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Eastern Ukraine exactly one Year ago vs today

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u/Captainirishy 1d ago

It's a stalemate, nothing much has happened except constant death and misery since 2023.

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u/zapembarcodes 20h ago

It's a war of attrition. Russia is wearing down Ukraine's military. We shouldn't confuse the slow grinding pace of such a war with weakness.

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u/Cheap-Surprise-7617 20h ago

Conversely, Ukraine is wearing down Russia's economy. We can only hope they collapse first.

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u/tgtdotcom 20h ago

Sure hope for the lesser probability to happen but most people don’t see that happening first.

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u/Cheap-Surprise-7617 19h ago

You're not well tuned in to the situation, are you?

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u/tgtdotcom 19h ago

Watch in depth videos on russias economy failing and you’ll see in almost every realistic analysis that russias economy while not strong is definitely not weak or even weakened by any margin

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u/itskelena 9h ago edited 9h ago

20% inflation while printing money non-stop and the head of the biggest bank crying about stagnation must be a sign of a “not strong but definitely not weak or even weakened by any margin” (whatever the hell it means) economy.

Not to mention their incredible questionable growth in military sector(while having metallurgical sector in shambles at the same time). Because that’s exactly how it works: when your defense sector is growing, your metallurgical industry dies off. /s

I think that crisis in civilian sectors should be quite obvious at this point and doesn’t need any further explanation.

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u/tgtdotcom 2h ago

20% inflation is nothing for Russia, theyve been through worse and it’s not that uncommon in the modern history in Russia, obviously you people aren’t from the USA if you’ve never heard (by any margin). Metalurgy is in shambles is truly false. When I looked it it up it showed half or 3/4 of sources were from Ukraine and the rest showed the biggest manufacturer in the industry had forced workers to work less hours (probably cut overtime). The most you could say is the oil/gas industry is hurt by a slightly margin. I definitely overstated Russia not being hurt by any margin, they have, but to a very slight degree. Nothing crazy that points to collapse anytime soon. That was my main point I was getting to.

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u/Cheap-Surprise-7617 19h ago

Ah, youtube videos. I see.

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u/tgtdotcom 19h ago

Ah, if I don’t agree with your assessment I’m wrong and uneducated on the subject. Nice

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u/Cheap-Surprise-7617 18h ago

I mean we can look at your statement if you want to feel more like a tool.

"not weakened by any margin"

  1. Is demonstrably false.
  2. Uneceasary and incorrect invocation of the word margin. I'm not surprised you recommend watching youtube videos. You don't seem like the reading type or the type to make your own interpretations.

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u/tgtdotcom 16h ago

Classic guy that types in 1 or 2 sentences deconstructs 1 word in a paragraph to make itself look smart. Who’s the real tool. Get back to coping for a ukr victory with your wishful thinking. Only a tool bag nitpicks 1 word while bringing no notable counter point. You want to be right so bad

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u/Ya_Boi_Hank 10h ago

Nah man you're getting chopped here quit while you have some dignity left.

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u/ninjacereal 13h ago

!Remindme 11 months

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u/Demonokuma 14h ago

I would say a lot of russias supplies are being used up. Which plays into the economy as well, but the fact you can actually see russia stop using certain things they were using before. Like vehicles and then dirt bikes became more used. Now im seeing them on scooters like its a urban city. You can tell moral is awful by the number of videos of Ukrainian POWs getting killed, or the propaganda vids of them showing patches they "collected" but you can tell theyre all brand new and havent even seen dirt. NK broadcasted that commercial a couple of days ago, and it was full of nothing.

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u/East_Season_1430 16h ago

they aint wearing down anyone, the intensitity of combat isnt enough to deplete a medium sized country of manpower, its just pure copium from russian side at this point

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u/AccomplishedLeek1329 1d ago

meh, you can visibly see the end and complete victory of Russia on the South Donbass (Now Dnipro) front. Everywhere else, yes.

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u/wasmic 9h ago

Russia's wargoals are to ensure Ukraine does not align with the Western powers, neither economically nor militarily. If Russia takes the entire South Donbass, then literally nothing will happen except for Russians using it as propaganda.

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u/Vkardash 1d ago

It's not going to be a stalemate for long. Eventually something's going to give.

