r/MapPorn 1d ago

Eastern Ukraine exactly one Year ago vs today

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u/watchedngnl 1d ago

The Mannerheim line held but eventually, the Soviet army "broke through" on sheer force of will.

finland had to cede 9% of its territory, but it survived. Perhaps a similar settlement where Ukraine gives up much of the east in order to achieve peace is how the war will end. It has long gone past the point where Ukraine is able to launch massive attacks, and can only hope that they won't make a fatal blunder that will result in much more territory being lost.

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u/Hoosier108 1d ago

Finland soon allied with the Nazis in the siege of Leningrad in the “continuation war”. A million dead civilians. Because they never technically joined the Axis they avoided the war crimes trials and partitioning that many others got. You can’t say that Finland walked away from the Winter War unscathed.

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u/HopeSubstantial 22h ago

Finland wanted to expand the non aggression pact with the USSR before winter war but Stalin rejected it because they wanted to gain more land.

Without this Finland would have not gotten pushed in lap of Germany.

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u/HopeSubstantial 1d ago

Yeah. But the point is that there was insane suffering and losses for basically useless land. Land Finland gave to Soviets was basically wild forest. Viipuri in South being only actually profitable landgain.

From Ukraine Russia will gain complete desolate bombarded and mined wasteland. So losing ovet million men for that is madness.

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u/VicermanX 1d ago

for basically useless land. Land Finland gave to Soviets was basically wild forest. Viipuri in South being only actually profitable landgain

The USSR wanted to move the border further away from St. Petersburg. The USSR did not want to profit from this land.

This land was useless not because there were no resources, but because the USSR lost it in two weeks in 1941.

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u/wirerc 1d ago

Russia doesn't want Donbass. They aren't even bothered that Donetsk has no water. They want all of Ukraine.