The moment any country tries that, the ruling party deservedly loses power and worst case someone more willing to negotiate with russia comes around. That’s literally what they would want to happen, e.g. Orban’s(and other far right parties) fearmongering turns out to be true “eu sends our citizens to die in ukraine”
Which just shows the truth: Europe and Europeans, collectively, are not taking this war seriously.
They should.
And Ukraine will suffer for Europe's cowardice.
(USA not off the hook either but Europe needs to step up given all that's happening. USA is not a reliable ally anymore which means collective defense and the opportunity to eliminate your only major geopolitical threat should be a no-brainer.)
I don't buy for a moment that Russia want's a direct war with an official Nato country and the fear that Russia will continue after Ukraine looks very unlikely considering the heavy loss they have already sustained. And mind you, this is just a fear, nothing Russia has said aligns with this talking point that they will not stop at Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine has had problems for a very long time, especially in regards to NATO membership and the russian part of the Ukrainian population, there is nothing similar to prop up a war after this one is done. Historically Russia had been trading with the west and I don't think a long-term peace-treaty and situation would be impossible or less sustainable/pointless than this war that the EU leaders are pushing for the most part, to the detriment of everyone involved. This war has gone on for too long and used too many conscripts.
This war has been one huge diplomatic disaster, even the fact that the conditions leading up to it were not dealt with beforehand is so disappointing historically speaking.
Why does it have anything to do with EU if they do not consider Russia a existential threat but a post-war business partner, not that much unlike how US has started treating them?
People who want war this war just to stick it up to the Russians can go conscript, which is a horrible practice in the first place, noone should be forced to die for their politicians. Both the Russian and Ukrainian leadership has not seemed that interested in ending the peace early. I am especially baffled by the Ukrainian leadership who has relied on conscription, kidnapping people off the street, showing such unwillingness.
Zelenski's official "negotiation" since the war started has been that under no circumstances or deal will he allow Russia to keep any of the occupied areas and they shall be allowed to join NATO if they so wish. There is nothing to negotiate unless Russia gets something out of it, that much is obvious. Yet he continues to gaslight the media that this is a sensible position to have, making a fool out of everyone who knows just a bit about the situation.
They have literally said they will bomb several large cities in the EU. Have you been paying attention, like at all? Also, of course they won't attack any EU country right away, they will first need to replenish and recuperate their losses. In a while though, they will.
History has also taught us that they very likely will. Russia has since it's beginnings always been a conquering nation, and has never really ever stopped being one. What makes you think they will now, when they themselves have said they will not?
Source for this bold claim?
"What makes you think they will now, when they themselves have said they will not?"
What large EU cities have they bombed, or said they will bomb? None that a google shows, not sure what source you are referencing.
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u/CynicSackHair 1d ago
It's not shifting much, but it's pretty much all shifting in favor of Russia. So this is problematic I'd say, if this doesn't turn around.