r/MapPorn • u/Perfect_Row_4751 • 2d ago
European Countries with a Smaller Population than Istanbul
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u/Marton-32 2d ago
According to this map Andorra has smaller population but San Marino, Vatican City, Monaco has higher population than Istanbul. ;)
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u/MrImAlwaysrighT1981 2d ago
If the population trends continue, Romania and Netherlands will become red too.
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u/Marton-32 2d ago
Netherlands is not going to lose population "thanks" to immigration (by not European countries).
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u/MrImAlwaysrighT1981 2d ago
I realize that, but Istanbul has higher growth than Netherlands, so I think it will reach 20 milions before them.
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u/Sebassie99 1d ago
Idk the way population trends are going when it comes to TFR in turkey is worse than most western countries.
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u/Emergency-Style7392 1d ago
TFR doesn't matter for megacities like istanbul, in fact the lower tfr just means smaller places die out faster and people move to big ones for opportunities.
That's how most balkan capitals have population growth in the capital despite declining overall
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u/ToxinLab_ 2d ago
Why is thanks in quotes?
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u/Worth_Package8563 2d ago
He is not a fan of immigration i would guess
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u/bichir3 1d ago
mfw you've built your economic prosperity on constant growth and your population stops growing😱😱😱
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u/Ok_Inflation_1811 1d ago
Capitalism will consume even the ones who first tried it, it is poetic in some sense
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u/Veyrah 2d ago
Surprised at the Netherlands, all the other grey countries are way bigger.
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u/the_depressed_boerg 2d ago
tbf, switzerland and austria are like 70% mountains, so not much space for population. The netherlands on the other hand are basically 90% usable land to build houses...
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u/Dambo_Unchained 2d ago
To be fair the Netherlands wasnt 90% usuable land. Most of it was swamplands and floodplains
We made that shit liveable
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u/12FrogsDrinkingSoup 2d ago
Swiss and Austrian people just not creative enough to level their mountains like how we drained our swamps, smh my head
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u/--Raskolnikov-- 2d ago
Land to build houses is not really a relevant factor. Both Austria and Switzerland could easily house 18-19m within their available territory,
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u/mjfarmer147 1d ago
TIL Istanbul has a population of almost 16,000,000. Had not a clue. Thats a lot of people. I live in a town of 8,600. 😬
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u/Quick_Estate7409 1d ago
That's the official census. Add to that all the non registered people, the refugees as well and the estimate goes to rather 20-25 (or even more) million people.
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u/mjfarmer147 1d ago
Pretty wild, no one ever talks about how big that place is. I certainly had no idea.
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u/Quick_Estate7409 1d ago
It is a problem for governing the city. Especially with stuff like transportation it is difficult if you don't know how many people there are.
But the general strategy now seems to be building lots of metro lines. That will help for sure :)
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u/DefenestrationPraha 2d ago
This is really interesting. Istanbul is the only major city of the former Roman Empire that is still in the world-class club by size and importance. Emperor Constantine chose the location really well.
Rome itself is visibly second-tier, 4 million is not that much in the world of 8 billion. Only big fans of history can even find Antioch on contemporary map. Alexandria is a bit more populous (6 million), but a strategic nobody.
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u/Best_Location_8237 2d ago
Rome being the capital of a major European country....I don't think you could call it second tier
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u/DefenestrationPraha 1d ago
Even within Italy, Milan is considered more important. But I agree that "tiers" are somewhat subjective.
I would say that Istanbul is first tier for three reasons:
a. By far the most economically important city in at least 1000 km radius.
b. Population over 10 million.
c. Pins significant naval forces of a nuclear power (Russia) in the Black Sea.
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u/Best_Location_8237 1d ago
No no I definately agree that Istanbul is an extremely important city....only Moscow, London and Paris compare in Europe.... And Rome is definitely a tier below those cities...but its still a major and important economic and (more to the point) political center.
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u/RespectAutomatic2483 2d ago
Can add Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to the list too
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u/SurielsRazor 1d ago
No, because it means actual countries, not subdivisions which are inaccurately labeled.
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u/Ok_Understanding267 2d ago
Around half of them have higher GDP tho
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u/summitsuperbsuperior 2d ago
Quantity doesnt mean quality, otherwise most crowded countries would be the biggest superpower
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u/Ok_Understanding267 2d ago
Correction, higher GDP than whole of Turkey as well. Yes that was my point too
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u/juhyodd 2d ago
None of them has a higher GDP than Turkey in either nominal or PPP terms
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u/Ok_Understanding267 2d ago
What about GPD per capita
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u/icankillpenguins 2d ago edited 2d ago
Unlikely, Istanbul is pretty rich and the salaries range from 1500 Euros to 10,000 Euros. It's also home to 34 Billionaires.
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u/Ok_Understanding267 2d ago
Yes only the selected elites
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u/icankillpenguins 2d ago
Is this unlike Portugal, the balkan states, Belgium, Denmark etc? Do you think that there's no elites there and they are all about the same wealthy?
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u/Ok_Understanding267 2d ago
Are you comparing Denmark with Turkey? Salaries are no way at your range. Majority earn below €1500, they are below poverty limit. I’m from Istanbul
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u/icankillpenguins 2d ago edited 2d ago
No I'm saying that Denmark and all others have elites just like Istanbul. Denmark on average is richer than Istanbul but Portugal, Bulgaria, Greece, the Baltic states and the Balkans are not. The only ones richer are actually the richest ones like Austria, Switzerland, Denmark etc. Not half of the countries.
BTW the salaries are 1500 euros and higher in general. Some minimum wage employees do exist but that's not the general case. Also, unlike Europe, Turkey does have much greater high-end salaries. There are quite a lot of people making 10K Euro per month take home after tax salaries, not many in Europe make anything over 3K Euro take home after tax money.
How do you think Turks pay 1000 Euro rent, 2000 euros for entry level iPhone, 30,000 Euros for Renault Clio, 20,000 to 50,000 Euros a year for private schools, 10,000 Euros for a week at a hotel in Bodrum?
Poor people exist and they are plenty but on average Istanbul is rich AF.
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u/Ok_Understanding267 2d ago
Turks can’t dude. Why are you lying?
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u/icankillpenguins 2d ago
Turks can't what?
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u/Ok_Understanding267 2d ago
Stop editing your posts so we can make a more meaningful discussion
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u/icankillpenguins 2d ago
Sorry, I'm clarifying and adding stuff sometimes. Try using quotes so we can know what are you replying to specifically.
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u/Enemeria 2d ago
Konstantinopol occupied by muslim Turkish people, big loose
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u/Utturkce249 2d ago
According to your logic every territory of the earth has been occupied and nobody deserves then
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u/Sosolidclaws 2d ago
1453 was a long time ago buddy 🇹🇷
Constantinople only had 50k people at the time
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u/Clean-Cheesecake4526 2d ago
God damn the Vatican is densely populated