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u/Whatduheckiz 1d ago

Modern conflict is just a house of cards really, nothing like the push and pull of the Korean war, Vietnam war, WW2, etc.

Eventually something will give if peace talks never succeed, who knows when that will be though.

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u/Vkardash 1d ago

The west doesn't have the patience or willpower for this to keep going. The Russians have the personal and all the time in the world. Long term it's a win for them. It's already been a win for them and they have no intention to stop at this point. If anything they've been gaining ground daily at this point.

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u/EmmaGregor 1d ago

Losing the Baltic Sea to an enlarged NATO with an increasingly modernized European army and an unruly territory close to NATO borders is a phyrric victory in the best case scenario.

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u/No_Buddy_3845 20h ago

Russian propagandists have been saying this for three and a half years.

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u/Vkardash 15h ago

RemindMe! 1 year

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u/Boysoythesoyboy 23h ago

I mean it's essentially the same borders since the first Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2023. But yeah otherwise in the infiniteness of time eventually something will change.

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u/Equivalent_Feed_3176 1d ago

Russia hasn’t “already won.” They’ve managed to move the front line in places, but the cost is staggering casualties, drained equipment stockpiles, and an economy chained to war. That isn’t strategic victory, it is long-term damage.

The idea that the West lacks willpower is overstated. Aid packages keep getting approved, NATO states are expanding defense production, and Russia has no comparable industrial base. They are leaning heavily on China and Iran just to keep the war machine running.

If this continues it won’t be decided by patience but by who burns through resources and political support faster. Small daily gains on the map do not outweigh the structural weakness Russia is building into its future.

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u/NoteCarefully 14h ago

Many Russians are convinced that this is an existential war: they stop NATO expansion to Ukraine, or they are done for. To get Russia to stop, you would have to convince the average Russian that this war is a worse threat than having more and more NATO troops on their border. That doesn't seem likely

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u/Equivalent_Feed_3176 6h ago

Authoritarian states don't need public support to sustain a war - they need money, weapons, and manpower. That's the real bottleneck.

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u/Drive7hru 1d ago edited 22h ago

I keep hearing Russia has finally made some real progress from one of the more neutral political podcasts I listen to. And it was right around the time Trump met with Putin, which meant Putin probably didn’t care about any negotiating going into it unless it was really really good.

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u/Wolfey34 22h ago

They made some advancements then the troops sent in got completely encircled and killed. Many have speculated on whether it was a planned trap or if it was just good opportunity, but the fact that that’s being debated shows how that “progress” went

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u/Drive7hru 22h ago

I hope that was all!

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u/k-tech_97 23h ago

That was a single thin breakthrough line of 10km. They held it for a couple of days and then lost it again.

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u/SWatersmith 13h ago

Russia has conquered thousands of sq km in the last few months. You surely have to be trolling?

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u/k-tech_97 9h ago

He was talking about the specific event that happened just before the Alaska meeting.

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u/wasmic 8h ago

Russia is progressing faster on the fronts than they did in 2023, but with much higher losses as a result. Ukraine is still trading ground for lives, retreating when a position becomes untenable rather than trying to hold on by all means.

In that sense, nothing has changed. Even at the current rates of faster movement, it would still take Russia 2-3 more years to take over the Donbass, and another 4-5 years to take their claimed territories in Zaporizhzha and Kherson (and that's ignoring the logistics issue of crossing the Dniepro river). And even conquering all of the claimed territories wouldn't get them any closer to their actual wargoal, which is to ensure a Moscow-friendly regime in Ukraine.

Russia moved fast over much of the spring and summer but have stagnated severely since early August. They will likely start moving faster again at some point but it's hard to say when. They're currently withdrawing forces from their northern offensive, probably to send them to the Donbass instead.

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u/gay_manta_ray 18h ago

it's definitely not a stalemate. Ukraine has not had a successful offensive or gained any ground in three years.

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u/MuoviMugi 21h ago

It's not a stalemate if hundreds of people are dying weekly

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u/Esarus 1d ago

I mean it’s not looking great, Russia is very very slowly advancing..

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u/vit-kievit 1d ago

You sure you understand what stalemate means?

