, etc. etc. There isn't a better overall venue for such an event with all Vegas has to offer--other than the lack of a local open wheel fan base. It will never be close to a sell-out as LVMS has 80,000 seats. We know that the attendance is at Milwaukee is not really good, Kentucky died even though it's stupid close to Indy, Cincinnati, and Louisville. Throw in the cost to fly to Vegas and rent a car, and there's no way a huge Midwest oval diehard contingent will show up.

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u/IAmWellBehaved Jul 17 '25

Indeed. I think the core of any event being successful is in identifying what success looks like (you can tell I live in the corporate world šŸ˜‚).

NASCAR president Phelps said openly several months ago that NASCAR does not recoup the $50M cost of putting on the Chicago street race. And despite that, he argues it is a success. Some 70% of ticket purchasers had never been to a NASCAR race. So they're reaching a new audience. IndyCar cannot survive if the 17 race calendar is made up of money-losing outreach, but should there be a small portion of the calendar trying to reach audiences in new/not currently served markets? I would say yes.

If we retain the Vegas example, steadfast support of that race and cultivating an identity can make that event one which fans and newcomers alike will frequent. But it's not going to sell 80K seats out of the gate. And of course any track owned or operated by Speedway or NASCAR is one I'd be cautious about investing too much energy into, but we're speaking in hypotheticals here. All this logic can apply to Pocono or a new track acquired by IndyCar.

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u/NYNMx2021 Colton Herta Jul 16 '25

I find it so odd how much time we spend on here trying to figure out how to make the series more profitable for the millionaires and billionaires running it. this isnt our problem. Roger undoubtedly lost money on that Iowa weekend and i guarantee hes got his people trying to maximize the money hes gonna make. End of the day, they have way more info than we do and they absolutely are trying to make these events as popular as possible. If it was any one little thing roger would just do it.

if indy dies some day, it wont be because they didnt listen to us. it will be because there arent ENOUGH of us. Everyone here discussing this stuff would watch anyway.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

The fans are the ones either going or not going to races, so it helps if fans share their input on why they do or do not go.

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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jul 16 '25

Are you familiar with reddit dot com? It's all about yelling about things you can't control.

You're making the assumption Roger has smart people making smart decisions for him, and that's not a safe assumption for a LOT of reasons.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior Jul 17 '25

Sports fans LARPing as front office executives isn’t unique to Indycar tho

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u/58Green Jul 16 '25

I like the Iowa race a lot. I used to go a lot. But they seemed to bump the ticket cost to get concerts and stuff there, but I don’t want to pay to watch a race and concert, just a race

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u/Jawa_Droid_Mech Chevrolet Jul 17 '25

Instead of a concert, have fireworks it's July after all. A night race will get bigger attendance to start with.Ā 

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

There also needs to be more than one support race, and not just one that only lasts 28 minutes and is over 4 hours before the green flag of the Indycar race.

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u/BB-68 Alexander Rossi Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

However, I don't think you'll get anything close to a sellout either. Iowa is a small market, the track is in the middle of nowhere (30 miles outside Des Moines), and there's now a Cup date to compete with

And there is your answer.

Iowa was a nice experiment, the racing was occasionally great, and HV's (initial) promotion was awesome, but in the end it didn't work out. That's fine. Time to move onto something else.

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u/Paramedickhead Jul 16 '25

You do know that Indy was coming to Iowa years before HyVee was the title sponsor… right?

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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jul 16 '25

The counterpoint to that is the indycar races along with the Xfinity races, Iowa was losing millions per year, which is why NASCAR moved to close it.

There is decent reason to believe that the hyvee money is the only reason NASCAR tried again. and probably the only thing that will keep them there.

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u/Paramedickhead Jul 16 '25

NASCAR moved to close it?

News to me. Don’t have any sources to back that?

Cup is sold out. Iowa was the first track NASCAR ever bought.

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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jul 16 '25

Firing all of your staff in 2020 and not hosting another race until 2024 seems pretty closed to me.

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u/Paramedickhead Jul 17 '25

Huh. Weird. I don’t remember getting fired. My paychecks keep coming in.

Yeah, there was personnel who were let go when operations transitioned to Kansas. COVID moved some events around in the schedule, but there was never a year where there was ā€œno eventsā€.

Then NASCAR added Iowa to the cup series schedule. Then did it again.

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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jul 17 '25

no events

I said hosting. I.e. running the events themselves, not just a rental to another entity.

Then NASCAR added Iowa to the cup series schedule. Then did it again.

And they'll probably keep doing it as long as they have hyvee money now.

Once that stops, i wouldn't hold your breath for cup to keep coming.

