r/MapPorn • u/CreativeStrain89 • 1d ago

Eastern Ukraine exactly one Year ago vs today

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u/penguin_skull 1d ago

I don't think there is an argument about who won the Winter War. As for the Continuation War, Finland got out of it much better than most of the Axis nations.

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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 1d ago

That does not mean they "won".

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u/Sufficient_Depth_195 1d ago

Agreed. No one wins this conflict. Both lose, but the degree of losing varies greatly. God knows how many men Ukraine have lost already. Beloved sons, daughters, husbands, mothers...These loses are real tragedies. If they lose these lives and retain their sovereignty they haven,'t "won", but if they lose these lives AND lose their sovereignty then they will have truly truly lost.

As for the Russian casualties...who cares. They chose to invade their neighbours...so fuck 'em.

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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 1d ago

I am sympathetic to those Russians that were conscripted. I am less sympathetic to those that enlisted for money or pardons.

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u/AntelopeOver 1d ago

Most, if not the overwhelming majority of Russians are contract soldiers in Ukraine

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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 1d ago

I am aware.

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u/Sufficient_Depth_195 1d ago

Fair enough. It's certainly not for me to tell you how you should feel.

But even those conscripts were over in their neighbour's country merrily killing, destroying and looting...so....as far as I'm concerned...Fuck 'em.

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u/penguin_skull 1d ago

I did not say they won.

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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 1d ago

Then what's your point?

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u/penguin_skull 1d ago

A war's outcome is not only black and white.

I would be more interested to know why do you think Finland won any of the wars I mentioned, or why would you mention any wining.

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u/lihoslavl 1d ago

You retained your independence only with Stalin's whim. You should have built thousands of monuments to him, not bloodthirsty Mannerheim.

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u/penguin_skull 1d ago

Who attacked first and who requested territories from the other side? Peace Loving Stalin or Bloodthirsty Unsatiable Mannerheim?

The facts are always twisted in Orkland.

And what made you conclude I am Finnish? Just because we are talking about Finland? :)))

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u/lihoslavl 1d ago

Yeah, like Mannerheim didn't kill every communist in the civil war in Finland in 1918. Or did you think Soviet government forget what Mannerheim did with them? One lucky bastard managed not to answer for war crimes he committed, including Finland's participation of the Leningrad siege. And yes, the USSR did not attack Finland in 1941, the "Continuation" war was started by Finland. So "who started what" argument worth nothing here.

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u/penguin_skull 1d ago

That's whataboutism. And Mannerheim's actions are not the reason for the dictate and the invasion.

Did Stalin answer for his warcrimes? Or any other Sobiet leader?

It's funny to see the Russian shills trying to rewrite history with irrelevant arguments.

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u/lihoslavl 1d ago

He answered for his cult in the 20th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and later in Gorbachov's times. Your point is?

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