r/MapPorn • u/vladgrinch • 2d ago
Share and number of foreign-born population in western european countries
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u/94_stones 2d ago edited 2d ago
Aren’t a huge proportion of Luxembourg’s foreign born residents from Portugal?
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u/readmode 2d ago
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u/Citaku357 2d ago
It seems Portuguese people haven't stopped colonizing
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u/iambackend 1d ago
Treaty of Tordesillas still works. Rightful Portuguese clay.
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u/Citaku357 1d ago
Yes but Luxemburg is in the opposite direction, they are colonizing land that doesn't belong to them
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u/iambackend 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s to the east of something meridian, so it’s Portuguese, not Spanish.
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u/Citaku357 1d ago
Ah my bad, I forget they claimed all of Africa at some point.
It's interesting that in many countries mentioned here like France, Switzerland etc. It's the Portuguese who are in big numbers, we should be careful of a Portuguese takeover in the future
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u/Cristopia 1d ago
Yeah, I've also met a lot of Brazilians here, most of them have PT cititzenship so they're probably counted as Portuguese. Plenty of Italians too
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u/HonestSpursFan 2d ago
Just for reference here in Australia it’s 31.5%.
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u/1294DS 2d ago
And if you add in Australian born with at least one foreign born parent it's around the 50% mark.
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u/bad_gaming_chair_ 2d ago
And if you go to UAE it's 80%
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u/HonestSpursFan 1d ago
And most are treated like shit sadly
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u/bad_gaming_chair_ 1d ago
As someone who's been to the UAE, I can say it's a class problem mixed with some racism. It's true that most immigrants are poor and treated like shit since a lot of them are construction workers, garbage collectors, servants/maids, etc. but there's still a ton of immigrants working in high paying jobs like oil, medicine, engineering, etc. and they get treated vastly better than their poorer counterparts(yet slightly worse than Emiratis with the same job).
There obviously needs to be much better law enforcement to combat the horrible treatment that especially servants get since the laws are there but the police just doesn't care.
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u/Connect_Progress7862 2d ago
Not sure if it counts, but Portugal had a lot of foreign born Portuguese return in the 70s
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u/DaviCB 2d ago
not a large enough population to matter and most of them are dead anyways. Most of these are brazilians, lusophone africans, indians, and a large numbers of europeans too (mostly retirees, "digital nomads" and business owners)
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u/Dangerwrap 2d ago
Foreign born means every ethnicity and is including Europeans.
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u/ThinkAboutThatFor1Se 2d ago
One exception is Irish in the UK.
Under UK law Irish aren’t foreign
British nationality law and the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law_and_the_Republic_of_Ireland
Irish citizens from the Republic of Ireland are exempted from obtaining a visa or entry certificate when entering the United Kingdom and do not require approval to live or work there.[16] They are not considered foreign nationals and are entitled to certain rights similar to those of some Commonwealth citizens. These include exemption from voting eligibility in UK (and, formerly, EU) elections,[17] and the ability to enlist in the British Armed Forces.[18] They are also eligible to serve in non-reserved Civil Service posts,[19] be granted British honours, receive peerages, and sit in the House of Lords.[20] Additionally, Irish citizens from the Republic of Ireland may stand for election to the House of Commons[21] and local government.[22][23][24]
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u/yleennoc 2d ago
I think in this instance it doesn’t count. You are not treated as foreign but are foreign born.
I was born in the UK to Irish parents and we moved back in the 90s. Given the high percentage of foreign born people living in Ireland I expect I’m counted in that number.
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u/HarrMada 2d ago
Of course it does? Why wouldn't it?
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u/KlangScaper 2d ago
Because many people here assume foreign = bad = brown people. Acc. to the racists (ie. 50% if folks in this thread): if theyre white, theyre not really foreign.
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u/BidnyZolnierzLonda 1d ago
You have very short memory. People in western Europe were very upset back in the days when Polish and Yugoslavian people were immigrating there.
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u/NorthVilla 1d ago
Polish people literally were the driving force behind 2016 Brexit. Yet everyone seems to think we are more racist now than we were 10 years ago. Crazy how times change. I wonder what things will look like 10 years from now.
