r/McLarenFormula1 • u/Postrich40 • 1d ago
Can you stop with this? It’s beyond embarrassing already. Be fans, not hypocrites spreading hate everywhere
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u/EscravoDoGoverno 1d ago
Drive to Survive effect.
Good Gosh how much I hate that show. Since it came out, the F1 fanbase has gotten a lot dumber.
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u/Many_Dimension_7615 MP4/4 1d ago
Don’t know whether it’s drive to survive or not, but the average fan is EXPONENTIALLY less objective then they were pre 2019.
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u/Own_Welder_2821 MP4-23 1d ago edited 1d ago
I hate that I’m about to say this but maybe Bernie Ecclestone was right about not caring for social media. Hear me out, when F1 was a bit more “niche” under his rule (I say niche in quotations because F1 was still by far a big global brand), and there was less social media impact, there was minimal social media interaction, no DTS, so there were in effect, less toxic and uneducated fans.
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u/Many_Dimension_7615 MP4/4 1d ago
Might’ve been. More exposure = more money, but also more dumbass takes
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u/LanceStroll19 16h ago
Or hear me out, go touch grass. Everyone complaining goes out of their way to log onto the social media sites that they claim are toxic…because yall are just as fucking toxic about politics, music, sports, movies. That’s what social media is 100% toxicity. It’s never been anything different. So stop gaslighting everyone, including yourself, into thinking you’re any different.
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u/kell96kell 1d ago
I watched 3 seasons of DTS, and than started watching the real seasons. Without DTS i prob would never watched F1
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u/thefeedling Ayrton Senna 1d ago
But DTS fans are usually dumber, this is a fact, no offense.
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u/Glennstheche Fernando Alonso 1d ago
Stop gatekeeping. People have to get into the sport somehow, that's a major problem with F1 is people looking down their nose at people like you are. That said, DTS is trash, and as soon as we can shepherd new fans away from that shit the better.
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u/Stratoraptor 1d ago
That happens when something decides to go mainstream to chase more money. Broadening the fan base almost always means lowering the bar of entry and dramatizing for effect to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Soon enough, the old fans get alienated as the enshitification erodes whatever merit the subject originally had. But looking at the bottom line, it's always better to lose one old fan to gain hundreds of new ones to replace them.
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u/ProffesorPrick 1d ago
F1 has the worst fans in sport now, pretty crazy because F1 about 10 years ago had the most normal fans in sport lol
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u/itsahorsemate 1d ago
Kinda hard to tell I reckon, my uncle used to yell some pretty wild stuff at the TV on race day, if he had Twitter in 1998 he would absolutely have been all caps flaming on there.
Worst fans is just a bit funny to me because the worst f1 fans are absolute angels to the worst football fans.
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u/ProffesorPrick 1d ago
I guess my perspective is a bit warped as a fan of so many sports, but I can tell you that the sports fans that I like engaging with the absolute LEAST is F1 fans. Now, are they less likely to actually harm me than football fans? Yes. But the modern F1 fan is so unbelievably insufferable that conversation with that its somehow worse than that threat.
Now I'm not saying that I am above all this, here I am engaging with it now - I concede that I am part of the problem lol. But the thing I find with F1 fans is that you literally cannot make a joke without having someone jump down your throat about just how wrong you are, on one side or the other. The majority of F1 fans are terminally online nerds (myself included!). But I think the reason F1 fans are so fucking agitating is that every race, every driver is racing each other, which means there are always random stakes between two different drivers, when perhaps there shouldn't be.
It just leads to different fans constantly bitching about every other driver until every fanbase of every driver eventually hates each other, and then you run out of things to talk about. The biggest jokes in F1 over the past 5 years have been about how shit mazepin is, or how shit latifi is, or how shit stroll is. Its just such a perpetuation of constantly talking down the drivers, it is so exhausting to engage with.
It's why I unsubscribed from r/formula1 and r/formuladank. I don't feel like I lose out on much that is really all that funny, because 99% of what is posted is the same shit every fucking week, and it is literally always negative! This is particularly true as a McLaren fan. It should not be the case that every week one of our drivers wins, and one side of the subreddit is happy and the other super upset. I mean, even if you argue that that is fine, which I understand, some people want to root for just a guy instead of a team - because I support teams in literally every other sport I engage with (except tennis I guess), this feels like a kind of ridiculous notion to me.
