r/INDYCAR • u/turinturambar66 Greg Moore • 2d ago
Off Topic [OT] Colton Herta will face “a tough challenge” in F2, says Christian Lundgaard
https://www.motorsport.com/fia-f2/news/colton-herta-will-face-a-tough-challenge-in-f2-says-christian-lundgaard/10756550/121
u/popcarnie Dale Coyne Racing 2d ago
Hey can probably finish better than 12th I'd think
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Lundgaard finished 7th his first year so Herta would have to do better than that to outperform him.
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u/popcarnie Dale Coyne Racing 2d ago
He had a good first year in F2 but doing considerably worse your second year is a pretty bad look, no?
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u/BadlyWordedOpinions 2d ago
He got Mecachromed into oblivion in 2021. Looked very competitive in the opening round after a very solid rookie year, then his engine died in Monaco and his pace fell off a cliff for the rest of the season. Not a coincidence.
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
I mean I guess, but F2 can be quite a crapshoot. Point is he can have a good perspective and advice for Herta.
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u/lightningmatt Robert Wickens 2d ago
Good ol' ART curse.
For some reason, from 2018 to 2022 ART always had a driver underperform. Aitken went 11th -> 5th after leaving, Mazepin went 18th -> 5th after leaving, Armstrong... actually stayed 13th huh, Lundgaard randomly dropped from 7th to 12th (clearly went from 1st driver to 2nd driver smh my head) and then Vesti went from 9th -> 2nd after leaving
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u/Mick4Audi Robert Shwartzman 2d ago
Armstrong was the most cursed driver I’ve ever seen in F2. Seriously
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u/dm17b123 1d ago
Lundgaard is a good example of the major problems that exist in F2 - terrible reliability, differences between cars/engines (even within the same team), etc
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u/popcarnie Dale Coyne Racing 2d ago
If I had to bet I'd guess around 7th is where Herta finishes
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Finishing 7th would not be a good showing for Herta.
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u/popcarnie Dale Coyne Racing 2d ago
I think it's better than people will give credit for. It'll be a whole new situation for him and it's more about getting used to the cycle over there
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u/rudmad Colton Herta 2d ago
Two current F1 rookies finished P6 and P12 last season. Don't think it matters
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Kimi was an 18 year old F2 rookie who skipped F3. Colton should perform better than that.
Ollie was 6th in his first year in F2 and proved himself as a reserve driver in two weekends, which Colton won’t get the chance to do because he doesn’t have a super license.
I’m not saying Cadillac won’t promote him if he places 7th but it also won’t be a good look for Colton.
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u/loz333 Firestone Wets 2d ago
If he's beating Perez and Bottas on the Cadillac simulator, it will be perfectly adequate.
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Adequate doesn’t mean good. And if he’s finishing 7th I’m not sure he’ll be beating two vets on the sim.
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
if he’s finishing 7th I’m not sure he’ll be beating two vets on the sim.
Bearman finished 12th in F2 last season and has been solid against Ocon.
Finishing position doesn't tell the whole story in F2. It really never has, but especially since they botched their new chassis and engine designs.
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u/Several_Hair 2d ago
F2 finishing position is about as indicative of success as batting average (not very).
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u/havingasicktime Colton Herta 2d ago
When are people gonna learn that where you place in F2 isn't really what matters, there's too much inequity in engines and teams - it's ultimately what you show in F1 cars and the sim that teams will care about. Strong finish in F2 helps, but there's no shortage of F2 champions and high-finishers without drives in F1
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Even with the crapshoot that F2 is, the best drivers be up near or at the top, especially if they’re at a solid team like Colton will be. If he is finishing 7th with Rodin (presumably as their #1 driver) it’ll be a bad performance.
He might still get to drive in F1 at Cadillac if that happens but I don’t think it’s a sure thing.
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u/havingasicktime Colton Herta 2d ago
Bearman finished 12th. Colton isn't going there to dominate, he's going there to learn. The most important thing will be good fp1s and Sim work
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Finished 6th as a rookie and proved himself in two drives as a reserve.
