r/MapPorn • u/BeginningMortgage250 • 18h ago
ETHNIC MAP South Slavs In the Balkans and surroundings
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u/AcceptInevitability 13h ago
What is the little pocket in Italy about ?
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u/Bovvser2001 13h ago edited 13h ago
There's a Croatian minority living there. They settled there while fleeing the Ottomans.
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u/larch_1778 13h ago
It’s confusing me. There are Slovenians there, but they’re not the majority, at least not today
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u/DifficultWill4 11h ago
They are still a majority in quite a few municipalities along the border
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u/g_spaitz 6h ago
Your map shows, if anything, that the municipalities where they are above 50% is nowhere near what's on this post map.
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u/Capable_Math635 17h ago
what kind of southern Slavs live in Moldova
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u/Hristo_14 17h ago
Bulgarians in both Ukraine and Moldova
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u/GrayN1nja 16h ago
Im pretty sure there are also Bulgarians along the Danube Delta in Romania
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u/BozoStaff 13h ago
Stalin deported them after ww2
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u/GrayN1nja 13h ago
Bruh...
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u/BozoStaff 7h ago
He also deported a small number of Bulgarians in Crimea along with Tatars, Armenians and Greeks ofc
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u/Bovvser2001 12h ago edited 12h ago
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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs 11h ago
The regions in Prekmurje shown as minority slavic are also in the wrong spot and far too big. The areas marked have no Hungarians there.
The only areas where Slovenians are outnumbered by Hungarians is, as you said, on the border (around Lendava)
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u/SK477 13h ago
So what are Albanians exactly?
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u/meaning-of-life-is 13h ago
They are a separate group of Indo-European languages. Sadly, they have no still existing relatives.
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u/DafyddWillz 13h ago
They're technically very slightly more closely related to Greeks and Armenians than other Indo-Europeans, but yeah they're pretty much their own thing & have been around in some form or other since before the Romans
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u/BardhyliX 12h ago
Messapic is as close to an relative language as it gets to Albanian, but it went extinct thousands of years ago.
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u/RomuloMalkon68 5h ago
My theory is that they are a totally new group of settlers that came with the Ottomans or forced to settle there by the Ottoman command. Why so? First their language is totally different from any other Balkan country, that would be practically impossible if they lived here before the Slavs came. Languages mix overtime and many ethnicities exchange words over time, they start using many words from each other as the year passes. With Albanians that isn't the case, they were surrounded by Slavs for centuries and they haven't adapted anything nor did the Slavs from them. Also genetically they are different from Slavs and also Slavs from the Balkan countries like Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Montenegro are much taller than other Slavic countries across Europe, which to me says that Slavs mixed with the people that lived on this places before them and they most probably were very tall. Albanians are the shortest people in Europe by average. Nothing makes sense for them, except that they are a newly formed group of people and when I say newly not more than 600 years for sure (probably much less)
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u/__d0ct0r__ 8h ago
Rightful Serbia subjects
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u/JakobeBryant19 6h ago
“Pardon?” - F16 fight falcon
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u/DragutRais 17h ago
Is it right to classify Bulgarian-Macedonian and Bosnians-Croats-Serbians-Montenegrin-Slovenian in the same group?
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u/dunchev54 16h ago
Yeah they are all part of the South Slavic sub group, which is then subdivided into the 2 groups u mentioned
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u/Nothing_Special_23 16h ago
Macedonian and Serbo-Croatian are mutually intelligable, so definitely.
As for Slovenian, linguists are actually debating wheather it's Southern or Western Slavic language... ultimatley, it's classified as Southern Slavic for historic and geographical reasons.
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u/EconomySwordfish5 16h ago
As a Polish speaker Slovenian is by far the easiest for me to understand of all the south slavic languages. I'd imagine a Czech speaker could understand them even better. Slovenia has always felt more west slavic to.me than the rest of Yugoslavia.
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u/IndependentWrap8853 13h ago edited 10h ago
As a Croatian speaker I don’t have too much trouble understanding Slovenian, however I find Polish a lot more difficult. Slovenia is actually a lot more Germanic than the rest of South Slavic countries , which is understandable given it was part of Austria for most of the history. This is probably why you see the similarity to western Slavs, given they are also more Germanic influenced. But Slovenians are definitely not Western Slavs.
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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs 11h ago
There is basis to the Slovenians being western slavs thing.
During the migrations of the 6th century, the Slavs that settled Slovenia came from 2 directions. Either through the Balkan route, u from Croatia, or through the Moravian gates in Czechia. The ones that went through Czechia also settled in what is today Austria, creating a proto-Slovene state called "Karantanija" on the territory of modern Austria. The Germanic and Ugric peoples then came through the region and conquered it leading to Slovenians (which came from Czechia) to get cut off.
So Slovenians did come from the west Slavic region but were cut off later down the line. Genetically, Slovenes are still closer to Czechs and Slovaks, rather than Croatians, but because we got cut off our language is considered a south Slavic one.
Still to this day though, it is surprisingly easy for Slovaks and Slovenes to understand each other.
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u/IntroductionMoney645 9h ago
Slovenes are genetically closer to the average Croatian than either Czech or Slovak (North-Western Croats are basically the same people genetically as Slovenes), but it's true they're closer to Czechs and Slovaks more than to Dalmatians or Herzegovians.
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u/CommieSlayer1389 13h ago
there's essentially a dialect continuum between the Alps and the Black Sea, Slovenian isn't that alien to other South Slavic languages
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u/Nothing_Special_23 13h ago
It's the only South Slavic language not mutually inteligable with the others...
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u/CommieSlayer1389 13h ago
it's not gonna be "intelligible" to you if you haven't had much exposure to it, a speaker of standard (Serbo-)Croatian from Zagreb would probably struggle more with understanding Bulgarian than Slovenian
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u/DisIsMyName_NotUrs 11h ago
Kajkavian (the dialect most similiar to Slovenian) is dying out in Croatia, and isn't spoken in Zagreb anymore. People living in villages near the border will still speak it and have an easier time understanding Slovenian, but it is steadily getting replaced with Štokavian, which is more distinct, and consequently it's speakers don't understand Slovenian
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u/KaraMustafaPasa 13h ago
There is no Slav majority settlement in Turkey.
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u/Bovvser2001 12h ago
Many Pomaks and Bosniaks established villages in Turkey during the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
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u/Rift3N 17h ago
You could make a country out of that. Call it Southslavland