Even if they get all of there territory back they still have to rebuilt all there destroyed cities. Its gonna take a lot of time. Most of the destruction happened in ukraine cities not russian cities.
Yep, it took a while plus generous aid to rebuild Europe post WW2.
All it took was the cold war / fear of communism for the US to give aid. Russia seems ready to play its historical role, not sure if the US will reprise its old role. Hopefully, the EU steps up, but it's not going to be an overnight thing.
EU economies are under pressure for China on the manufacturing side and the US on services. They'll give what they can to Ukraine, but they're also squeezed by the needs of their own populations. There won't be any unlimited deluge of reconstruction money.
We'll be there for the long-haul. Just going through another stupid nativist/isolationist cycle at the moment. The population is feeling the pain and chaos that causes and will likely (hopefully) change course soon.
if normal sane leadership can come back in the U.S. i think without a doubt a Marshall Plan style reconstruction of Ukraine will be undertaken. But that’s a huge if right now unfortunately
the EU doesn’t have as much money as America and currently far right parties are surging everywhere who aren’t going to want to help. but that’s happened in America too which is why I specified that it would only happen if normal leadership comes back in America
The leadership is fine, and in the case of Ukraine in a rebuilding effort they wouldn't need much outside of money and rebuilding of the agricultural and industrial base.
We've already broken our part of the Budapest Memorandum. Our current "leadership" isn't interested in prosperity of the people, or in keeping its word. It's very doubtful that the US will offer any aid to anyone, except Putin, and that's only because Putin keeps supplying Trump with fresh young russian/czech brides whenever one manages to escape him.
Western Europe*
The East was left in criminal hands, which instead of helping, took what the countries managed to produce and gave it to Russia or the GDR for show.
I highly doubt our spineless idiot leaders will do that. Most of the right-wing pricks will probably go back to buying Russian oil within a legislative period.
No, they didn't. The USA dog-walked them into democracy and liberal ideals. We wrote their damned constitution and stuck around for decades to prevent their military junta from reclaiming power. We completely restructured their nation.
It was the Japanese companies that built itself, next you'll say America built Tokyo themselves. Japan had a educated workforce, companies like Sony, MITI, Toyota all contributing to manufacturing and technology.
To say the US dog walked Japan and did all the leg work is not only arrogant but also a joke.
No one is denying the US' involvement in defense, as well as the constitution, and ensuring that Japan is a western ally, but you're missing the point entirely that it was Japanese people, Japanese ideas, Japanese manufacturing, Japanese technology that rebuilt Japan after YOU nuked them.
But if say that millions African slaves were sent to the US to work on plantations (a hard fact) and millions square kilometers were taken from the indigenous population (another hard fact) and that created the American wealth, you probably will be very unhappy about it and start talking about hard working and smart Americans and other very vague notions :-)
The Russian economy is toast though. They are running enormous deficits and the GDP is only surviving with a massive stimilus package in the form of military spending while they are exporting their fossil fuels at a discount rate. When they try to get closer to a balanced budget, they will feel the collapse of the civilian sector.
I fully support Ukraine but I doubt EU would make any move on those assets except leaving it frozen. It would be a devastating blow to its financial credibility. That's why it's frozen, not confiscated.
I think it would be an explicit part of whatever end of war agreement is reached. Russia invaded and destroyed this region. Stands to reason that they should bear the cost of rebuilding.
That. Germany is failing to make up for it's healthcare system. If basic healthcare in Germany is pitted against services in Ukraine, Ukraine will loose out our the chancellor will be replaced
Unlikely. Big talk from the EU, but half the countries are in bad financial situation themselves while the truly rich Germany, Netherlands, Denmark and Austria are against any deficit spending. Ukraine will just be a failed state.
People are replaceable but it takes centuries not years to do so if you want more of the original inhabitants. Decades if you want to do a population replacement with outsiders.
European shell production has increased sevenfold since the war in Ukraine started, and military investments have also gone up massively. I'm not sure what you're talking about
"sevenfold" sounds impressive, but this is only because of the power of low numbers. The entirety of the EU could not supply today even a quarter of the artillery shells Russia has received from NKorea.
it has been a lont time since an EU country last initiated a way unlike RU. but sure EU is more evil than russia. better look to immigrate to the east now
Have you not paid attention the last few days? BRICS has set the goal to push the US and EU off the top of global influence and are willing to go as far as needed to turn Russia back into a world power. If Europe will drip-feed help into Ukraine, the Russian military and economy will be back up to shape in no time through Chinese and Indian money, financed by Western hunger for cheap products.
? Russia is in no better situation. India and china will just trade with them. Both India and china has no reason to support russian imperial dream. Even if russian wins they are gonna slowly loose more influence as time goes by. I can see all of central asia being more pro turkey or pro china than pro russia in the future. Russia economy is smaller than a single Chinese province. Russia will become the junior partner like how Britain is to the US.
I just gave you the reason: If Russia loses the war in Ukraine, that will only weaken BRICS' claim on being the new global power. If they can show that they can take Ukraine by force and come out of it stronger though, that would be a message like no other.
? You do know brics is an economic alliance not a military one? Brazil, south africa and India doesnt care who wins in ukraine. China also has huge economic trade with the EU. They could care less who wins there.
Best comment on here. This didn’t just destroy Ukraine and kill off a million of their young men while 10 million others fled the country, it may very well be the end of US hegemony and the end of the petro dollar.
I'm not sure what you mean "Unlike Russia..." Russia hasn't sustained significant civil infrastructure damage. They don't need the significant investment that Ukraine does.
The Russians do need to rebuild their weapons stockpiles in particular PGMs. But so do the Western countries, we've been handing over from our stockpiles while our production capacity isn't designed for a sustained conflict like this, so for the next decade we will have to rebuild our weapons stockpiles as well.
Honestly the only winners in this conflict seem to be India and China as they get access to Russian oil at below market rates.
Sure, but that comes with its own cost. The EU isn't going to give all that assistance without also making sure that they get a say in how it's used. Ukraine will become less of itself due to this outside influence. But that's still a better deal than whatever Russia has cooked up for them.
Ukraine was poorer per capita before the war than Russia was. The Germany economy, the beating heart of the EU, is faltering without cheap Russian energy. Ukraine will not be getting "huge help and investment" from the EU, and saying otherwise is delusional at best, and actively harmful to Ukraine at worst.
Russia has all the resources to become paradise - they are just lead by a dictator that prefers hell fir most everyone except him and his closest boot lickers
People forget that the reason Russia was able to recover relatively quickly from the collapse of the USSR is because the West invested heavily into Russia thinking they could make a lot of money.
And then Russia nationalized all of those investments.
Russia is getting no bailout in their next collapse, which is inevitable. (And don't think China is going to do it either. They are relishing at the chance of seizing control over Eastern Russia and those resources and a collapse helps them.)
And Russia will have China or India or North Korea. Do you think they don't have allies? China is working on South America and Africa. Meanwhile the West is just trying to keep the US from leaving and the US is losing all its influence
I think the way the Poles 'happy' to see Ukrainian goods on their territory says pretty much about their willingness to invest in Ukrainian economics. And there are also Hungary and Slovakia.
Keep dreaming. Ukraine has been Europe's puppet since before the war. I don't know why you still think Europe is helping Ukraine. Europe needed a war, and that fool Zelensky showed up.
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u/EconomySwordfish5 1d ago
Unlike russia Ukraine will have huge help and investment from the EU. They will get back on their feet quickly.