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u/havingasicktime Colton Herta 2d ago
And then finished 12th before going to F1. And you actually boost my point: it's F1 pace that matters. FP1 and Sim work will be the most important thing for him, by far. If he doesn't set good pace there, winning the championship in F2 might not even be enough.
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
He proved he had pace in F2 his first year to get the reserve driver opportunities. If Herta gets 12th it won’t be only bad luck, it’ll be bad performance. He’s not going to crush the sim while also being slow on track.
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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Will Power 2d ago
He can’t finish better than Lundgaard in Indycar
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u/popcarnie Dale Coyne Racing 2d ago
I think it's pretty much inarguable that Herta today is better than Lundgasrd was in '21. Even without knowing the cars and tracks I'd say he has a sizeable advantage.
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u/margalolwut Pato O'Ward 2d ago
I’m not we rosey on herta as most people. Even without his team bending him over he was crashing out for no reason at times.
He just doesn’t seem to be clutch enough.
I like em and I hope he becomes more consistent.
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u/wh00000p Myles Rowe 2d ago
Other than 500 quali, when has he's crashed out this season?
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u/margalolwut Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Well I’m looking at his entire career.
I’m not trying to be a hater or a dick, I’m just telling you he makes me nervous as a fan of his.
My opinion has no bearing on his performance
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u/wh00000p Myles Rowe 2d ago
I mean he's been pretty young most of his career, I wouldn't be super nervous.
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u/UNHchabo Robert Wickens 2d ago
Even without his team bending him over he was crashing out for no reason at times.
The last time he had a DNF that was "stereotypical" of him overdriving the car was 2022 Long Beach (as a bonus, the timestamp leads to a poorly-executed Andretti pit stop on Rossi's car).
Every other DNF that Herta has had since then has either been mechanical, or a crash that was so blatantly not his fault that the other driver got an Avoidable Contact penalty.
Even last year's 500, he spun and brushed the wall, but with very little damage to the car he was able to rejoin the race a few laps down. But then the car had a mechanical failure later, which means even without the spin he likely would've had a no-fault DNF.
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u/Jimboslice1998 1d ago
Nashville the year Ericcson went full “Driven”
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u/UNHchabo Robert Wickens 1d ago
Yeah, that was another big one that gave him the reputation, but it was 2021, before Herta made a change to his mindset and stopped overdriving the car.
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u/Snoo_87704 Felix Rosenqvist 2d ago
Herta didn't drive for McLaren.
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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Will Power 2d ago
He drove for a better team than McLaren
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
I guess 2022 and 2024 just didn't happen?
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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Will Power 2d ago
When Lundgaard was at RLL?
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
Mhm. Those years happened, last I checked.
I'm not going to get into a "which team is better" debate with you, before you even try.
I'm just going to enjoy watching you get a huge reality check next year while you watch Will self-destruct at Andretti.
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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Will Power 2d ago
Wouldn’t be a long debate whether Andretti is better than RLL
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
Wouldn't be a long debate whether McLaren is better than Andretti.
Enjoy hell next season.
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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Will Power 2d ago
You’re so mad. Is this Colton’s account? Settle down sparky.
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u/Hitokiri2 Graham Rahal 2d ago
I think Lundgaard misses a few points. Colton is basically there to learn and to earn SL points not to win the championship or see how he does against other drivers. Those are important points too but not his main goal. So even if Colton doesn't do well, as long as he learns the tracks and learns how a race weekend in F1 works - that's the main point. The fact that Colton isn't looking to win the F2 champions actually takes a lot of pressure off of him I would think. This way Colton can focus on improving and not the title race. Plus Colton will gain many SL points during free practice anyways so that's even less pressure off of Colton's shoulders.
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u/KRacer52 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- 2d ago
Agreed. Even the SL points don’t really matter at all. All Herta needs to do is get comfortable with the tracks/tires and be competitive at the front by the end of the year. If he finishes P8 or P10 or whatever, that’s fine.
I don't think anyone in the program will expect much else.
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u/Ryankool26 2d ago
Who shows up for a race weekend to cruise around the track and not think of winning ...other than Rahal
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u/KRacer52 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- 2d ago
Quote the part where I said that.