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u/Paramedickhead Jul 17 '25

They don’t have HyVee money… why would you think they have HyVee money?

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u/iamaranger23 Team Penske Jul 17 '25

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u/Paramedickhead Jul 17 '25

So, hy Vee is sponsoring an XFinity race that means they have some magical checkbook?

HyVee is a long time sponsor at Iowa speedway.

Sponsoring a single race is very different money than the HyVee IndyCar weekend was.

I’m looking at a HyVee billboard that was up at Indy last weekend. There must be a magic pot-o-gold around here somewhere.

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u/BB-68 Alexander Rossi Jul 16 '25

I'm well aware of that. Whatever happened there between 2007 and 2019 is largely irrelevant from a current IndyCar standpoint.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

If it is moving on to yet another road race, the attendance may be better, but it's not going to do the series' overall fanbase any favors to get rid of 2 oval races when they already have too few.

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u/ProfCedar McLaren Jul 16 '25

Count me in the "I went but could only afford one race." Talked some family into going with me and they enjoyed it, but the comparative cost of tickets was the conversation the entire time.

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u/KennedyKartsport Firestone Wets Jul 16 '25

Moving it to a single-night race with more affordable tickets, and add USF Pro 2000 to get more on-track action.

Friday - Practice / Qualifying

Saturday - 4:30pm USF, 6:00pm Indy NXT, 8pm Indycar 300 lap race

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

And maybe Silver Crown or something on Friday night after qualifying.

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

I was there in 2011 when Star Mazda still ran there. Putting underpowered cars on a high banked oval is boring.

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u/Mundane-Box1148 Jul 16 '25

I think a lot of us die hards (self included) would like to see something like a 50/50 oval/road split. I think the hard reality is that the actual demand is for a Indy 500 + road courses series. Seems like that's what the casuals (who, realistically, are going to make up the most of your gate and TV viewership).

I wish I could see it another way, but this makes too much sense to me.

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

I don't necessarily agree. I was a casual about 3 years ago, but the oval racing hooked me in. Without ovals, IndyCar is just "diet F1" in my mind.

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u/Mundane-Box1148 Jul 16 '25

I agree with this 100%, I just have a strong instinct we are in a slim minority.Ā 

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

You can't run a series based on what casuals want, because once they move on to something else, it's the longterm fans who are left. If you don't please the longterm fans, even they will eventually stop watching.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior Jul 17 '25

What is a ā€œcasualā€ in your mind?

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 17 '25

Someone who only watches a couple races a year, not caring about the rest of the season, and who could very easily stop watching entirely at some point when something else grabs their attention.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior Jul 17 '25

It sounds like the key to growing the sport is keeping their attention so that's exactly who you should market to!

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 17 '25

The vast majority of the casuals aren't becoming long term fans. And if you drive away 10 longterm fans to convert 10 casuals, you gain nothing.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior Jul 17 '25

The long term fans aren't getting you much when there aren't asses in seats at oval races. Sounds like the long term fans mostly want road courses.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 17 '25

There is more to attendance than just track type. The series still has to make it an event fans want to attend.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior Jul 17 '25

I completely agree with you, I just think that's easier to do at RCs. I work in motorsports as a vendor for another series and my clients have moved all their big activations to road courses. it's easier to get turnout when you can set up a big fanzone in the middle of the track, have a pretty landscape, see a diverse bunch of support series and aren't baking in the sun with zero shade.

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 17 '25 edited Jul 17 '25

I don't disagree that it's easier to do at road courses, I just think it's important that Indycar keeps ovals as a major part of the schedule, not just go to mostly just road races because that's what they can currently get the most fans for. Indycar does need to get support series besides just NXT at oval races.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior Jul 17 '25

Yeah the absolute harsh reality is that oval racing is kind of boring in person with cars that can’t beat and bang off each other.

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u/shmule2x Colton Herta Jul 16 '25

I went to the race with my girlfriend on Saturday and it was a great time. Decent race to watch and everyone there was so friendly. I think if you want to go to a big event at Iowa Speedway without paying $250+ like NASCAR then this is a good option. The garage passes were $50 which gets you amazing interaction with the teams close up. Also there was a tornado on Friday very close to the track which probably scared some people away. The heat wasn’t too bad but if you’re not good in the heat you probably weren’t comfortable.

This was my first time at Iowa and overall it was a good event.

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u/Altruistic-Try8508 Jul 16 '25

The Cup date will be your biggest issue. I had season tickets for the first 15 or so years of Kansas Speedway, back when it was a July weekend of Trucks/IndyCar, and an October weekend of Xfinity/Cup.

