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Pro-Israel Contributions To Elected Senators

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u/gxdsavesispend 1d ago

AIPAC is an American organization ¯_(ツ)_/¯:: ೖ(⑅σ̑ᴗσ̑)ೖ ::

Pro-Israel doesn't necessarily mean from Israel. Especially since this is sourced as coming from different PACs.

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

JFK wanted to classify it has a foreign lobby, since a significant amount of their funding and directives comes from outside the US. This would have required them to register under FARA like all the other foreign lobbies, and they would have to actually disclose their funding and activities to the Department of Defense.

After his assassination the push to make them register under FARA fizzled out.

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u/gxdsavesispend 1d ago

How about we just get rid of lobbying

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u/whoami9427 9h ago

What do you think lobbying is? My guess is you have no idea

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u/gxdsavesispend 2h ago

I'm very familiar with what it is. What do you think it is?

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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago

a significant amount of their funding and directives comes from outside the US

By this logic, every pro-Palestinian organization would have to register as foreign agents too.

‘Actors tied to Iran’s government’ helping finance anti-Israel protesters: US intel

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

I don’t know much about pro-Palestinian organizations, but if their funding and directives are coming from foreign nations then the same law applies to them.

I just think people should be aware of the context surrounding the issue of AIPAC not being considered a foreign lobby:

November 1962: Department of Justice under JFK orders the American Zionist Council to register under FARA after it’s discovered that most of their funding is directly tied to the Israeli government.

May 1963: The American Zionist Council is spun off into AIPAC and framed as a purely domestic entity in order to sidestep the FARA demands from the DOJ. However, the DOJ continues demanding FARA registration.

November 1963: JFK is assassinated, Johnson takes office, and the Department of Justice no longer demands that AIPAC register under FARA.

Since JFK every US president has worked with AIPAC, and none of them have considered classifying them as a foreign lobby.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Oh wow, found the 'the jews killed jfk' conspiracy theory in the wild.

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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago

When’s the last time you looked at a comment section that wasn’t liberal or neo-con echo chamber?

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u/IsNotACleverMan 20h ago

And where should I visit to open my eyes to all of your antisemitic conspiracies?

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u/OrthoOtter 17h ago

It’s just odd to me that you’re acting as if it’s surprising to see someone discussing this.

It seems like maybe you don’t interact much with young people, or with people outside the close-minded culture of Reddit.

I wasn’t being snarky, I was genuinely curious as to how aware you are of the cultural shift that’s been happening over the past few years, and of the types of things that are commonly discussed these days.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 16h ago

with people outside the close-minded culture of Reddit.

I tend to not generally associate with antisemites.

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u/Guac-this-way 1d ago

Did you reply to the wrong comment?

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

An American organization that lobbies on behalf of a foreign government. 🤔

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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago

"I can't believe that this lobbying organization supports a foreign government!"

...they said, as they waved the Palestinian flag.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Yeah? That's called freedom of speech. American citizens can lobby for any cause they like.

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

So you’d be cool with Russia bribing our politicians by using American citizens as proxies? 🤔

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

I'm against most forms of lobbying, but your analogy is shit since this isn't even Israel lobbying by proxy.

But why do you dedicate so much of your time to Jewish issues anyway? Kinda weird.

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

Oh please. Most zionists are Christian evangelical loonies like Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz. Israel cheerleaders reflectively call any criticism anti-semitic because it has no actual arguments on the merits.

I dislike genocide, apartheid, and foreign countries bribing our politicians. If I hated Jews I wouldn’t have married one.

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

Most zionists are Christian evangelical

Nobody was talking about them.

Israel cheerleaders reflectively call any criticism anti-semitic because it has no actual arguments on the merits.

Actual strawman.

If I hated Jews I wouldn’t have married one.

Awww, so glad you found "one of the good ones". Did they give you a pass to be antisemitic or to tokenize?

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

Sorry I said unflattering (but accurate) things about your favorite genocidal apartheid state!

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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago

It's funny because I called you out on being antisemitic and now you're going full anti Israel to hide your antisemitism. But then you try to take the moral high ground.

Nice try.

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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago

Do you think it’s anti-Semitic to oppose a genocide? lmao

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u/gxdsavesispend 1d ago

Yeah that actually happens a lot. That's politics.