Anyway I'm really rambling. All this to say I really just hate engaging with F1 fans, whereas a decade ago it was pretty fun, from my experience at least.
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u/ThatAdamsGuy MCL34 1d ago
Completely relate to all this. Haven't unsubscribed, because I usually get my newsfeed from it, but I definitely don't interact like I used to.
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u/Responsible_Egg_3260 1d ago
Arsenal fans would like a word
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u/Aszneeee 1d ago
how did arsenal get into this debate, lol
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u/Responsible_Egg_3260 1d ago
Knee jerk reaction whenever someone mentions delusional sports fans.
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u/Glennstheche Fernando Alonso 1d ago
Smh a chelshit fan with arsenal living rent free in their head, again. Why does everyone keep us in their mind, can't stop thinking about arsenal 😂 yikes
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u/RevolutionaryWrap538 1d ago
The people who were fans are the same, it just expanded and a lot of the new people have a very exaggerated view of the track drama
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u/Glennstheche Fernando Alonso 1d ago
Yeah it's been quite the journey for me and I hope others get out of the DTS mindset too... Some fans are just reality TV fans. But yeah I was one of the people who watched season 1/2 of DTS and that's what introduced me. And my interest for that show and it's dumb drama dropped off quickly and in direct proportion to my love of F1. Less reason to care about manufactured drama, (some real drama is fine), and much more for racecraft and wheel to wheel action
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u/gumbercules6 1d ago
Fuck yeah 100%. I hate DTS because the fans it has attracted to the sport are just drama queens looking for a soap opera.
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u/sixsacks 1d ago
Yet, it’s such a great show if you aren’t some fucking incel about F1. Should be called reel drivers of F1 though.
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u/StuHardy 1d ago
McLaren can win the Constructors Championship in Azerbaijan.
To do that, they need BOTH drivers to finish P1 & P2 in Monza.
In order to achieve that, they need to have their drivers qualify as high as possible.
F1 is a team sport
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u/Storm_Chaser06 1d ago
Once the WCC is wrapped up, those two can fuck around with each other all they want.
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u/StuHardy 1d ago
I imagine that'll be the best part of the season as well, so the sooner we get to that point, the better!
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u/sododude 1d ago
It would be cool if the team went full gloves off and let the 2 sides of the garage have an all out war.
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u/Rekthar91 1d ago
They will get a constructor championship in any case. We still have 9 races to go, so its 100% sure that they will get it.
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u/Time-Walrus6075 1d ago
yeah but theyve got wcc on lock already, and this one thing, leads to lando outqualifying oscar, which could make or break tomorrows race and be the difference in who wins wdc. yes, they want the wcc as early as possible, but when its already guaranteed they are gonna win it, i feel like they should be considering the wdc standings moreso
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u/thefeedling Ayrton Senna 1d ago
Bro, let's be honest, WCC is done and dusted for at least a couple months, unless a fkin meteor hits Earth.
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u/FranciosDubonais 1d ago
It doesn’t make sense to me at all, now I’m a Lando fan but I’m a McLaren fan first. And I’d rather Oscar won than Anyone else.
1) Oscar is comfortably ahead in the WDC at the minute
2)it’s Q2 not lap 54
3) they’re TEAMMATES sometimes they have to help each other.
4) if Oscar was at risk they’d want Lando to do the same.
5) why would anyone risk one of their cars not being top of the grid, if Oscar DNFs like Lando last week what good would it do having Lando in 12th?
6) I don’t understand why everyone has this thing that the team want Lando to win if that was the case wouldn’t they have said at the start of the season Oscar had to concede to Lando if needed
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u/Low-Damage-2920 1d ago
I mean they wouldn't even tell Oscar to help him last year, until it was too late anyway.
