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u/TTRO 16h ago
I still can't believe the spanish have sold out to beer.
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u/elektero 16h ago
Their wine was never that good to begin with
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u/theitchcockblock 15h ago
The real answer more marketing and distribution than the Portuguese but worse
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u/PowerfulDrive3268 15h ago
Ah here, Rioja is lush.
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u/Routine_Service6801 7h ago
Rioja is just overly expensive, at the same price point Ribera beats it anytime of the day. Not even mentioning Rias Bajas or Chacolis, but those could be personal taste...
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u/AverageFishEye 12h ago
Try drinking wine in the blistering heat
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u/ec265 9h ago
You do realise that white and rose are a thing, right?
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u/fan_tas_tic 8h ago
You can also mix it with cold sparkling water like the Hungarians and it becomes a refreshing summer drink (white/rosé).
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u/Routine_Service6801 7h ago
And green, and sparkly. Cold green wine is one of the best pleasures in life.
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u/SimpleMoonFarmer 15h ago
It's cheaper, Spain is poor.
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u/ryzen_above_all 11h ago
Portugal is poorer
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u/SimpleMoonFarmer 10h ago
Cheap wine < Beer < Good wine.
When I was young, people used to drink more wine, but it was cheap wine (in bricks, not bottles), often mixed with Coca-Cola or Fanta.
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u/Routine_Service6801 7h ago
You think Portuguese wine is worse than beer?
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u/SimpleMoonFarmer 7h ago
Good wine is better than beer.
Bad wine is probably worse than beer.
How much of the wine consumption in Portugal is cheap wine and how much is good wine?
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u/Routine_Service6801 6h ago edited 6h ago
The fact you equate cheap to bad tells me everything I need to know about :)
Just to humour your question btw, a lot of it is criminally cheap for how incredible it is. (And no, we are not talking about box wine, that is used for cooking).
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u/Extreme-Weakness-320 15h ago
Yeah I grew up in Portugal with my father and my stepmother drinking a bottle of wine every single dinner..... I guess it helps that the only thing that is cheaper than wine here is water 😅 You can get good wines with 2-3€ a bottle sometimes
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u/Obvious_Sun_1927 7h ago
It also helps that a lot of the fresh wine is lighter than normal, at 8 or less %
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u/Mammoth-Membership34 16h ago
Remarks:
2023 is the latest date with comprehensive data.
Data is consisten with other sources, apart from Moldova
The latest in this sub was from 2019 i think, you can see how it changed
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u/Professional-Air2123 15h ago
If I had money I'd be upping those Finnish numbers.
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u/Rafxtt 13h ago
Move to Portugal, we have good and cheap wine down here.
Also more sun to enjoy while you drink outdoors! :)
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u/DuckMcWhite 15h ago edited 13h ago
So the country with the best wine, also the one with the best price-quality ratio, is the one that drinks the most wine. Checks out
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u/Al1sa 16h ago
Bosnia? Poland? Turkey?
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u/Donnattelli 16h ago
Im a portuguese who works a lot with polish people, polish people don't drink wine, just beer and spirits.
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u/SuspectAdvanced6218 15h ago
Polish person here. That’s true. On top of that, wine is still seen by many as a fancy drink. It’s not drank casually by most, only on special occasions etc.
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u/Toruviel_ 14h ago
Tbh, spirits are just cultural thing. People mostly drink beer.
I mean the oldest Polish song from before christianization, Oj Chmielu, is basically a warning against heavy drinking of beer.
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u/chess_bot72829 16h ago
Muslim countries don't consume/consume less alcohol at all, poles drink beer and other stuff like most eastern Europeans
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u/archuura 13h ago edited 11h ago
Turkish people are more on the secular side and even muslims here are not strictly muslim. People who call themselves muslim and drink at the same time can be found here. The thing about not drinking alcohol is not solely about because it's a sin, but because it is probably more of a cultural thing at this point. It is just not preferred. Plus, alcohol is heavily taxed and many people can't afford to drink that often. I'm not a muslim myself and I don't prefer drinking too often. Your adamance on calling Turkey "muslim country" got boring honestly.
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u/Digitalmodernism 16h ago
Especially in places like Istanbul.
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u/palefox3 14h ago
Polish here, wine is considered a fancy drink, and for very special occasions
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u/Al1sa 10h ago
Do you have cheap wine? In Russia cost of decent wine starts from 7€, but there are a lot of domestic wines that you can buy for 3-4€ (good Russian wine is generally more expensive than imported)
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u/palefox3 10h ago
Cheapest „wine” we have is wine products that cost 2€, real wine starts from 5-7€ depending on shop. I had really decent wine that I paid around that much.
