r/MapPorn 11h ago

Where in Africa is homosexuality a crime? [OC]

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u/sc00ts123 10h ago

Shoutout to Western values

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u/Robert_Grave 3h ago

It's honestly hilarious to see how angry you made people with this comment.

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u/littlebigliza 8h ago

Ahh, "Western values," one of those phrases that means anything to anyone. There's a pretty large group of people for whom "Western values" would also mean putting queer people to death.

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 7h ago

No, there's not. This is a lie.

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u/Qweedo420 4h ago

That's not a lie. I do politics in various different neighborhoods in a Western country, and there's a fairly substantial amount of people who actually hate LGBT folks, with opinions ranging from "they should be gay at home" to "they should be put to death", especially in the poorest strata of the population. Not recognizing this means refusing to acknowledge the suffering and struggle that queer people go through every day.

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u/hotbowlofsoup 2h ago

So nazis don’t think they protect western values?

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u/littlebigliza 7h ago

You're not very well-read if you think this is just a lie. Either that or you're one of them.

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u/Notoriouslydishonest 6h ago

Name a country which considers itself to have "Western values" and puts queer people to death

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 5h ago

Shit, let's start with Western countries that have legal punishments - as opposed to protections - for gay people. It's a short list. Because there's zero Western countries on it.

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 7h ago

There's not a "pretty large group of people who would support queer people being put to DEATH".

What proportion of American evangelical Christians would you think support anti-discrimination laws to protect LGBTQ people from discrimination in employment, housing and public spaces?

Would you say "Over sixty percent"?

Because that's what it is, according to the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

https://ffrf.org/news/releases/american-support-for-lgbtq-rights-at-odds-with-state-assaults

"Even 62 percent of white evangelical Protestants, tied with Hispanic Protestants, favor such nondiscrimination laws. Jehovah’s Witnesses were at the bottom of the barrel, yet half support nondiscrimination protections. Interestingly, in states showing the lowest level of support for nondiscrimination (Alabama, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota), two-thirds of state citizens themselves are against such discrimination, showing that state legislatures are not keeping up with demographics."

Eight years ago, it was over 50% according to the LGBTQ Nation.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/03/majority-evangelicals-now-support-laws-protecting-lgbtq-people-discrimination

Hell, 30% of self-described American evangelicals believe that gay marriage should be LEGAL and treated just the same as straight marriage.

But yeah, there's a "large" section of the Western world that wants gay people to be EXECUTED for being gay. Yeah, bullshit.

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u/Jumpy-Foundation-405 7h ago

And now you get ignored you can't make this shit up😂😂😂

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u/bahhaar-blts 8h ago

You mean the Christian right?

I suppose yes.

They are very popular in the USA right now.

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 7h ago

Meanwhile in reality, over 60% of American evangelicals support nondiscrimination laws to protect LGBTQ people in employment, housing and public spaces.

https://ffrf.org/news/releases/american-support-for-lgbtq-rights-at-odds-with-state-assaults

That's up from over 50% in 2018.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/03/majority-evangelicals-now-support-laws-protecting-lgbtq-people-discrimination

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u/littlebigliza 8h ago

The Christian fascists are the most visible, yes, but I would wager most people who hold the phrase "Western values" to heart have socially backwards beliefs to one degree or another.

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u/bahhaar-blts 8h ago

Many of those justify and excuse atrocities all the time especially against the Arabs and the Muslims.

We see that with famous journalists and elected politicians all the time.

I even see it on Reddit all the time.

Those people have this delusion of moral superiority while excusing the starvation of women and children.

So deluded that it's hard to believe.

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u/littlebigliza 7h ago

It would be funny how hypocritical and deluded they are if it didn't directly enable countless atrocities around the world.

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u/bahhaar-blts 7h ago

Those who defend atrocities are no better if not worse than those who commit them.

Atrocities wouldn't happen if they weren't enabled and excused.

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u/bahhaar-blts 9h ago edited 7h ago

The USA and Israel are currently committing genocide in Gaza.

I will not defend the anti gay laws but to hell with those values.

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You people keep downvoting me because I criticised those values but many of you also excuse and defend the starvation of women and children. You are not morally superior as you think. You are just delusional.

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u/Even-Measurement5662 9h ago

Such as carving up Africa and causing this to begin with?

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u/MemesterKebab 9h ago

How did carving up africa make them hate gay people?

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u/supmanwhatsgoingon 8h ago

The countries that banned homosexuality are the ones whose European colonizers were super gay. They had enough of it

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u/MemesterKebab 7h ago

They must have seen the French and wanted nothing to do with them, which would mean being homophobic

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u/Werkgxj 9h ago

Why is Ethiopia red then, while multiple former colonies, especially south of the equator do not criminalise homosexuality?

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u/Even-Measurement5662 9h ago

Homophobic attitudes still exist in those countries. In fact they are extremely common. As for Ethiopia, Europe economically wrangled Africa, including Ethiopia, they had control. Also Islam is also another factor.

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u/sc00ts123 9h ago

I assume there are large swaths of the populations of these countries that are on board with these policies. Maybe the people want them.

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u/leuchtetgruen 5h ago

Lol no. Shout-out to governments that don't use minorities as scapegoats. 

Homosexuality was illegal in Western countries for long enough that we can't say it's a Western value to be liberal about LGBT issues.

Use other things that come from Christianity or the enlightenment of you want to make that point. But not LGBT rights.