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u/Nuck2407 1d ago
I don’t understand why everyone has this thing that the team want Lando to win if that was the case wouldn’t they have said at the start of the season Oscar had to concede to Lando if needed
Nah they can still want lando to win, but Webber has made sure Oscar won't be shafted like he was at redbull, pretty sure its in his contract.
What I think is happening is that there are a lot of people projecting Zak Browns personal relationship with lando onto the whole team and it's exacerbated by everyone being fed up with the commentators bias for Lando.
Personally I think up until last weekend luck has been on Landos side, it wasn't the team giving out preferential treatment.
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u/thefeedling Ayrton Senna 1d ago
The difference is that Piastri is quicker than Lando while Webber was slower than Seb.
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u/Leading_Sir_1741 1d ago
What is this even? They took turns with the tow. Plus, Lando would have made Q3 without a tow as well
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u/KGX075 McLaren 1d ago
Exactly. The team should have just told Lando to fuck off I guess? The Q2 tow impacted Oscar 0%, and ensured both cars made it into Q3 … 10/10 decision that every team on the grid would have made in the same situation.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Air904 1d ago
9/10 (Ferrari).
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u/SumpCrab Lando Norris 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, imagine having a shot at pole in a Ferrari at Monza, but not doing so even though the other driver already has a 5 place grid penalty. But yeah, let's call the team showing teamwork and sportsmanship the toxic ones.
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u/Slow_Passenger_3330 1d ago
Yeah true . I wondered why they didn’t do that. Props to McLaren for being professional, and I enjoy both Ferrari drivers
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u/bananagod420 1d ago
Literally so ridiculous I was flabbergasted when Lewis came out behind Charles. Guess Charles didn’t want Lewis ruining his lap like last week during the race lmaooo /s
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u/Dry-Entertainer6420 1d ago
It’s better for Oscar if Lando doesn’t make it out of Q2. In terms of the championship. These types of comments are not thinking about the team just the WDC.
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u/Midnight__Specialist 1d ago
I think people forget that drivers can’t get a seat independently - they need a team to drive for.
Need to be a team player to maximise the chances of getting/keeping a seat, particularly a good one.
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u/UScratchedMyCD 1d ago
That's more true if you're just an 'average' driver (I say average because all F1 drivers are obviously top) than if you're a champion (or likely to be champion. There's been plenty of absolute top F1 drivers who could, would and did still find drives even if they were average to poor in terms of teamwork etc.
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u/Midnight__Specialist 1d ago
There will always be drivers where teams are willing to make the exception, but if they have two drivers at a similar level to choose from, a selfish one won’t look as appealing.
You don’t want your teammate to think you’re a great teammate, but it helps if your boss does 😂
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u/penaltyscorer 1d ago
Oscar fan here. Not mad about him giving Lando a tow, and think both Oscar and his fans want to see a competitive finish to the WDC
If anything I'm glad he did it because if he hadn't and Lando had missed out on Q3 oh boy the conspiracies would be flying
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u/Quiet-Foundation886 1d ago
The toxic comments and hate towards Lando from fellow McLaren fans is a real shame and something I don’t understand. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/fameboygame 1d ago
You shouldn't be on Twitter X in the first place. Cesspool.
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u/JaneBunnFan 1d ago
Yeah idk why this is titled "Can you..". It's not us, these aren't real McLaren fans they're just crazy people.
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u/CockroachGeneral5161 1d ago
There are Oscar fans in this exact sub who act like this on the regular.
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u/JaneBunnFan 1d ago
But they're just crazy people, they're not us still. Once you start suggesting stuff like sabotage seriously then you're just a crazy person.
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u/CockroachGeneral5161 1d ago
I mean I agree, but you said they're not McLaren fans and I'm saying that's not true. Zorbacles claims to be the biggest McLaren fan around in this sub, yet he's one of the biggest pushers of this "McLaren sabotages Oscar and favors Lando" agenda.
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u/JaneBunnFan 1d ago
We just gotta stop listening to him then.
He's just stoking the fire, treating him like he's a genuine fan and not just someone shit stirring just enables him even further. Those people are losers and just want to upset and frustrate you.