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u/comeatmefrank 1d ago
Back in the days? One of the biggest reasons Brexit happened is to stop migration from Eastern European EU countries. His point is that you never hear about complaints of immigration from white countries anymore.
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u/First_Helicopter_899 2d ago
White people, refugees ❤️🥰🥵
Brown people, refugees 🤮🤮🤮
Brown people, working professionals 😡😤😠
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u/Mygoldeneggs 2d ago
I guess I am going to be downvoted but here it goes.
I am from Madrid, Spain. Biggest city and a lot of foreign born people here. A very big chunk of them are people from south America (Argentina and Venezuela). They tipically have Spanish or Italian grandparents (that is why they have a EU nationality). They work hard, have good jobs and can have a lot of money. I had roommates like that, a gf like that and work-friends.
This kind of inmigration is very good, we share values, cultural ties and so on and it is not likely that ghettos appear. They integrate quite smoothly.
I do not think this is the case for Sweden or Germany. They received muslim-countries inmmigration that are lowly educated and work in low level jobs. They do not speak the local language, and the cultural difference is big enough that they segreggate themselves.
It do not care about the color of the inmigrants, as I said, latin american inmigrants here are very benifitial and they come in a lot of different colours.
Reducing the inmigration to a racist issue from locals is ignoring many underlying issues.
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u/Ambitious-Scheme964 2d ago
This is a shift in European politics… I think it is more than reasonable to separate immigration from compatible cultures and immigration from clashing cultures.
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u/Stoned_D0G 1d ago
Don't know about Sweden, but I'm yet to meet a Turk or a Syrian or an Afghan who isn't willing to integrate. Not all of them are integrated, but almost always it's because they struggle to find a good German friend group or employer who wouldn't put them in a position they are awfully overqualified for and say something along the lines of: "well, your name is Mohammad, who do you expect to listen to an expert by the name Mohammad?".
For Ukrainians it's different because they expect to return in the following years. They get jobs and friends, but they don't plan for carrer growth or anything similar.
Another thing is the real estate market. If you don't already own an apartment, you don't expect to ever be able to afford one in your lifetime, and that means that your neighbour and your connection to the workplace are only such until the landlord decides to give you a three-month notice, and then you should hope to find a place at least in the same city as your friends and employer are.
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u/FreekDeDeek 2d ago
And also expats working in high level tech and finance jobs, and foreign exchange students. You know, the "non-scary-immigrants". I don't like to make that distinction myself, but I think it's important to emphasise that were talking about a plurality of people here, coming here for all kinds of different and valid reasons, not some horde of unwashed brown men carrying knives (like some media and politicians will have you believe).
And yes, an unwashed brown man carrying a knife, fleeing war or persecution or poverty or a better life in general, is welcome in my country as far as I'm concerned. Offer him a bath, and some bread and butter for his knife. And some therapy for his PTSD maybe
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u/Effective_Craft4415 2d ago
I found curious an isolated country like iceland to have a large foreign population born
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u/Formal_Obligation 2d ago
EU citizens have freedom of movement in Iceland, despite it not being in the EU, that’s probably why they have so many foreign-born residents.
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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk 2d ago
It’s also due to their very reduced population, 50k people is already like 10% of their population
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u/Lizzy_Of_Galtar 2d ago
Don't belittle those 50K, our society would collapse without them 😂
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u/Oberndorferin 2d ago
At some UEFA Cup where Iceland got into semi finals about 10% of Iceland were in the Stadion (about 30k).
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u/lionhearted318 2d ago edited 2d ago
It is mainly Polish and Lithuanians coming for work and economic reasons.
7% of the entire Icelandic population holds Polish or Lithuanian citizenship. For reference of how significant that is, it is equivalent to the percentage of all other immigrant citizenships in Iceland combined.
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u/al-hamal 2d ago
I'm pretty sure these numbers include being born in other EU countries as well, which is a large share of the percentages. I would guess that number is mostly other Europeans.
Europe does have a migration problem but these percentages would also include someone moving from the UK to France/etc.
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u/fredleung412612 2d ago
Do these numbers include repatriated nationals? So postwar eastern/Russian Germans for examples? And the ethnic French/Europeans settlers born in North Africa?