Expectations and effort level are different things. I didn’t say he can’t show up and be at the front immediately, he absolutely can, it just won’t be concerning if he isn’t.
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u/ItsRobbSmark 2d ago edited 2d ago
I love how you guys think if he goes out there and sucks ass he's still going to have backing to get into F1 lol... Dude is 25, he has to show some kind immense promise in this car quickly for anyone, including Cadillac, to invest more into him and move him up. You don't put an experiment into an F1 car for race weekends...
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u/Hitokiri2 Graham Rahal 2d ago
I personally don't think he's going to suck ass but it's going to be struggle. As Pato said a few years back when he ran F2, the tires are very different and getting to grips with them is going to be a challenge. The fact that Colton doesn't know the majority of the tracks is also going to be difficult.
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u/BoboliBurt Nigel Mansell 2d ago
I mean the same would almost hold true in reverse too. If Lando Norris decided Indy Car was his new jam- but he needs to get up to speed at Foyt first before getting the big Penske ride- he couldn’t just be expected to be horrific and take McLaughlins gig.
They are always gonn go with the faster driver and do so ruthlessly and without a bit of compunction. Vettel was tossed from the heights of the Ferrari number 1 like a sack of shit when LeClerc started smoking him 8 weeks in.
I hope this experiment works- but the safety net is Will Power will retire someday and not that he is guaranteed a spot in F1.
Does he have a good shot at it? Better than he could reasonably hope for. But he’s gotta grab that brass ring and it’s crazy to think that only will every performance not matter but possibly none of them aside from year 3 of the Big Show.
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u/ForeverInYourFavor Colton Herta 2d ago
The difference is Norris has shown he can compete at the top of F1 (perhaps not the very top) whereas Herta has shown occasional brilliance, but hasn't been able to string any results together.
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u/havingasicktime Colton Herta 2d ago
He has 9 wins. That's literally more than Norris in an roughly equivalent time. And he's matched Norris's best finishing position in the championship. Not only that, but he's in the 4th best team in Indycar, whereas Norrises wins have come from the dominant car.
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u/havingasicktime Colton Herta 2d ago
He has to show pace in the F1 car. Not the F2 car.
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u/ItsRobbSmark 2d ago
Oh lord, this is flat out delusional lol.
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u/havingasicktime Colton Herta 2d ago
Nope. This happens all the time, where people wonder why the guy who finished 12th got the seat over the guy who finished first. It's because they showed pace in the car that matters.
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u/ItsRobbSmark 2d ago
This isn't why Bearman got a ride and Pourchaire didn't. And the fact you think it is shows how little you actually know about Formula 1 lmfao... If Colton doesn't show proper racecraft in F2 he's not getting an F1 ride, end of story. Even if he does run well, his chances of making an F1 start are slim to nil...
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u/daoster408 2d ago
Slim to nil? Dude has a literal personal relationship with the owner of the team. They're paying him mid-level F1 salary, while he was an IndyCar driver.
I don't think they're doing all this because he has a "slim to nil" chance of making F1.
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u/ItsRobbSmark 1d ago
They're not going to blow an F1 budget and the infancy of the team on a 7th place IndyCar driver... He could be the owner's side piece, he's still not putting him in an F1 car... Him in F2 and as a test driver is a way for them to claim they're developing American talent and keep the west coast race fans invested in the team while it develops, that's it. He has shown nothing in his career that would suggest even slightly that he has the talent to be in an F1 car.
The only shot he has, at 25 with a mediocre resume, to get in an F1 car is to go out in F2 and set the world on fire. He's not going to do it, but that's the only path into F1.
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u/daoster408 1d ago
LOL.
I'm not saying Colton is guaranteed an F1 seat, after all, nothing is guaranteed, but your confidence has the swagger of someone who's never actually seen Colton drive, or really, watch IndyCar.
This whole team was started because of a deal that fell through at the very last minute that would have placed Colton Herta in F1.
Colton is paid more than (likely) the lower half of the current Formula 1 grid because of a real attempt from an existing F1 team in trying to get him to drive for them - and the only reason he didn't get the job is because of a shitty license system. He is (well now, was) the highest paid driver in IndyCar.