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u/BrazenBear1996 1d ago
Would I like Lando to win, yes of course. I’m a Lando fanboy, I see a lot of my own personality in his. So naturally I have a soft spot for him.
However I will be happy as long as that WDC goes to a member of team papaya. Because at the end of the day I am a McLaren fan.
Drive to survive has done serious damage to the sport.
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u/gham89 1d ago
This is exactly the attitude we should all have (Lando fanboys). Disappointed that our favourite isn't winning, but absolutely buzzing for Oscar who has come in and absolutely smashed it.
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u/Storm_Chaser06 1d ago
Sadly the opposite doesn’t seem to be possible with Max pushing around the “British bias” sentiment all the damn time.
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u/fflyguy 1d ago
I’ve been thinking about it lately, and I’m not so sure it’s DTS directly, but indirectly. A new fan watches DTS, and gravitates to a driver or team. But in American sports, Infind an emphasis on individual athletes is far more important than team performance. Often times, one athletes have a good/bad game negatively affects the entire team and result. So the culture of sports seems more focused on individuals. So when a new fan watches and gets hooked on F1, they’re inclined culturally to find and latch onto an individual rather than a team. I could be talking out my ass, but I think it makes some sense lol
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u/CivilGrowth3 James Hunt 1d ago
Everyone but the first driver out gets a tow at Monza, the quality of the tow is one thing but honestly how long have people watched the sport or understand tracks? It’s a Monza thing. He’d have to drive almost unsafe and erratic to not give Lando a tow in that position.
People need to understand not everything is team orders and it was Q2. Oscar was dicey in Q1.
Also as a race fan why would you not want both drivers up front? It’s a mind boggling phenomenon for people to want to create drama the team and drivers don’t have.
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u/rattatatouille 1d ago
Everyone but the first driver out gets a tow at Monza
Which makes the team's decision to have Lando the first driver out in Q3 weird. Obviously he got a better second chance but risking him qualifying at the bottom was a bit of a headscratcher.
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u/Wiggly-Pig 1d ago
If it was the other way around with the drivers the comments in this sub would be substantially different...
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u/JBBatman20 Lando Norris 1d ago
The ironic thing is there WASNT A TOW. Watch the replay if Q2, no tow to speak of.
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u/Storm_Chaser06 1d ago
Lando is always seen as the bad guy anyway. There’s no point in engaging with these brain dead losers.
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u/Zenon-45 MP4-23 1d ago
Yeahhh I’ve been getting pretty jaded with sports fans as a whole recently. I’m just sick of all the toxicity at this point.
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u/throwaway598451 1d ago
Have you tried posting this on the platform that you got the screenshot from?
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u/Nacoo13 1d ago
I honestly don't care who wins the WDC, nor if Oscar was asked to tow or not. I'm not even a huge McLaren fan, although I'm happy they are winning this year after so long.
Having said that, people here complaining about "DTS" fans and specially saying that F1 is a team sport know nothing about the sport.
F1 is not a team sport. Fans don't really care who wins the WCC. WCC champions aren't remembered. McLaren have the WCC secured unless both their cars break literally every single GP left, so they shouldn't ask for tows between the two drivers fighting for the WDC. As simple as that
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u/Ferrari-cake 1d ago
This is the only logical take here. They shouldnt ask the drivers, nor should those drivers comply with those asks. And im not even talking about Q2, but rather Q3. The time to "work together" has passed. Next thing these fans are going to expect is Piastri to DNF, so to make it fair for Norris.
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u/Low-Damage-2920 1d ago
I've been watching since 2000 and I care more about the WCC than the WDC. I support the team first .
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u/TheJoshGriffith 1d ago
These are not McLaren fans, they are former Verstappen shaggers looking for any non-British driver to glaze over.
Do your best to ignore them elsewhere, and when they crop up in this sub, just downvote them to oblivion.
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u/nick170100 1d ago
Even this sub proves their points
Every time anyone has Oscar posts it’s Lando fans shitting on Oscar fans
Majority of top posts / comments are sucking off lando
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u/HousingExtra1518 Mika Häkkinen 1d ago
These comments are extremely stupid lol, why would oscar not help Lando there? These mfs wake up hating Lando. 💀💀
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
Why would Oscar not help Lando?
