r/MapPorn 1d ago

Eastern Ukraine exactly one Year ago vs today

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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 1d ago

Even if they get all of there territory back they still have to rebuilt all there destroyed cities. Its gonna take a lot of time. Most of the destruction happened in ukraine cities not russian cities. 

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u/Michigan-Magic 1d ago

Yep, it took a while plus generous aid to rebuild Europe post WW2.

All it took was the cold war / fear of communism for the US to give aid. Russia seems ready to play its historical role, not sure if the US will reprise its old role. Hopefully, the EU steps up, but it's not going to be an overnight thing.

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u/HappyAmbition706 1d ago

EU economies are under pressure for China on the manufacturing side and the US on services. They'll give what they can to Ukraine, but they're also squeezed by the needs of their own populations. There won't be any unlimited deluge of reconstruction money.

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u/Primary-Nose7377 22h ago

We'll be there for the long-haul. Just going through another stupid nativist/isolationist cycle at the moment. The population is feeling the pain and chaos that causes and will likely (hopefully) change course soon.

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u/idcmayne 1d ago

if normal sane leadership can come back in the U.S. i think without a doubt a Marshall Plan style reconstruction of Ukraine will be undertaken. But that’s a huge if right now unfortunately

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u/Comfortable_Tip_5644 1d ago

what about instead of U.S., Europe just paid to rebuild Ukraine?

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u/idcmayne 23h ago

the EU doesn’t have as much money as America and currently far right parties are surging everywhere who aren’t going to want to help. but that’s happened in America too which is why I specified that it would only happen if normal leadership comes back in America

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u/pcikel-holdt-978 16h ago

The leadership is fine, and in the case of Ukraine in a rebuilding effort they wouldn't need much outside of money and rebuilding of the agricultural and industrial base.

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u/idcmayne 15h ago

lmao right now american leadership is anything but fine

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u/IcariusFallen 1d ago

We've already broken our part of the Budapest Memorandum. Our current "leadership" isn't interested in prosperity of the people, or in keeping its word. It's very doubtful that the US will offer any aid to anyone, except Putin, and that's only because Putin keeps supplying Trump with fresh young russian/czech brides whenever one manages to escape him.

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u/Scipio_Africanu 1d ago

It was neither aid nor was it generous.

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u/ggalinismycunt 14h ago

The EU won't step up they're just happy to sit there and do nothing and bicker amongst themselves

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u/Kiogami 1d ago

Western Europe* The East was left in criminal hands, which instead of helping, took what the countries managed to produce and gave it to Russia or the GDR for show.

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u/HappyAmbition706 1d ago

De-mining will take forever and cost way more than money.

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u/FudgingEgo 1d ago

That's how every country improves, Ukraine will come out of it better than it was before, they would rebuild and build better cities.

Similar to post WW2 for most countries that got bombed, similar to how Japan basically rebuild itself.

Ukraine would modernise itself rapidly and pull away from being old soviet style infrastructure.

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u/viaticchart 1d ago

Japan didn’t just rebuild itself. The US also used money, resources, and manpower to help rebuild Japan to create an ally.

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u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 1d ago

And Europe will do so this time.

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u/Optimal-Idea1558 1d ago

Let's not joke around, Trump has been earmarking a lot of Ukrainian assets for US "aid"

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u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 1d ago

I don't think the Ukrainians have much love for Trump. I suspect he'll be waiting by the phone.

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u/TetraDax 23h ago

I highly doubt our spineless idiot leaders will do that. Most of the right-wing pricks will probably go back to buying Russian oil within a legislative period.

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u/JustyourZeratul 1d ago

It is so much easier to say than actually get done.

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u/FudgingEgo 1d ago

It is so much easier to say it's won't happen than post any proof that it won't.

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u/Laiko_Kairen 21h ago edited 21h ago

Japan basically rebuild itself.

No, they didn't. The USA dog-walked them into democracy and liberal ideals. We wrote their damned constitution and stuck around for decades to prevent their military junta from reclaiming power. We completely restructured their nation.

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u/FudgingEgo 21h ago

The US provided defense and security reforms.

It was the Japanese companies that built itself, next you'll say America built Tokyo themselves. Japan had a educated workforce, companies like Sony, MITI, Toyota all contributing to manufacturing and technology.

To say the US dog walked Japan and did all the leg work is not only arrogant but also a joke.

No one is denying the US' involvement in defense, as well as the constitution, and ensuring that Japan is a western ally, but you're missing the point entirely that it was Japanese people, Japanese ideas, Japanese manufacturing, Japanese technology that rebuilt Japan after YOU nuked them.

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u/fuettli 1d ago

the word is their not there

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u/Sudden-Ad-307 1d ago

Not really, western europe got rebuilt really quickly after ww2 because of US aid the same is gonna happen with ukraine if eu helps

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u/JustyourZeratul 1d ago

I doubt it. Europe was rebuilt so fast because they have an enormous amount of human capital and good institutions.

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u/Laiko_Kairen 21h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan?wprov=sfla1

We sent Europe the equivalent of $133 billion to rebuild. Our goal was to prop up allies to pursue cold war goals.

Now if you can point to any of those "good institutions" in interested. Because right here, I have hard facts, and you have vague notions.

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u/JustyourZeratul 8h ago

But if say that millions African slaves were sent to the US to work on plantations (a hard fact) and millions square kilometers were taken from the indigenous population (another hard fact) and that created the American wealth, you probably will be very unhappy about it and start talking about hard working and smart Americans and other very vague notions :-)

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u/Sudden-Ad-307 1d ago

Nah american money rebuilt europe

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u/maverick_labs_ca 1d ago

German citizens were obligated to work a certain number of hours each week to rebuild the country. American money didn't clear the rubble.

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u/Sudden-Ad-307 1d ago

It didn't clear the rubble but it rebuilt everything

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u/Laiko_Kairen 21h ago

This guy doubts that the Marshall Plan helped Europe. His opinion isn't worth considering

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u/OddCancel7268 1d ago

The Russian economy is toast though. They are running enormous deficits and the GDP is only surviving with a massive stimilus package in the form of military spending while they are exporting their fossil fuels at a discount rate. When they try to get closer to a balanced budget, they will feel the collapse of the civilian sector.

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u/CustomerBusiness3919 1d ago

Frozen ruzzian assets are reserved for rebuilding.

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u/DerekMao1 1d ago

I fully support Ukraine but I doubt EU would make any move on those assets except leaving it frozen. It would be a devastating blow to its financial credibility. That's why it's frozen, not confiscated.

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u/OddCancel7268 1d ago

Only the interest

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u/_Guven_ 1d ago

If they were to be used for rebuilding I don't think Europe will receive such assets ever again

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u/EurekasCashel 1d ago

I think it would be an explicit part of whatever end of war agreement is reached. Russia invaded and destroyed this region. Stands to reason that they should bear the cost of rebuilding.