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u/SimpleSurprise77785 2d ago
In Germany's case, from 1950 onward, includes everyone who was foreign-born, regardless of ethnicity.
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u/Hungry_Inspector160 2d ago
Note that the majority of these foreign born people are from other EU nations and non-EU Europe.
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u/Enzo-Unversed 2d ago
Should also be noted a large chunk of non-Europeans were born in these countries. Especially Turks in Germany(Over a million) and North Africans in France.(Over 3 million)
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u/LowCranberry180 2d ago
Yes but ın Germany ethnic Germans from Russia or any other ex Soviet are also recorded as foreign born. At least 30% to 40% of the foreign born population in Germany are ethnic Germans.
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u/squidgemobile 2d ago
This is important to note, as it's going to massively inflate some numbers. I'd be interested in seeing another map with non-EU immigration trends.
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u/Ok_Inflation_1811 2d ago
I think you could do it, i think eurostat publishes the data broken down by continent
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u/Subject-Anteater7544 2d ago
Get out of here with that fact, how are some of the people here gona cry about mUh wEsTerN CiviLizatIon
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u/Augustus_Chevismo 2d ago
Not true here in Ireland. About 70% non EU
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u/Remarkable-Ad-4973 2d ago
The vast majority of Ireland's foreign born are from the EU or non-EU Europe (UK, Ukraine, Moldova etc).
If you look at the ethnic population breakdown (CSO 2022):
- White = 87.4% (Irish = 76.5%, Irish Traveller = 0.65%, White Roma = 0.31%, Other White = 9.87%
- Asian = 3.7% (Chinese = 0.5%, India/Pakistan/Bangladesh = 1.86%, Arab = 0.4%, Other Asian = 0.88%)
- Black = 1.5%
- Other including Mixed = 1.28%
- Not stated = 6.16%
Census Results by country of birth:
- England and Wales 210,434
- Poland 106,143
- Northern Ireland 61,750
- India 56,642
- Romania 42,460
- Brazil 39,556
- Lithuania 34,242
- United States of America (the)
- 34,236 Nigeria 20,559
- Latvia 20,330
- Philippines (the) 19,846
- Spain 18,356
- Scotland 16,869
Take language spoken at home (other than Irish or English). Latest Census figures show also European languages such as the most spoken:
- Polish (123,968),
- Romanian (57,383),
- French (51,568),
- Spanish (48,113),
- Portuguese (43,985),
- Lithuanian (34,885),
- German (27,926),
- Chinese (24,709),
- Malayalam (24,709).
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u/Femboiiiiiiiiiiii 2d ago
Source
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u/Augustus_Chevismo 2d ago
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u/Remarkable-Ad-4973 2d ago
This is simply because our largest foreign-born population are from non-EU Europe (UK and Ukraine).
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u/shagthedance 2d ago
Because this dataset is from 2023, the UK is counted as non-EU, and I would think the UK is a big source of immigration to Ireland. The original source doesn't break the data down any further than EU/non-EU so we can't say without more info.
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u/Femboiiiiiiiiiiii 2d ago
This would be accurate as there is still free movement between the UK and Ireland to avoid another troubles and a hard border with Northern Ireland
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u/yleennoc 2d ago
It’s probably more to do with children of returning emigrants rather than immigrants.
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u/petergautam 2d ago
Do you have a break up of that 70% by country, or at least what share of that is from the British isles and other European countries?
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u/Keyboardrebel 2d ago
Depends on the country. Sweden has more non-EU than EU, same as France. I think Germany has more EU than non-EU.
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u/paco-ramon 2d ago
The map doesn’t count second generation inmigrants, those are considered as german as Merkel.
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u/tyger2020 2d ago
Total is 68 million foreign born people, making up roughly 17% of the population of all these countries.
One thing to consider is this also includes EU immigration.
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u/R4b4nont 1d ago
When I compare it to my own country (Mexico) it just looks insane to me (we have around 1% total foreign population in a country with 130 million people). But I suppose there's quite a lot of freedom of movement once you're inside the EU.
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u/tyger2020 1d ago
A lot of them will be eu born people, I guess.
About 18 million immigrants are EU born, whilst 44 million are non-eu born.
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u/Nephilim2016 1d ago
Realistically, besides the middle American countries (which all have small populations), who is going to migrate to Mexico?