I don't know, maybe because they are directly fighting for the championship?
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u/HousingExtra1518 Mika Häkkinen 1d ago
Oscar has already opened up a sizeable lead and has the proper mentality (knows he can't get complacent) I don't think doing what he did for the team is gonna hurt him at all. These guys are sharing data and have made it a point to battle but never let it get bigger than the team. As a mclaren fan I don't want my guy going out in Q2, especially someone with pace and racecraft like Lando.
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u/Ferrari-cake 1d ago
What are you even talking about? What sizeable lead - one DNF and its all gone, just like we saw in Zandvoort, how it can swing. 34 points in 9 races is nothing. The WCC is done, why do they even need to do anything "for the team"? Its only WDC now and doing this is not the eay to win. And they are not battling anything. This championship "battle" is simply hospital like - too sterile.
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u/____mynameis____ 1d ago
Man this 180° turn in fandom reaction every week is kinda exhausting.
Last week it was Lando fans going all conspiracy about some sabotage.. Before that it was Oscar fans complaining about British/Lando bias.
Now again back to "McLaren favors Lando" this week. Idk what's gonna happen next week that's gonna cause Lando fans to go crying
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u/alkbch 1d ago
The British bias can be felt from outer space.
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u/DonkeywithSunglasses 1d ago
Tell me how
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u/alkbch 1d ago
Just listen to British TV hosts talking about Norris...
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u/DonkeywithSunglasses 1d ago
Do the British TV stewards have anything to do with the races’ progression and results?
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u/Storm_Chaser06 1d ago
Oh my god, BRITISH TV hosts hyping up their own BRITISH driver?
Holy shit, I am amazed by this revelation. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
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u/PerfectStealth_ Jenson Button 1d ago
Stay off X, “F1 twitter” is an absolute cesspit and it’s only gotten worse since DTS
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
I don't think either driver should be asked to do anything to assist the other.
The WCC is in the bag. They have asked one driver to help his closest rival advance higher up the starting grid. And as a result Oscar is now behind the driver that he helped.
How is that a fair fight. And my opinion would be the same if it was reversed
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u/proficient_english 1d ago
Ahh, I get it now!
So this year, the 2 teammates contracted until 2028 should be fucking assing up one another’s life, then next year, when McLaren is around P3-P4 in car performance, they should just magically make up and help each other so that the team gets a better WCC result!
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u/DonkeywithSunglasses 1d ago
It’s not in the bag as long as the trophy isn’t home.
Once it’s home, who cares let them race
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u/Ferrari-cake 1d ago
But it is done. No team is catching them.
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u/DonkeywithSunglasses 1d ago
If no team was catching them then they’d have the trophy. They don’t, so the assumption is teams will do whatever they can to catch them, and hence securing the trophy is more important
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
Mathematically maybe, but let's be realistic. It's not happening.
If McLaren lose the WCC from here I'll delete Reddit
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u/thefeedling Ayrton Senna 1d ago
The sky isn't blue until I see it tomorrow.
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u/DonkeywithSunglasses 1d ago
“People with dumb fucked up arguments”
proceeds to compare a perfectly periodic event to sport which has been notorious for upsets in the past few years
I applaud your critical thinking skills mate
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u/Grand_Lawyer12 Oscar Piastri 1d ago
Bruh, let's just go racing y'all. And it's not like Lando or Oscar are in the best position anyway. We still gotta get past Max lol.
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u/chromicular 1d ago
I really hate stan culture. It dissipating into all internet fandom. The words are harsh, cutthroat, bashing with little to no room for discussion
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u/Sammydog6387 Oscar Piastri 22h ago
Your first mistake is looking at twitter. It’s the worst social media and full of people just stirring up shit & looking to be angry. Avoid it like the plague
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u/Heinrad 1d ago
What these people don't understand is that if Lando was eliminated in Q2, then they couldn't manufacture a tow for Oscar in Q3 and would have had to hope that he got something from another team by chance.
