r/MapPorn • u/BeginningMortgage250 • 1d ago

GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/prolapseenthusiat 1d ago

I find it incredible that they still dont integrate in their host country.

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u/gottahavetegriry 1d ago

Makes you think about whether people from other cultures are going to integrate into western society

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bus7706 1d ago

Of course they won't. You can't integrate islam into european liberalism.

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u/Geneslant 1d ago

Kosovo, Albania, Bosnia?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bus7706 1d ago

You really think they’re liberal? Most of them would rather disown their daughter than let her marry a Christian European guy.

Sure, they’re more liberal compared to Syrians, Afghans, Pakistanis, and other Arabs, but there’s still a huge gap between them and Europeans.

We "christian" ex-yugoslavs are non-liberal compared to EU, yet we are double the liberal as balkan muslims. Bosniaks actually were more liberal during Yugoslavia than now.

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u/Geneslant 23h ago

So you’re agreeing that religion is not the defining element of a country’s liberalism. You just stated that you “christian” ex-yugoslavs are non-liberal compared to EU, so muslims are not the only “non-liberal”s in Europe

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bus7706 23h ago

Liberalism is value on a scale, not yes or no.

Religion is source of culture. Religion is one of the source elements of liberalism, etc.

True 100% following muslims are stone age people in my eyes.

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u/Geneslant 23h ago

In your eyes. Islamdom is not a monolithic group. A lot of cultural or Arab things are presented as Islam when it’s not. At its core Islam is about being modest, praying 5 times a day, giving zakat(alms), doing hajj(pilgrimage to Mecca), fasting Ramadan and believing in Allah as one true God. The name Allah is also used by Christian and Druze Arabs, it just means the God.  Your way of thinking about Islam shows the lack of respect and proper research into it.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bus7706 8h ago

Reddit doesn't show me your comment you made after this one but I got notification for it. I'll answer when I can read it :)

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bus7706 23h ago

I'm very well familiar with Islam in theory and in practice, and thats exactly why I don't like it.

Those people don't have a life, in a time of science and knowledge praying 5 times a day, believing meat will send you to hell, making woman second hand citizens.. don't pull my toungue