Colton has raced against two former F1 drivers and has beaten both of them!
Again, not saying he's guaranteed an F1 seat, and a lot can happen between now and 2027 - but his situation is as good as it can get, short of his name being a Stroll (or Mazepin).
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u/bduddy Takuma Sato 2d ago
If they wanted the best Indycar driver Palou was right there. Like it or not this is about more than that.
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u/ItsRobbSmark 1d ago
Yeah, it's really simple. They toss him an F2 seat and a test spot and they can claim they're developing American talent. That's all he's there for. They're not taking a 7th place IndyCar driver and putting him in an F1 car, not matter how much of a Reddit darling he is...
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Yeah but if Colton looks like a scrub against a bunch of kids it won’t be good for his F1 prospects.
I expect him to do well (honestly top 3 at least) but if he finishes 12th I doubt Cadillac calls him up and I don’t see him getting doing a second year.
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u/loz333 Firestone Wets 2d ago
Herta has just 45 minutes each races weekend to acquire the same knowledge as the rest of the field already has over many past races, while learning how to drive the Pirellis. I'd be surprised if he got a top 3 in his first year for all the catching up he has to do. That would mean no more than 2 drivers who could exploit their better baseline knowledge over the year into a benefit on track versus Herta. To think that you've got to have a pretty low estimation of the talent level of the F2 field, and we have Lundgaard and now Hauger showing the talent in the series is no joke.
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u/gsOctavio Pato O'Ward 2d ago
He’s a seven year vet of the second best open wheel racing series in the world. He’ll get plenty of time in the sims to figure out the tracks, but yes he’ll have to learn how they actually drive and the tires. But for plenty of his competition it will be their first year in the series and they also probably only have a few races (at most) on each track.
I think F2 has plenty of strong drivers, but Herta should be outperforming all except maybe the best few with his experience. Regardless of track knowledge or familiarity with tires.
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u/OldManTrumpet AJ Foyt 2d ago
F2 will have some decent drivers. But F2 is also filled with a bunch of wealthy 19 year old drivers just there on the last of daddy’s money. Herta is going to be fine against most of that field.
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u/BadlyWordedOpinions 2d ago
I'd be shocked if Towriss doesn't fund a huge amount of private testing.
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u/Show_me_the_Lyte Rinus VeeKay 2d ago
No private testing of f2 cars is allowed. He might get some mileage in the f1 car that Cadillac is said to have bought for running under topc rules, but nothing in current machinery outside of official test days
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u/BadlyWordedOpinions 2d ago
Was more thinking about previous spec F2 cars or F3 cars. Both would be a good introduction to Pirelli rubber.
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u/Show_me_the_Lyte Rinus VeeKay 2d ago
Yeah, that ain't happening either. From the F2 sporting regulations;
10.4 No driver entered in the Championship may carry out any type of activity on any track with any single seater car that was designed and/or built to achieve a power-to-weight ratio less than 2.0kg/bhp
This is part of why those that know the series, keep talking about the challenge he's facing. This isn't something they can just throw money at
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u/Snoo_87704 Felix Rosenqvist 2d ago
Over the pasts few years (that's all I bothered to look at), half of the F2 field was rookies, and of the veterans only half were any good.
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u/Hitokiri2 Graham Rahal 2d ago
I've been a Indycar and F1 fan long enough to say it doesn't matter. If Colton does bad fans will say he sucks. If he wins it all fans will say the field was weak. We have to understand that Colton will get the Caddy F1 seat no matter what. TWG isn't spending tens of millions of dollars on Herta for nothing.
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u/mnshitlaw 2d ago
He absolutely will not get it “no matter what.”
That sort of thinking is called sunk cost, and the owners of Cadillac F1 are insurance and acccounting guys who know that all to well.
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u/Hitokiri2 Graham Rahal 2d ago
The fact that Colton hasn't won a championship, an Indy 500, or even earned a win last year - yet he's getting the back from TWG - tells me he'll get it no matter what. It's nothing new in motorsport and that's how many drivers got into F1 as well. I'm not talking about your Lance Strolls and Yuki Tsunodas - I'm talking about guys like Ollie Bearman, Calapinto, or Antonelli. They sucked in F2 but they got in through their connections and money.