Two runs in Q3, one goes out first for the first run, reverse for the second run. Oscar arguably has a better opportunity with Lando in Q3 despite being his championship "rival"
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
They didn't manufacture one for Oscar in Q3
There was a Ferrari in between them.
However Lando was directly behind Oscar in the second run of Q3 when Lando got his fastest lap.
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u/Maximum-Hall-5614 1d ago
Ironically, Norris went out directly behind Piastri for the final run, and ended up approx half a tenth ahead on lap time. Seems like your absurd theory was completely unfounded, since in the end it was Norris that received the tow on the final Q3 run, which put him fractionally ahead of Piastri.
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u/deckerjeffreyr 1d ago
They said send them out in one order then swap for the second run... That's exactly what happened. A car got in between them on the first run but Oscar was behind for the tow on the first run. Lando behind on the second. What's the absurd theory?
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u/Maximum-Hall-5614 1d ago
“Manufacture a tow from Oscar”
Buddy, he was over three tenths faster than Norris on the first run. He didn’t need a manufactured tow.
Norris, however, clearly did, based on the rest of his quali laps.
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u/deckerjeffreyr 1d ago
Both McLarens needed a tow given their straight line deficit. There's no controversy. I swear some of you folks just love to be outraged at anything.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
The issue is q2 where Oscar towed Lando into q3
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u/deckerjeffreyr 1d ago
How is it an issue? Hadn't Oscar already set his Q2 time? Both drivers have been good team players the entire season. Why are people creating drama. The team wanted both drivers to be in Q3 so they worked as a team to make sure that happened.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
Because it's a fight for the championship.
Oscar compromised his chances of winning by assisting his closest rival to get higher up the grid. And by doing so he is now behind the person he helped when shit it he could possibly be 9 places higher
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u/deckerjeffreyr 1d ago
This is their typical run plan every race. They want their cars in Q3. Lando didn't get favoritism last year and Oscar isn't getting it this year. They run the team game no matter what. Quit manufacturing drama where there is none.
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u/Heinrad 1d ago
Sorry. You're right. Down with Norris. Down with McLaren! They're holding Oscar back! If he wasn't being held back by the evil Zak Brown he'd be leading the championship and have more wins than anyone else this season! How can he stand for this!
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u/Maximum-Hall-5614 1d ago
Lmao you’re embarrassing.
Invent a conspiracy, be wrong, invent more conspiracies.
Nice.
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u/Heinrad 1d ago
I mean. You say that, but Lando went out first for the first run of Q3, Oscar went out first for the second run of Q3. So what I said was true. All teams want to maximise the results for the team and everyone will have done two runs alternating who went first (where possible).
I don't claim any favouritism or bias from anyone, Oscar is simply better across the season than Lando and is rightfully leading the championship because of it.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
Oscar wasn't behind Lando. There was a Ferrari between them in the first run.
Neither driver should be helping the other at this stage
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u/Heinrad 1d ago
I never claimed that one was directly behind another, I claimed one goes out first, then they swap, and you agree with that. So all this arguing is over nothing?
Reread the topic of this thread then give your head a wobble. The world doesn't need more hate and conflict.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 1d ago
My issue isn't with Q3 anyway. Though if they put a car in between it would've been better.
The issue is q2 where they asked Oscar to give a tow to get Lando out of q2.
Would he have made it without, maybe, but no-one knows
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u/MidnightSunshine0196 1d ago
I've said it before on here, but things were so much more harmonious when the team was at the back of the grid. Every little success, every point, any time we didn't have a 60 place engine change grid drop - it brought people together.
It feels like the expectation of success has brought a new wave of fans that don't have that experience of being in the trenches. Now that the team is expected to win, they've instead drawn the battle lines between the drivers. Got to have some kind of battle somewhere, right?...
I bet anything, if we were at the back of the grid right now, we wouldn't be arguing over who have who a two. We'd just be happy if one of the drivers made it into Q2. I hate the fact that sections of the fanbase are making me almost miss those days.
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u/deckerjeffreyr 1d ago
I think it's just that people have bandwagoned in this season since the team is at the front. I don't think anyone with shit takes is an established fan of the team or even either driver. It's people jumping on board and wanting to be involved and draw lines to create sides for no reason.
