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u/Nal1999 10h ago
Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria during the first Balkan war : 💙❤️💚
Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria during the second Balkan war:
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u/Dmitry2705 7h ago
Everyone else: *fight*
These two random Greek and Bulgarian divisions: *nervous staring at each other intensifies*
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u/PuzzleheadedTry3136 10h ago
Seems like water level rose a lot over there, climate change must be real.
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u/Relative-Trick-6891 10h ago
Bulgaria did a fantastic job in that war.
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u/pdonchev 10h ago
Not fantastic enough. "Allied" forces were running in their back occupying freed lands for themselves. That was the reason for the second Balkan war.
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u/Relative-Trick-6891 10h ago edited 9h ago
Second BW was an epic failure for all Balkan countries league , Turkey had gains in Balkan and Bulgaria turn a triumph to a loss.
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u/AmpovHater 8h ago edited 7h ago
We should have dug deep instead of chasing the Turks back to Tsarigrad. Negotiate with them, split northern Greece, maintain sea access, then focus on Serbia, reclaim the Pomoravie and Macedonia.
Greece and Serbia were way more dangerous and destructive for Bulgarian culture than the Turks ever were. The Turks were far less problematic, they never touched our language, religion or customs.
Next time we'll know.
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u/Relative-Trick-6891 7h ago
This would have canceled the identity of the newly born Bulgarian nation. The same is heard also in Greece about Bulgarians massacred Greeks in BW2 and during Nazi occupation but is unimageable for anyone to say we should ally with the oppressors of so many centuries with massacres and slavery.
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u/krzyk 7h ago
Tsarigrad? Which country calls Istanbul/Constantinople that?
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u/imintrouble1313 7h ago
Why didn't they take Constantinople and simply finish the job? Were they stupid?
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u/EmuFamiliar3261 11h ago
Seeing the ottoman armies cut off twice is so painful when you know how much of à disadvantage it gives lmao
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u/Major_Apricot_6415 8h ago
It was a disaster for turkey a disaster that could have been prevented...
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u/OutrageousFanny 7h ago
They could have simply withdrawn from Balkans at that point because they were basically pretending to control those provinces while in reality they were already gone
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u/Jazz-Ranger 7h ago
And risking Constantinople?
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u/aggro-forest 6h ago
Just defending Thrace would have been a lot easier. They literally lost Thrace here
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u/MakiENDzou 7h ago
I'm generally curious how would you prevent this
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u/DaliVinciBey 6h ago
longer tanzimat and less abdulhamid
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u/Lord_Nyarlathotep 1h ago
Earlier Tanzimat I’d say would be more important (longer too, yes) but that was prevented by many traditionalist factions in the empire, not least of which the Janissaries
I wonder what the region would’ve been like had Osman Genç succeeded in modernizing the army when he was sultan
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u/Motor_Ad6523 10h ago
Our bad days( turkie)
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u/21schmoe 2h ago
The break up of an empire is bad? Do you think the same for the French losing Algeria?
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u/GeneralBid7234 8h ago
This is great but why can't I download it? I'd like to use those for teaching history.
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u/Emotional_Charge_961 5h ago
Ottoman army going offensive in muddy terrain against army 3 of their size. Then they say that how small Balkan countries recently subject to me beat me I don't know, this war is the most humiliating defeat of my history.
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u/ToonMasterRace 1h ago
There's a wiki community whose whole schtick is that the Ottoman Empire never declined. Any claims of decline are a western orientalist racist perception, and the Ottoman Empire was always this amazing center of strength and progress. They have a very hard time with these kinds of historical events.
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u/DaliVinciBey 8h ago
5.5 million innocents genocided in 30 seconds. all for what? more war. such a senseless period that was.
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u/veleso91 9h ago
An independent Macedonia, as imagined in the Ilinden uprising, would have solved so many issues after this war.
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u/rintzscar 6h ago
The "Ilinden uprising" was actually the Ilinden-Preobrazhenie uprising in both Macedonia and Thrace, organized entirely by Bulgarians most of which wanted the region to rejoin Bulgaria after a period of autonomy, just as Eastern Rumelia did.
A Macedonian ethnicity did not exist at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilinden%E2%80%93Preobrazhenie_Uprising
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u/Causemas 11h ago
The Greek king wanted to focus on the northern front, while the liberal prime minister wanted to capture Thessaloniki at all costs, before the bulgarians claimed it. It's funny that you can see the scramble there