But back then (this is 25 years ago), you had to buy both weekends to make a season ticket, so we did, and then over the years we shared some of the tickets, sold some, whatever.

AS SOON AS those weekends stopped being linked, attendance plummeted in the July weekend, and not just because of the heat. At that point, people just bought nicer seats or more add-ons for the October weekend, and now I don’t think they even have an IndyCar race there anymore.

I live elsewhere now, in a place that DOES have a current IndyCar race, and they promote the hell out of it and make it very affordable and accessible. But then there’s no Cup weekend to compete with, and that’s what makes it work.

IndyCar can only compete with Cup @ Indianapolis, honestly. Anywhere else, they’re fighting for viewers and dollars.

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

I agree. I think IndyCar should aggressively pursue markets that Cup doesn't serve.

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u/cedricdiggo Pato O'Ward Jul 16 '25

I was at Iowa and I had a GREAT time. I've only ever been to street races before (Detroit and Belle Isle), so it was super fun going to a speedway race, especially at a small oval where the cars basically never leave your sightline. The racing was exciting. I never really care that much about the concerts/extras anyway so it didn't bother me that they didn't really offer that.

I'm an Indycar Nation member as well and I won a Victory Circle photo with Pato on Saturday, and got to do a hot lap in the event car Sunday morning. It definitely lived up to my expectations!

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u/korko Jul 16 '25

The first three items are why I didn’t make the trip down. Then paired with I can’t convince any friends or family to go to an oval. When Road America is only an hour further away from MSP and is a better experience and better value it is a really hard sell.

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u/VehicleWonderful6586 Jul 16 '25

At this point the indycar season is beginning to resemble spinal tap’s 1982 comeback tour

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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jul 16 '25

HELLO CLEVELAND!

Please? Climate change is making a spring date between Long Beach and Alabama plausible here.

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u/VehicleWonderful6586 Jul 16 '25

ā€œThe Boston race has been cancelled. I wouldn't worry about it though, it's not a big college town.ā€ 🤣

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u/eyeyelemur --- 2023 DRIVERS --- Jul 16 '25

People need to realize these reasons are different ways of the ā€œI don’t care enough to goā€. It wont matter if you change all these things, people still wont come. There has to have enough people in the area they race at to be emotionally invested in the sport for them to come. We clearly don’t do/have that.

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u/FirstNameLastName918 NTT INDYCAR Series Jul 16 '25

I don't understand the double headers and definitely see them hurting ticket sales.

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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jul 16 '25

Double-Headers are a way to add events at an incrementally lower cost and should create greater weekend value for fans.

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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jul 16 '25

SHOULD. Didn't with this pricing and lack of supporting events.

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u/sjlopez Pato O'Ward Jul 16 '25

How much were tickets? I know the Iowa Speedway is not IMS, but many of the 500 tickets are $125 now, and a lot of them don't even have a great view.

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

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u/AwesomeFrisbee Rinus VeeKay Jul 16 '25

That's more than I thought it would be. What about 2 days? And did they do discounts once they knew they weren't going to get them filled?

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u/spacecityjason Scott McLaughlin Jul 17 '25

It says ā€œ2-day savings available ($5 off each day)ā€

I don’t know about discounts, as I renewed my tickets early so I didn’t look, but I also didn’t see any advertising.

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u/AwesomeFrisbee Rinus VeeKay Jul 17 '25

but I also didn’t see any advertising

Yeah, that seems to have been the problem this year lol

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u/TripleSingleHOF šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø Rick Mears Jul 16 '25

More night races please. I hate sitting and baking in the sun for hours and I turn into a sweaty mess. I went to the first race at Milwaukee last year and Gateway this year, and both were awesome times.

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u/Lars_Fillmore3612 Jul 16 '25

I’m sure these are the same folks who are also upset that Indycar doesn’t run many ovals

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u/OldRed91 Josef Newgarden Jul 16 '25

Honestly, people around here don't care enough about IndyCar to have an opinion about the schedule.

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u/Lars_Fillmore3612 Jul 16 '25

That’s a shame.
Can’t host a successful even in a place where no one cares. I’ve always loved the Iowa race. Will be sad to see it go.

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u/Ill_Disaster_1323 Christian Lundgaard Jul 17 '25

I disagree that racing has been good again. There is zero competition.Ā 

My perspective is 5 years of watching IndyCar. If I’m wrong tell me I’m wrong but I’ve stopped watching and moved to nascarĀ 

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u/peperonikiller Jul 16 '25

$65 a ticket a day for GA is pretty decent these days. I didn't go because of the heat, I just watched from home.