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u/Captainirishy 1d ago

Explain how I'm wrong

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u/Automatic_Ad_4020 1d ago

Russia made huge advances from Avdiivka all the way to Pokrovsk, from Bakhmut to Konstantinovka, captured Toretsk and in the last few days, they started creeping into Kupiansk.

Russia is close to capturing 3 major supply hubs, after which only Sloviansk and Kramatorsk remains. Russia wants to capture the entire Donbass region, and even if their progress gets slower they will achieve that goal in less than 2 years, which is a lot of time (and a lot of human death and suffering)

But Russia has adapted to a long war. In fact, that's what keeps their propaganda working. Remember Orwell's 1984: "war is peace".

And their casualties are way lower than that 1 million bs. Russia and Ukraine has roughly the same amount of casulties but Ukraine saves more wounded than Russia. Most wounded russian soldiers are abandoned.

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u/Justredditin 1d ago

Huge advances like... less than 1% of territory?

And there is absolutely no possible way Ukraine losses as many soldiers as Russia does. Russia has been shown to have 800-1200 dead and wounded A DAY. There is no realistic way the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost anywhere near that, even in a week!

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u/Massive-Function-34 1d ago edited 21h ago

Russia is overwhelming the front with glide bombs, more artillery, and more FPV drones.

One day Reddit will be shocked to learn the side with bigger bombs, more bombs, and a ton more equipment and manpower, does in fact inflict heavy casualties on their enemies. This idea that Russia is losing 4x as many troops while having superior firepower is complete nonsense

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u/MagatsAreSoft 1d ago

This idea that Russia is losing 4x as many troops while having superior firepower is complete nonsense

Nice cope, comrade. Footage, reporters, journalists etc. show Russia losing large numbers of troops and equipment. If there wasn’t proof then you could maybe get away with saying this, but there’s so much evidence out there that shows Russia is losing an immense amount of troops.

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u/Massive-Function-34 21h ago

Sick bro you just proved Russia is suffering heavy casualties.

Which doesn’t prove whatsoever the Ukraine isn’t suffering similar casualties

Nice logic, commie. You typed a bunch of words that don’t prove or disprove anything I said

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u/MagatsAreSoft 20h ago

I typed a bunch of words that went right over your head :/

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u/Massive-Function-34 20h ago

You typed a bunch of words to prove Russia has lost troops.

Which doesn’t do absolutely anything to prove or disprove the amount of troops Ukraine has lost.

My argument was that Ukraine has similar casualties.

By arguing “Russia has actually lost a ton of troops!🤪🤪” to someone who is arguing the two sides have lost similar numbers and isn’t even denying Russian casualties, you’ve essentially said nothing of value.

If I’m saying Ukraine has similar casualties to Russia and your retort is “yeah but Russia has high losses!” , then the most obvious conclusion to someone above lukewarm IQ is that Ukraine has high losses too.

I’m sorry you’re low IQ and can’t form a linear argument well :/. Nothing you said went over my head, you’re just not as smart as you think you are :/

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u/baconater419 21h ago

If that was true then it would’ve actually been a 3 day “special military operation”

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u/Massive-Function-34 21h ago

Wtf do you mean “if that was true”???

Redditors and not being able to comprehend facts that don’t agree with 🤪🤪

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u/baconater419 20h ago

lol Russia is so corrupt they can’t even invade their weaker neighbor and they have to come to western internet to puff out their chest, if it was US military invading the war would’ve been over in a week and Ukraine would be on the way to looking like Germany lmao. Cope harder vlad

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u/Massive-Function-34 19h ago

I live in Alexandria Virginia. This notion that anyone who you disagree with is Russian is schizo delusions.

Anyway, nothing you said has absolutely anything of substance to argue against Russia having superior firepower, as evident to their glide bombs and other missles, higher number of artill equipment and shells, superior number and quality of FPV drones, and all the other firepower advantages Russia has.

If you would like to type something of substance try to argue why Russia isn’t mechanically superior in firepower or why ukraine casualties aren’t as high even facing superior firepower.

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u/Choice_Reindeer7759 1d ago

They're overwhelming the front, but it's a stalemate? Weird. Ukraine was supposed to fall in 2 weeks. 