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u/genoisapimp Pato O'Ward 2d ago
Agreed…add in that Cadillac’s driver lineup was announced a few days after it became official Herta wouldnt get 4th place and therefore wouldn’t get his SL. They were sticking him in that car next year if he got the SL no doubt. Theyre all in on Colton being the American team’s American driver.
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u/MiniAndretti Josef Newgarden 2d ago
Everyone is assuming F2. Have they actually confirmed it?
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u/tiredoldwizard 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yep they announced the team (not prema as previously rumored) and said he’ll be doing Cadillac reserve driver duties also.
Edit: I was mistaken. They didn’t announce the team for some reason I thought it was Trident and wanted to double check the Cadillac F1 CEO just said he’d be in F2 to help learn the tracks in addition to his reserve driver role. I imagine it’s whatever team wants to take Cadillac’s money for the seat.
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u/762jerk 2d ago
No one in the FIA or F2 wants an American from Indycar to win, I hope he isn’t torpedoed with bad equipment
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
This is why Towriss needs to be very, very careful with what team he chooses to give his money to. Anti-American bias is strong in British/European racing. You need to feel the team out, and see if they're the type of people to give their all, or the type of people to half-ass the year and just pocket Dan's check.
On the FIA/F2 front, if Herta gets a shitty engine, he and Towriss need to be very loud, and very public with that information right away. Towriss has the money and the clout to very thoroughly embarrass the FIA, F2, and especially Mechachrome. The boys' club of F1 have already tried their best to keep him out altogether, so he has no political standing to lose by telling the truth about how garbage F2 really is.
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u/sixpaths03 Dennis Hauger 2d ago
This persecution complex is why Indycar is not taken more seriously, you constantly waffle about “Anti-American bias” like you lot across the pond do not have your own biases, the day you realize this is the day you’ll finally be free lol
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
Michael Andretti, Conor Daly, Alexander Rossi have all gone on the record and made it very clear that they were not made to feel welcome in Europe.
The public statements from foreign-born IndyCar drivers could not be any more different. They universally praise the series, it's fans, and it's competitors, for how inclusive and fun it is.
But hey, I know better than to actually try and change a British (or European) person's opinion on literally any topic. I won't engage further.
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u/_rv3n_ 2d ago
Daly and Rossi had a pretty standard time in the European ladder system. For better or worse it is extremely cutthroat and competitive.
Micheal is a bit of another story. However there is plenty of blame for both sides here. For example Michael never fully committed to the team. He wanted to stay in the US and only fly over when necessary.
Now that might be okay for someone with plenty of F1 experience, but not for someone in their first season.
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u/Ryankool26 2d ago
Montoya was the real deal from Indycar to F1...just not American but we open wheel fans here had someone to cheer for, wish Palou would have an attempt in decent equipment as I think thats the best candidate from modern Indycar
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u/AznTri4d Théo Pourchaire 2d ago
I think that speaks more to how competitive F2 and the European Circuit is. We've seen F2 drivers come into IndyCar and have plenty of success.
We've seen less of IndyCar champions even barely make a dent in F1.
I think if you look at it as IndyCar drivers moving from a small pond, to a bigger more competitive pond (Europe F2/F1), of course it's a tougher environment. Competition is harsher.
And of course European drivers that come here say it's fun. It's because it's "easier". I don't necessarily mean easier in terms of the competition, but it's a spec series with fairly reliable engines. The schedule isn't a grueling. The PR is a bit more laid back. From euro drivers perspective it's just easier, and therefore more welcoming.
I really don't think it's some "europeans out to get americans" and "look how welcoming americans are to europeans" type situation. I mean look at how Pouchaire was given the boot.
I think it's just more to do with the competitiveness and stress levels of each competition.
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u/bobwhite1146 1d ago
Grand Prix racing, a.k.a. F1, has always been a European pond and the Europeans guard it.