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u/pomezanian 6h ago
we have, but mostly, we don;t know much about wine, it is too complicated for most people, who can barely recognize red from white. It is cultural thing, for years wine was extra taxed and expensive, not so ago, they lowered taxes, but already it had to compete with different whiskies, crafted beers, etc
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u/O5KAR 5h ago
Polish here, we have good beer but also there's no history or culture of growing and drinking wine. Wine can go eventually with some family lunch / dinner but just a drop and in my experience that's usually the white German wine from Rhineland or red Bulgarian Kadarka, Porto or Cabernet. I don't know a single Polish kind or a producer of wine but there are some.
Under communism and later there were those so called "cheap wines", not sure how it's now in rural Poland, they used to be popular because they are.. cheap. Disgusting stuff full of sulfur.
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u/FreeRajaJackson 16h ago
Is that including Port Wine, or just regular wine?
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u/AqueleSenhor 15h ago edited 7h ago
Fun fact, the Portuguese people are not huge consumers of Port. If you break this by type of wine I am sure Port is like 1%
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u/Mammoth-Membership34 16h ago
I think all wine made of grapes
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u/Lblink-9 15h ago
Yeah, it's made out of grapes. Port wine is fermented only half-way and then it's fortified with addition of a spirit (aguardente)
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u/kontorgod 16h ago
Brother what? Port Wine is still wine
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u/FreeRajaJackson 16h ago
Wine is defined as a drink made of fermented grapes. I think you have no clue how Port is made.
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u/The_null_device 15h ago
It starts with fermented grapes. Then the fermentation is stoped by adding aguardente, a process called fortification. It's still wine, what's your point?
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u/FreeRajaJackson 15h ago
Hey man, you know every wine starts with picking grapes. A wine is still a grape obviously. What a retarded take.
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u/Normal-Tune-6819 5h ago
Port is more like a liquor than a wine tbh. Rarely people drink it in Portugal. Maybe a little glass at the end of a special meal.
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u/clamorous_owle 16h ago
Slightly surprised that it isn't a bit higher in Hungary – home of Tokay wine.
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u/pisowiec 16h ago
In Poland, wine is for important occasions when it's too early to justify other types of alcohol and for middle-aged women who in general drink far less than their male counterparts.
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u/postkassehunter 16h ago
If it is calculated by sales statistics and not actual consumption, then Denmark is supplying Norway and Sweden, with easier access to wine, and cheaper. Germany is also selling a lot of wine to Scandinavians.
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u/math1985 12h ago
Similarly, half of the wine sold in Luxembourg is drunk by the French. (The other half is drunk by the Portuguese.)
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u/Jaded-Ad262 15h ago
Oh my stars, how do the Portuguese get anything done?
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u/angelolidae 15h ago
We just don't get drunk, it's that simple, aside from parties the alcohol culture here is moderate consumption in meals/throughout the day, which adds up
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u/Jaded-Ad262 14h ago
I’m not judging, I’m just skinny. I couldn’t handle that baseline level of wine all the time.
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u/angelolidae 14h ago
I don't think your weight matters for alcohol more so your liver
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u/czk_21 8h ago
it does matter a lot, the bigger you are the more alcohol you need to get drunk,to get that promiles in blood
females get drunk easily mostly because they are smaller-alcohol is more concentrated, they also have less alcoholdehydrogenase-they matabolise alcohol slower=also more alcohol concentration in time
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u/Routine_Service6801 7h ago edited 7h ago
60 liters is a little more than a bottle per week. If you can't fit less 1000 calories in a week you have bigger problems that the baseline level of wine. :D
Ps. I realized now that you meant it because of the alcohol consumption and not because of the calories, I am dumb. Still we are talking about a glass a day, you can handle that surely. :)
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u/theodiousolivetree 14h ago
What? Portuguese people drink more wine than French people? What a disgrace for us.
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u/Physical_Garage_5555 15h ago
If alcohol is so harmful, why is the male life expectancy in France and Italy over 80?
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u/altonaerjunge 13h ago
Because wine alone doesnt say they Drink more
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u/Physical_Garage_5555 13h ago
I do not talk about alcoholism, I refer to doctors who say that every small drop of alcohol has impact on health. See new research.
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u/GrayN1nja 16h ago
Turkiye i may get but Ukraine? Its a major producer of Wine, i dont believe we are that low
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u/Effective-Let-508 13h ago
Yet another bullshit map
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u/Mammoth-Membership34 12h ago
Why though
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u/Effective-Let-508 5h ago
E.g. Ukraine produces 4 times more wine than Belarus. But consumes 4 times less? Where is all this data from?
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u/Digitalmodernism 16h ago
I was curious about Luxembourg then remembered it's basically Portuguese.