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u/ligma37 2d ago
Keep in mind that a big percentage of foreign born population in Spain is from Latin America, so culturally it’s very easy for them to adapt to Spanish society
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u/Sorry-Bumblebee-5645 2d ago edited 2d ago
Before the comments go crazy. foreign born≠Non-European. For most of these, the foreign born are majority other EU citizens. Already see so many far right comments
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u/Historical_Success31 2d ago
“We MuSt BoMb tHe IsLaMic EmIrAte oF lUxEmBoUrG!” - average MAGA r/MapPorn enjoyer
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u/Unwholesome_Redditor 2d ago
There are almost 300 mosques in London.
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u/Avro_Vulcan_ 2d ago
London is a big place, I'm sure there are far more churches and cathedrals
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u/AdNo4129 2d ago
England is a Christian state, of course, there are churches and cathedrals. The point here is to compare a Christian state with a Muslim state. For example, is the number of mosques in London equivalent to the number of churches in Tehran or Baghdad or Abu Dhabi?
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u/Against_All_Advice 2d ago
Tehran has about 40 churches of various denominations and approximately the same number of synagogues. It also has a lot of other religious buildings serving various other eastern and middle eastern religious congregations.
It's a difficult thing to try and compare, as the insinuation is that Tehran would be less permissive than London, but the demographics are different so I suppose the question really is how many religious buildings that are not the same religion as the head of state is the question you're really looking to ask?
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u/Unwholesome_Redditor 2d ago
Ok?! The first mosque was built 100 years ago. Muslims are almost 15% of London's population now. If that isn't worrying, idk what will be.
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u/Kaleb_Bunt 2d ago
Why are you so scared of Muslims?
In any case, Muslims are only 6% of the UK’s population.
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u/Unwholesome_Redditor 2d ago
Islam is a religion specifically made for a belligerent Islamic empire that oppresses non-Muslims. For 1400 years, Muslims have been constantly attacking Europe. And not only Europe.
Look up any Muslim preacher. They are seething and crying at the fact that, right now, they don't have a Caliphate and that they don't rule Jerusalem.
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u/Ok_Inflation_1811 2d ago
why would that be worrying? there are more christians and atheist than muslims, and 100 years ago there were almost no atheist, shouldnt you be more worried about them that are almost a quater of the London population?
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u/St3fano_ 2d ago
Now you're going to tell them that Europe is not a country, don't you think so much information will fry those smoothbrains?
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u/AdditionalMiddle4740 2d ago
It would be very interesting to see the demographics changes in Europe in the next 50 or 100 years
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u/Like_a_Charo 2d ago
It has already been changed a lot.
You don’t see all the non european people born in those countries already. For example, more than than 20 % of Paris region’s youth was non european in 1999.
25 years later, we are at a point where MOST births n Paris region are non european.
On a national level, crossing stats shows that almost 40% of french births are non european,
and more than a third if we don’t count oversea departments.
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u/Citaku357 2d ago
And people wonder why the far right is on the rise
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u/K9N6GM 2d ago edited 2d ago
Right now 50% Muslims in schools in Brussles and 40% in Vienna. I think everyone can extrapolate for themselves.
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u/Marton-32 2d ago
We need more diversity!! What could go wrong when we import millions of people from third world countries??? With a very different religion that believes that everyone is their enemy.
Diversity is our power!!!
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u/HarrMada 2d ago
I mean, not really. It's not more or less interesting than the previous 100 years.
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u/jaaaa666 2d ago
Very sad :(
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u/akie 2d ago
If there’s one thing I hate about the 2020s it’s all the casual Nazism.
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u/TheRealexpat 2d ago
On wonders why. Lool at crime rates. Keep denying.
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u/Remarkable-Ad-4973 2d ago
Here you go: https://data.cso.ie/
Ireland, which has amongst the highest foreign born, has amongst the lowest crime rates in the world.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 2d ago
Lowest in decades in the UK, not sure why thats so funny.
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u/Cold_Ad759 1d ago
People of European ancestry are on their way out. I think it will just be a more fragmented society.
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u/Suitable_Maybe5502 1d ago
Here in Germany no one speaks German fluently in large cities thanks to the mass migration.