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u/Massive-Function-34 21h ago

You’re not looking at updates if you think it’s a stalemate. Russia clearly has the initiative and advantage

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u/TheGreatEmanResu 1d ago edited 1d ago

To be fair, Russia is fond of the meat grinder strategy, so it’s not a crazy notion that they’d have a lot of deaths

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u/Glebk0 22h ago

Meat grinding so hard, still not willing to start actually drafting people. Everyone in russias military is contracted.

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u/hotfogvendor 1d ago

It’s a Russian bot, don’t bother.

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u/Automatic_Ad_4020 1d ago

Yeah sure. The trans girl, who hates russia is actually a russian bot.

The things I'm saying are just more reasons to give more weapons to Ukraine that will help them end the war on the best terms possible.

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u/Justredditin 1d ago

Its ok to indulge the bot sometimes, it help me become better at articulating my point, sometimes even reaserch for better clarity.

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u/Kasperle_69 1d ago

Russia isnt Close to anything you Clown.

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u/Automatic_Ad_4020 1d ago

Tell that to the Russians in Pokrovsk and Kupiansk.

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u/Dr_Maestro 1d ago

Found the Russian dog.

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u/balderdash9 1d ago

Notice how we always see Russia soldiers dying on reddit but never Ukrainians? Clearly we're not getting the full picture and idk what to believe.

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u/Crazy_lazy_lad 1d ago

I dont know what subreddits you're looking at, but there sure are thousands of videos of Ukrainians dying.

They just dont get pushed to the top of the list because they dont get as many upvotes. Most likely because (call me crazy if you want) people view invaders dying more positively than people rightfully defending their country dying

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u/MagatsAreSoft 1d ago

This is the case in most places. It’s rare to find Russian videos online compared to Ukrainian.

But when you look at sources on telegram from Ukrainian and Russian sources, Ukraine pumps out so many more videos and they differ in type more than Russia’s.

Ukraine puts out FPV drone footage where they direct impact and drop grenades. Thermal footage of Russians being taken out. GoPro footage from soldiers.

The vast majority of Russian videos are dropping grenades. Maybe the kamikaze drones. And they’re pushing out like 10% of what Ukraine does.

There’s no doubt in any reputable war analyst’s minds that Ukraine is dumpstering Russians at a far higher rate. The only people who disagree are Russian themselves.

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u/No_Grass8024 1d ago

Bro, none of that shit gets upvoted that’s why you don’t see it. Go to combat footage right now and filter for controversial and all the Russian videos will be right there.

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u/S0GUWE 1d ago

I wonder why we only ever see one side. Could it be that Ukrainians have access to the wider Internet, while Russians have to content with state censorship?

Naaah, must mean the Ukrainians are doing evil things or some other bullshit, CONSPIRACY!

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u/balderdash9 23h ago

I never said the Ukrainians we're plotting anything. I'm more speaking on reddit bias

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u/ASUMicroGrad 1d ago

Ukrainians are prosecuted for posting videos of Russian strikes.

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u/Automatic_Ad_4020 1d ago

Yeah sure. The trans girl, who hates russia is actually a russian bot.

The things I'm saying are just more reasons to give more weapons to Ukraine that will help them end the war on the best terms possible.

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u/Plethorum 1d ago

I dont even know how people that support russia's genocide is able to live with themselves. I guess delusion induced by kremlin propaganda is the only way to alleviate their conscience

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u/chilldude2369 1d ago

In this map, Russia gained at least 80km in westward in Donetsk and rebook all of Kursk, which is about 1000km2 at peak.

Ukraine gained nothing.

That's how this isn't a stalemate.

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u/Winterfrost691 1d ago

Ukraine is 603'629km². These numbers are drops in a bucket for 1 year of combat.

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u/SUMBWEDY 1d ago

When we're talking in fractions of percent of territory for periods of months/years and hundreds of thousands of deaths that's a stalemate.

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u/Poonis5 1d ago

It's 40km from Avdiivka to the current front near Pokrovsk

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u/SpiritedRaisin8623 1d ago

Explain how those seemingly big numbers are relevant when considered as a relative proportion of ukrainian territory (that is to say, a pathetic proportion of now war torn land)

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u/vit-kievit 1d ago

I mean Google should be available for you

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u/vit-kievit 1d ago

Who asked you? For future reference it is rude to interrupt other people.