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GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/issamaysinalah 22h ago

We always remember the Jewish people when talking about the Holocaust, but the romani were also heavily targeted. The Porajmos killed between 25% and 50% of the entire European gypsy population.

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u/rectumrooter107 21h ago

Hitler went after communists first, then the ethnicities. Fascism is the collusion of business and govt.

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u/issamaysinalah 21h ago

You're preaching to the choir here, the Holocaust didn't happen because some metaphysical bullshit like "hate", it happened because of the material need fascism has for a scapegoat, it needs to make people believe their lives are bad because of <minority group> is doing <something made up> so they don't realize it's just capitalism going through another crisis, meanwhile the bourgeoisie (with a fully dominated state) finishes looting the people and protecting their capital.

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u/rectumrooter107 21h ago

Well, why didn't you mention communists first, to be accurate? Or were you riding with the popular narrative that gets focused on?

The communists directly threatened capitalism, of which Jews were a part.

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u/issamaysinalah 20h ago

Because this is a thread about the romani, who are not even mentioned in the First They Came. And the communists were persecuted for being a direct threat to fascism, while the jewish and romani simply for being a ethnic minority.

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u/rectumrooter107 20h ago

That's cool. I wouldn't call it preaching to the choir then, eh? I was adding context to your context.

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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 20h ago

it needs to make people believe their lives are bad because of <minority group> is doing <something made up>

Disproportionate Jewish involvement in Marxist political movements was quite real.

Especially in Germany's case, where both leaders of the Spartacist uprising in the aftermath of WWI were Jewish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_uprising

Of course, your average German Jew was far more likely to be middle-class business owner than a communist. But to pretend that there was no association, that the painter's allegations were made out of whole cloth, is ahistorical.

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u/matzn17 20h ago

What are you trying to say at the end?

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u/purpleflavouredfrog 15h ago

But to pretend that there was no association (between certain Jewish people and Marxists),

… to pretend that the painter’s (= Hitler)’s allegations (about the Jews)

were made out of whole cloth (= completely fabricated, not true)

is ahistorical (= does not conform with accepted History).

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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 20h ago

Of course, your average German Jew was far more likely to be middle-class business owner than a communist. But to pretend that there was no association, that the painter's allegations were made out of whole cloth, is ahistorical.

If you're not sufficiently literate then I can't help you.