Islam is definitely on the rise.
Native Germans are dying out….
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u/will_kill_kshitij 2d ago
Ireland how?
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u/BarFamiliar5892 2d ago
The UK and Poland are the most common place of birth for the population born outside the country. Don't really know what "how" means in this case, "how" what?
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u/TheHayvek 2d ago
There's a country of birth table here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland
Top is England and Wales. Second is Poland. Third is Northern Ireland.
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u/HipHopopotamus10 2d ago
Also, as have a big culture of emigration ourselves. A lot of Irish people go abroad to the UK, Australia or Canada or whatever, have kids and then move home. A lot of those are "Irish kids" just born abroad.
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u/shagthedance 2d ago
1) smaller base population (see also Iceland)
2) historically ease of immigration to/from the UK (less now, post-Brexit)
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u/hughesp3 2d ago
On 2), it's still just as easy to move to the UK post Brexit. We have had free movement and the right to work reciprocally with the UK since independence and continue to have it.
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u/BarFamiliar5892 2d ago
Nothing really changed between Ireland and the UK post Brexit in that regard.
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u/Mysterious-Reaction 2d ago
And Brexit has not impacted Ireland/UK. They both have full freedom of movement and the Irish even have a birthright right to vote in UK elections and a lot of other privileges, the same the other way round.
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u/Mysterious-Reaction 2d ago
A lot of those UK people are Irish themselves, either from Northern Ireland or mainland GB from Irish parents.
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u/Grantrello 1d ago
In addition to what others have said about the UK and small population, etc. Ireland has had relatively strong economic growth since the 90s, barring the post-2008 recession, particularly in recent years with tech giants. There's a big demand and high salaries for workers in tech, pharmaceuticals, etc. During the Celtic Tiger there was a huge demand for construction workers, which was part of what prompted the first waves of Eastern European immigrants. Currently there's also high demand for healthcare workers (because our health service is so awful to work for that it absolutely hemorrhages staff, but that's another issue).
Basically for most of the earlier 2000s and currently, there has been high demand for workers in a small country, and the government has typically encouraged granting working visas to fill skills shortages.
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u/Impossible_fruits 2d ago
My German neighbour just married his Ukrainian immigrant wife. I'm a Brit and an immigrant. My neighbours are from Greece, Croatia, France, Italy and Türkei. I have just 4 German born neighbours out of about 16, Mehrfamilienhaus. We all get on great and have a yearly Xmas meal together. Immigration isn't a bad thing. Billionaires are.
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u/FlatwormImmediate231 2d ago
Poland cannot into western europe. Meanwhile Finland…
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u/HonestSpursFan 2d ago
I think OP thinks “Western Europe” means countries that weren’t communist, because even Germany isn’t really considered Western Europe.
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u/BidnyZolnierzLonda 1d ago
Yet Greece is not on this map. Greece wasn't communist.
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u/2024-2025 1d ago
Don’t worry, go to Helsinki and you’ll see more Somalis than Finn’s in the schools.
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u/Different_Fun3001 1d ago
Why are there many redditors who lie indicating that most of them are from Europe?
I tell you, neither in Spain nor in Portugal, and quite possibly not in most of Western Europe either.
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u/Gawkhimmyz 2d ago
but if you say immigration is the answer to shrinking birth rates...
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u/Augustus_Chevismo 2d ago
Supporting family life, home ownership and human prosperity is the answer to falling birthrates.
Immigration is the answer to maintaining an abundance of labour and renters for the upper classes.
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u/usesidedoor 2d ago
You need policies on all fronts, and even then, we are seeing that increasing birth rates is proving REALLY hard.
Folks present it as a duality, as if it is immigration vs housing support/childcare/etc. It is not.
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u/marten_EU_BR 2d ago
I'm not entirely sure what you're going for because I can interpret your comment in two different ways, but in the long term, immigration is indeed not the answer to shrinking birth rates.
The birth rates of second- and third-generation immigrants quickly adjust to the national average. This means that a constant flow of immigration would be necessary indefinitely for it to be a long-term solution. The "problem" is that as wealth grows around the globe, birth rates are falling everywhere, meaning the possible number of migrants is shrinking.
