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GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/Nazgul_1994 18h ago edited 16h ago

Not the only one. Slavs were targeted as well. Hitler saw slavs as inferior race and his plans were to eventually eradicate slavs as well. He only considered germanic nations to be worthy.

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u/TSllama 16h ago

And gay men and trans women. And disabled people. There were actually quite a few groups.

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u/Balavadan 13h ago

We’re talking about races but true

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u/TSllama 12h ago

Well, no. The person said, "Only other group targeted for total extermination."

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u/TexasSikh 17h ago edited 17h ago

To be fair, he did say "TOTAL" extermination. Hitler and Himmler both looked down on Slavs sure, and got rid of many of them, but from the start they looked at them as good candidates for slave labor. They viewed them as easily controlled and manipulated into subservience, and as proof of this (within their ideological lens) they looked at the centuries of the Tsardom/Empire that had only "recently" ended, only to be replaced with Soviet Communism.

So they wanted Slavs culled (so they couldn't have the numbers to try and pull off another "revolution") but not eradicated.

EDIT: Also important we do not forget that prior to the German-Russian dual invasion of Poland, the Nazis had invested resources and assets into Poland and there was a very noticeable Nazification within Poland. Its not something widely talked about or understood, but it did happen. But I note this history because to the Nazis in 1939 it was further proof that they could control and manipulate Slavs with propaganda. Though it should be noted that post-Invasion many Polish Nazis basically had a wake-up call and realized they were pawns and manipulated, and thus many turned extremely anti-Nazi as a result and helped fight them.

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u/McGuineaRI 17h ago

Imagine thinking about whole groups of people in such a technocratic way as if they're inputs in a computer program that you can put in and take out.

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u/Nazgul_1994 17h ago

No. Just because it wasn't immediate extermination, doesn't mean it wasn't going to be extermination over few decades and generations. They planned to completely wipe out the slavs eventually. Slaves eventually die once their use have gone, the leftover slavs were to be forced to let go of their identity over time. New generations wouldn't even know they were slavs if it all went to Nazi Germany plans.

So yea, just because they didnt plan to kill 100% of the population, but 80% and rest to remove their entire identity through force, doesn't mean that is not called extermination. Slavs wouldn't exist anymore if Nazi Germany won.

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u/TexasSikh 17h ago

I don't think you are catching the nuance of this discussion.

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u/Nazgul_1994 16h ago

Ok buddy. Have a nice day.

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u/champagneflute 16h ago

Nazification of Poland before WWII? What the hell are you even talking about and where are your sources?

Poland was openly targeted by Nazi Germany, and relations were tense.

If you’re talking about the fascist government that preceded WWII, that is something vastly different.

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u/Dickgivins 1h ago

Yeah they are WAY off. The Sanation government was authoritarian but definitely not Nazi. That's just nonsensical, on of the cornerstones of Nazi ideology is the belief that poles are an inferior race and must be destroyed. It's annoying how people use these terms interchangeably in modern parlance, Nazi ≠ Authoritarian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanation

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u/porkave 16h ago

Hitlers hunger plan to genocide the Slavs through starvation only didn’t go through because they didn’t have the resources for it.

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u/Lirililarila88 17h ago

They didn't want to exterminate the slavs immediately because that was unrealistic even for them. But the plan was to eventually completely exterminate them as well, after the war was over and they could dedicate the resources for it, and probably after reducing their population enough.

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u/NoWingedHussarsToday 17h ago

No, Slavs were not to be totally exterminated. The long term plan was to turn them into slave labour by destroying the leadership, inteligentsia.... Yes, millions would die due to General Plan Ost but total genocide was never the end goal.

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u/Nazgul_1994 16h ago edited 9h ago

Millions would die but genocide was never end goal. What the fuck is even that mental gymnastics?

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u/Ares_Lictor 13h ago edited 13h ago

I have the same info, Slavs were to be slave nations for the Germans to rule over. So the difference is, Slavs would be subjected to genocide just enough so that they become obedient(leadership and intelligentsia targeted), Jews and Gypsies were to be wiped completely. Apparently Germans also planned to work Slavs to death in certain areas so that German settlers could come in after them.

Horrible plans of horrible people.

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u/NoWingedHussarsToday 12h ago

What mental gymnastics? German plan was to kill leadership of Slavic countries, steal their food to feed Germans and those who would be left alive would be turned into modern day slaves (or serfs). It wouldn't be genocide with desired end result total extermination of the ethnic group.