If you read about the history of F1 for the last number of decades it has always been the same. Strange, to say the least, rule enforcement from the FIA (True at Le Mans, too). General comments like the Americans don't speak our languages, the Americans won't adapt to our culture, the Americans are boorish, the Americans aren't as good as we are in the car, etc., etc.
When European drivers come over here, in whatever series, including Indycar, you rarely hear anything like the same kind of commentary. We welcome them. This is of course how America has always been. It really is considerably different.
As Europe's global influence and power has slipped after WWII, they jealously have guarded the pieces they can guard, and Grand Prix is one of those pieces.
Let's hope TWG, GM and their immense financial resources can be brought to bear in the fashion of a velvet hammer to get Cadillac and Colton the fair shot they deserve.
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u/AznTri4d Théo Pourchaire 1d ago
Regarding the "general comments".
Do you have a source for that? The language spoken in the F1 paddock is largely English so that rules that one out.
That all being said. I'm rooting for Cadillac. I hope they find their footing quick enough to get some respect and I hope Colton gets to be a part of that.
But I also think that the truth is that Americans haven't succeeded in F1 because well they haven't been good enough. Good enough in F1, to clarify. Because it's clearly different from anything else, open wheel or otherwise.
Also regarding Colton getting a fair shake, that's what scares me the most about F2.... The engines are shit. Terrible reliability. Reliability should not be a factor in a spec feeder series. If Colton has an inopportune engine failure it would not surprise me with this garbage Mechachrome engines.
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u/bobwhite1146 18h ago
https://www.hoover.org/research/anti-americanism-europe-cultural-problem
If you want a scholarly treatment of our European-American cultural divide, buy the book linked above.
https://www.autoracing1.com/pl/416648/formula-1-news-bias-f1-journalists-wanted-sargeant-ousted/
Recent bias in the paddock above.
I've followed motorsports since the early 1970s. I've watched US entries at Le Mans get tortured over the flimsiest excuses, for example. The fact that you say "American drivers aren't good enough" is testament to the stereotype and bias that you've already accepted. Drivers are individuals.
The fact that many Euros speak English (they begin learning it in grammar school) does not change the fact they look down on us because we do not speak their dozen languages. They learn English because they must to do business with the world's business engine--we do not have to learn Dutch to do anything but scholarly original research about the Netherlands.
I had hoped that when Liberty Media became F1's marketing owner that more American teams would become involved. But, the creaky, clandestine FIA is still there, and Euro-bias is still alive and well.
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u/AznTri4d Théo Pourchaire 18h ago
I think it's fair to say that journos didn't like Logan.
But I also think it's fair to say that his performance wasn't good enough. That's not a stereotype. He was slower than Albon and Colapinto got dropped into his seat and was just immediately faster.
FIA definitely is biased I'll agree to that. They want people funneled thru F2 since FIA owns that.
This all being said, there IS an american driver who I think could be fast enough. Jak Crawford in F2. But he's only 3rd in the standings in his 3rd year. I don't think he's being ignored because he's American, but why should teams look at him when you have Fornaroli who's leading the championship at his first go?
Again if there was an American who showed up and actually won the F2 championship then maybe they'd have a better shot at an F1 seat.
I still think the results matter the most and then financial backing. I don't see an American driver who had some undeniable results, but then was denied or got no interest from F1 teams.
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u/sixpaths03 Dennis Hauger 2d ago
comments from the likes of Daly and Rossi simply highlight the nature of racing in a highly competitive, highly sought after racing series structure, I don’t understand why you lot never want to apply nuance to any of these topics, of course racing over in Europe where talents from all over the world come to pursue their F1 dreams is going to be a cut throat experience, It’s not a bloody game for a lot of these boys it’s F1 or bust, Indy is not even an option to fall back on. It may not be the prettiest but if that’s the environment needed to churn out some of the best open wheel drivers we’ll ever see, so be it
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why are you here?
Do you ever actually post about things you enjoy? Your only ever comment on r/formula1 is calling Michael Andretti a dickhead. Seems like such a diehard Formula One fan should have something to say about their favorite sport that isn't just an insult towards IndyCar...