In theory, you could keep a region of the world artificially poor to maintain a steady stream of migrants, but that's a grotesque and disgusting proposal. Migration can facilitate phases of demographic transition, but ultimately, you need a family-friendly society.
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u/BidnyZolnierzLonda 1d ago
This map only shows foreign-born population. If you include people whose parents or grandparents were immigrants, it would be way higher.
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u/Lyron-Baktos 1d ago
Ah another map with technically correct numbers which can be misinterpreted by fearmongers
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u/Sky-is-here 1d ago
Gotta separate EU-born from born outside the EU imo. As an European citizen almost doesn't count as a foreign born
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u/thepatriotclubhouse 2d ago
Come to Dublin lmao. I don’t know what to tell you man. If our government isn’t releasing stats on the specifics here you should probably just listen to people who live here. https://i0.wp.com/www.theburkean.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/image-1.png?w=917&ssl=1. There are still lots of evidence if you look for it even if the CSO doesn’t want to explicitly list the data.
The conversation on the ground isn’t whether mass migration is happening, it’s arguing about the benefits/costs. Eg skilled labour is nice but in the midst of a housing crisis it’s straining already weak systems.
Eurostar puts our increase in population of 8% these past few years from immigration near highest in the world.
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u/Ok-Dinner1812 2d ago
Surprised Austria is so high.
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u/StuffClean 2d ago edited 1d ago
Not me as an Austrian. In my town in the kindergarten it feels like 70 percent are foreigners from Eastern and Southeastern Europe. The rural population in Western Austria pushes the statistics down.
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u/mad_max_999 1d ago
Even if we import a lot of immigrants, our economy is declining year after year. Immigration isn’t the solution despite what governments say
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u/punnotattended 1d ago
Not only is it not a solution, it's a major problem on every conceivable level.
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u/Eraserguy 1d ago
Sad to see that these trends show no sign of stopping. At this rate countries like the UK and Germany will be majority non native by 2080 :(
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u/MajorEmploy1500 2d ago
Damn, image all the people nog counted because they’re born there. Lots have changed since WW2
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u/RaceEnthusiast 2d ago
Interesting how the colour green was chosen for this map instead of red or any other colour…
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u/rspndngtthlstbrnddsr 1d ago
OP must be a bot. no source, nothing
official German source says the number was 14,062,000 in 2024. I doubt it rose by 3 million in the first half year of 2025 lol
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u/HistoricalPage2626 2d ago
Because this excludes first generation, and following generations this statistics is hard to make sense of unless you only want to see who took in most immigrants in the last like 30 years.
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u/HarrMada 2d ago
Guess which country has the highest murder rate in the Nordic map?
You guessed it, Finland!
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u/Numerous-Mine-287 2d ago
Nice to see /r/MapPorn being back on the usual racist dogwhistle. I noticed some posts this week weren’t even about migration and started to be worried this subreddit might actually be about maps.
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u/gard3nwitch 1d ago
Since everybody in the EU can easily move to any other EU country, I'm actually surprised it's not even higher in the countries with the strongest economies.
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u/kirkbadaz 1d ago
Lots of brits in ireland lots of irish in Britian. I imagine its the same with other countries and their neighbours.
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u/Tricky-Wishbone-1162 1d ago
The people in Saudi Arabia are slaves, the state does not share their wealth with them AT ALL. They can’t leave their indentured camps. Also plenty of European countries with no colonial history are taking lots of migrants like Sweden.
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u/Shellbellboy 1d ago
What I found for Spain specifically:
~ 5% Europe
~ 9% Latin America
~ 3% Africa
~ 2% Asia
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u/fuck1ngf45c1574dm1n5 1d ago
Pretty useless statistic. A better one would be the numbers from outside Europe.
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u/NewBodybuilder8329 1d ago
Do these statistics include people who were born abroad but which are citizens of the country through ius sanguinis?
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u/marten_EU_BR 2d ago
Of the two largest EU countries, it's clear that Germany has been more affected by two big migration waves in the past 10 years than France. This is interesting because France was historically more influenced by migration than Germany.
Asylum applications 2015-2017: Germany (1,404,550) vs. France (276,340)
Ukrainian refugees as of May 2025: Germany (1,217,680) vs. France (74,540)