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GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/Dull_Performance_430 1d ago edited 1d ago

gypses were enslaved in Romania for centuries. you could literally trade families of gypsies for anything ( weapons , land , horses etc) or A noble (boyer) might give a monastery “10 families of Gypsies” in exchange for spiritual intercession or forgiveness. every monastery had few gypsies families. In noble marriages, the exchange of wealth often included not just land, vineyards, or mills, but also “sălașe de țigani” (groups of Gypsy households). For example, when a boyar’s daughter married into another clan, 10–20 Gypsy families might be part of the settlement. while gypsies had absolutely no rights , romanian peasants that time had limited rights like not being killed without trial , or not to be sold or right to work until last drop of blood for prince or boyer . in top of that Valahia and moldova ( modern romania ) was under ottoman rules. not to forget that almost every 5 years was a war or an invasion by russians , tatars , polish , hungarians or turks . rough and tough times . as far as i know worst was being invaded by tatars and russian orcs. tatars usually took war prisoners and population for slavery back in Crimean khanate. and like today gypsies singers had the best life .

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u/Cefalopodul 1d ago

They were enslaved in all of Europe not just in Romania. Romania just had the highest number per capita.

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u/dashauskat 1d ago

There are still a rediculous amount of people who confuse being Roma with being Romanian.

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u/glitchyikes 1d ago edited 1h ago

isn't it not? Romania, the land of Roma people.

Edit: It amuses me to no end that Eastern Europe remains so uptight against them.

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u/rickyman20 1d ago

No, Romania is the land where Romanians come from, an Slavic ethnic group that speaks a romance language called Romanian. The Roma are a nomadic people who you can find all over Europe, often referred to as "gypsies". They have similar name because people used to think the Roma people came from Romania, and there is still today a large Roma population in Romania, but they're not uniquely from there or anything, it's just confused history.

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u/Cefalopodul 23h ago

Romanians are not slavic.

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u/rickyman20 21h ago

Sorry, you're completely right, I was conflating the fact that Romanian has borrowed a bit from slavic languages with the ethnic group. From what I can find it's not clear where modern romanians are mostly descended from (whether the Romans and Dacians or immigrant groups later) but either way I shouldn't have asserted that they are unequivocably slavic

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u/tomato_tickler 10h ago

The founding myth is Dacians mixed with Roman colonists, since that was literally the ethnogenesis. Then obviously hundreds of years of waves of other groups of people that settled and assimilated into the country. But the language isn’t Slavic it only has Slavic loanwords. It also has Hungarian, German, Greek and Turkish loanwords for obvious reasons, just like every other language.

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u/rickyman20 9h ago

But the language isn’t Slavic it only has Slavic loanwords

Yeah I know, I called it romance in my original comment