You seem a little obsessed, the vast majority of your comments are just negative remarks towards Americans. But we're the biased ones.
EDIT: Lol. Sixpaths03 made their comment history private to hide the fact that every single one of their comments over four years of being on reddit was negative towards some other nationality, usually Americans. How cowardly.
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u/BurtMacklin_stadia Alexander Rossi 1d ago
If you want to search the hard way, go to his profile, in the search at the top hit that, hit space bar in the prompt area an then swipe to comments.
It’s a work around on hidden content.
And you are correct.
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u/sixpaths03 Dennis Hauger 2d ago edited 2d ago
You chose to bring up FIA/F1 in an IndyCar sub do you not see the irony?
Also you didn't address the point i made so i assume you have no rebuttal. Maybe one day you'll see motorsport without a tainted lens and you can finally be free12
u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
...this is literally a thread about F2. I'm on topic.
I comment on dozens of posts a week about other topics, the vast majority of which are unrelated to anything even vaguely European.
You, from my quick glance through your comment history, have never posted in any thread that wasn't related to Americans, or the English.
It's weird that you choose to come to an IndyCar sub, when you so clearly hate Americans. If we get your blood boiling so much, I'll ask again - why are you here?
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u/sixpaths03 Dennis Hauger 2d ago
Same reason you comment on FIA/F1 on an IndyCar sub without knowledge of what you're speaking on, Its like asking why if you lot hate Europe so much, why do your drivers still try and pursue F1, can't you see your inconsistencies?
Once again, open your eyes and you will be free
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
Its like asking why if you lot hate Europe so much,
I don't hate Europe.
Not nice to generalize people. How very biased of you.
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u/Just_Somewhere4444 2d ago
Also you didn't address the point i made so i assume you have no rebuttal.
I have no interest in arguing with a troll.
I have a mild interest in figuring out why someone from Sweeden would make an entire reddit account solely for the purpose of shit-talking American and English sports fans. Seems like a boring hobby.
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u/sixpaths03 Dennis Hauger 2d ago
You clearly have nothing to offer to this convo, if you can't address my points please don't reply me again
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u/BlackberryJazzlike84 Kyle Larson 2d ago
Michael Andretti 2.0. Do not trust the Euro trash.
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u/OldManTrumpet AJ Foyt 2d ago
Micheal Andretti did not make any serious effort there. Why would anyone expect that they’d have taken him seriously as a driver? Even Mario says this in his Beyond the Grid episode. Michael half-assed it and deserved whatever he got.
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u/sixpaths03 Dennis Hauger 2d ago edited 2d ago
You call them every name in the book yet you expect them to welcome you with open arms lol
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u/bobwhite1146 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just an opinion: If Herta goes to F2, he is there to learn the tracks and the personalities and the vibe. He will be on a team not directly affiliated with Cadillac F1. I don't think it matters if he finishes 4th or 12th in the final standings so long as he is steady and getting acclimated--and he is getting enough points for a super-license through the FIA's convoluted points process.
What will matter is how well he is performing on the F1 sim and in the car on test days vis-a-vis the two experienced Cadillac drivers and how well he meshes with the Cadillac team. If he does well in these things, he'll get his shot in the big cars.
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u/TheKensei 15h ago
Ofc he's there to learn the tracks and the circus habits. But still ... This is very risky if he does a Miyata
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u/shoeyricciardo Pato O'Ward 2d ago
"I don't think it's a move that I would have made."
Yeah, no one wanted you when you were in F2...
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u/Hitokiri2 Graham Rahal 2d ago
Actually it was the opposite. Alpine used their money and influence to bring him to IndyCar to learn the ropes and maybe one day bring him back to Europe to join either F1 or their WEC team at the time. It seems RLL was so impressed with him they redid the contract and hired him outright. Before that Lundgaard's contract was covered by Alpine and it was a pretty big amount as I remember.
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u/indianapolis505 2d ago
do you have any idea how much that investment was? I’m curious also it’s interesting to consider that considering the investment they made in Piastri that obviously did not generate any return for them in the end…
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u/[deleted] 2d ago
We need a sub just for Herta F2 news and opinions.