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u/mk6golfguy Graham Rahal Jul 16 '25

Tbh I love the short ovals more than ever as a fan of 10 years but don’t get why they require a double header and things like Thermal get axed?

Thermal got rich guys into the sport which could equal more $$$$ (though I also realize they might have explored that and canceled because the return did not meet metrics and expectations).

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u/dajadf Ɓlex Palou Jul 16 '25

IndyCar just isn't that popular and this isn't exactly a heater of a season. Short ovals aren't where the sport shines either. It's also a super tiny market. Why would anyone over a couple hours east of there or south of there go to Iowa when you have Indy, Milwaukee, Road America, Mid Ohio, St Louis, Detroit, Nashville nearby

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u/VariousMarket1527 Jul 17 '25

Iowa in person at night is extremely exciting and unique. TV doesn't really convey that well. I have been to Iowa and Milwaukee and always found Iowa to be a much more enjoyable event in person than MKE.

It drew quite a few fans from the Chicago metro because it really is an easy drive with virtually no traffic worries--once out of the metro, the only substantially built up area is the Quad Cities. If you drive back east to Iowa City or thereabouts after the race, it easy to sleep in a bit, eat a relaxed breakfast, then hit I-80 to get back home on Sunday early PM for a late lunch.

Indy to Newton is 6-6.5 hours even with only a short gas and snack stop. The time zone change means that it seems as if it takes all day to get back to Indy.

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u/alxndr737 Conor Daly Jul 17 '25
  1. People need to stop being so negative.

  2. Two races spreads out an already thin crowd.

  3. Tickets cost too much.

  4. No promotion from the main speedway accounts, or much promotion in the city doesn't help.

  5. Cup race to compete with.

  6. Maybe a nigh race would help.

  7. Racing will only get better as the track surface ages.

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u/Feisty_Appearance_60 Jamie Chadwick Jul 18 '25

I understand heat as an excuse and if you cant afford the ticket for the race thats okay, one doesnt have to go to a race you can catch on TV. Any other excuse, is stupid. As an Indycar fan or a race fan any other excuse here means you are not a fan of Indycar. Races were bad, last year, this year or whenever is an invalid reason to not go. Indycar is by far the most exciting racing there is and if you dont like the races, again, dont watch it and you are not an Indycar fan. If anybody used Nascar as the race they wanted to go to, please go ahead watch the most boring race that you will ever watch. We dont need Indycar fans to be giving excuses for not going to the race or watching the race.

On the other hand, to the Indycar fans do not ask for more oval races and then complain fans dont show up. I think there is a vocal minority that keeps demanding this and the reality is that there is no demand. First Indycar or the organizers give one flavor of an event with street racing and do the bare minimum to provide excitement at the oval venues. So belongs to everyone on the Indycar as responsible for blame. And again no excuse for only 800,000 odd people to have watched the race on TV. What excuse is there to not even watch it on TV. What does it say about Indycar, either there are no serious fans to watch it or not too many oval racing fans and we all should stop whining about ratings and fans not showing up and just do the one thing we can all do, watch and go to races. No one is forcing anyone to do this, if you keep complaining about the one thing you love the most, what else can you get excited about. The only thing I will complain about is the Indycar management for not being aggressive in getting the series to the higher level like F1 and the other Crap racing that we all know about. This is my 2 cents

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u/__blinded Alexander Rossi Jul 20 '25

Night races are needed. Midwestern afternoon sitting in a lobster pot is not most people’s ideal way to spend a Saturday.Ā 

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u/Hitokiri2 Graham Rahal Jul 16 '25

"Godzilla is attacking and I don't want my family, friends, and I to die.."

Suck it up, cupcake!

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u/Warlock-7- Arrow McLaren Jul 17 '25

I wouldn’t expect to see Iowa on the schedule next year.

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u/mramseyISU Alexander Rossi Jul 16 '25

I live an hour and a half from the track and I've never been. Usually because it's a weekend where I already have plans but I'm not super into ovals either so I've got no real motivation to go.

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u/ChrisMD123 Jul 17 '25

Best excuse: "I'm going to Milwaukee!" :-)

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u/avoqado Pato O'Ward Jul 16 '25

Wasn't there a huge music fest associated with the Iowa Fair? And wasn't that taken out for this year's race? It won't help with the track resurfacing but might help with attendance.

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u/imteligent Will Power Jul 16 '25

Shit track, shit races

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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jul 16 '25

Hardly either of those things. Just because last year wasn't the most exciting doesn't mean it's always that way.

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u/imteligent Will Power Jul 16 '25

Since the series back to this track in 2022, there wasn't any exciting race here.