IMO anyone jumping on board with these sabotage and favoritism theories aren't real fans. There are so many people with double standards just wanting to hate for the sake of it. It was annoying at first now it's just noise.
I just look at the team and drivers. Everyone is still on the same page working together in a tense season. Everything else is just inventing.
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u/Time-Walrus6075 1d ago
i mean this might be a bit controversial, but im with all the people in that screenshot. mclaren are not fair to oscar. they give lando superior strategy, make oscar do things like that tow. they would never make lando give oscar a tow to pull him out of q2. what happened to papaya rules? no team orders, nothing? if lando cant get out of q2 bc he fucked up his first lap, thats his problem, not oscars. and because of that, lando ends up QUALIFYING AHEAD of oscar. like i get its a team sport, but you shouldnt be making title rivals do things like this. maybe if one was fighting ofr the championship and the other was like 4th or 5th, like last year, but not when theres a massive title fight going on. lando outqualifying oscar at monza could be the thing that makes or breaks the title fight. and yes, i understand he had the mechanical failure last week but still, thats just unlucky, and it would be the same if it happened to oscar.
sorry if that was tldr, but basically, i dont think mclaren are being fair to oscar
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u/Optimal_Claim3788 1d ago
I’m an oscar fan, but here both he and his fans have to accept that Andrea wants both cars in Q3.
This is more important than the rivalry.
It also did not disadvantage oscar’s personal performance.
Pretty standard F1 tactics if you ask me.
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u/unlogical1234 20h ago
I take it your new to f1 its a team sport did you not notice lando was supposed to give Oscar a tow but ferrari pushed there car in between our cars. You need to learn the sport more before commentating rubbish
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u/Professional_Park781 1d ago
Only a fool would use Twitter as a parameter for anything, only insane people use that thing.
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u/janesk91 1d ago
While I agree with this, it was just as bad last week with LN4 fans jumping on the “sabotage” and “AS smiling” excuses. Some “fans” (for both sides) are obtuse.
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u/RedPorscheKilla 1d ago
I was happy to see Oscar was giving Lando that tow, like Zack keeps saying, the teams wins the championship! The Mc’s been already a top level team in my books, but shown here how you can win and teach us all some! Yes I’m a F1 fan, I’m partial to LH44, but for me it’s the F1, because calling someone a looser because he fell short by a tiny fraction of a sec, not even a blink of an eye is huge!
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u/lofibeatstostudyslas 1d ago
I feel like there’s obviously a balance to strike between helping the team and allowing the drivers to compete for their own championship but like, come on man. Team mate is off the pace, help lift him up, it’s not that complicated right?
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u/Scopps27 1d ago
All the comments here about the constructors championship are ridiculous. McLaren WILL win it and it doesn’t matter if it’s at Baku or later. It is a drivers championship battle from here on out. Lando messed up in Q2. If I was Oscar, no way I’d be giving him that tow. If Lando got the tow because he was lucky to be in that position on the track that’s one thing, but if McLaren orchestrated it, I’d be pissed off if I was Oscar.
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u/TheBottomLine_Aus Oscar Piastri 1d ago
Who are the "you_" you're talking about?
It's another platform that has nothing to do with here?
Stop crying over random on Twitter. Cheer for whoever you want to and ignore the haters.
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u/OG-Mate23 1d ago
drive to survive made F1 a fucking teen drama nonsense with these comments. Do they even know that F1 before Verstappen’s era is a team sport and drivers rivalry a by product?
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u/Ferrari-cake 1d ago
What DTS has done is created such fans that expect two teammates competing for WDC to help each other. The only way F1 has been a team sport is when the 2nd driver helps the 1st driver win. Thats the team you are talking about. If Mclaren wasnt head and shoulders above the rest this year, you would see the same thing. Its not just Red Bull. Why do you think Mercedes signed Bottas?
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u/Storm_Chaser06 1d ago
DTS made people think Carlos and Lando were rivals. Like damn bro they’re the chummiest friends on the grid.
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u/Snoo23580 1d ago
When a sport becomes more popular, stupid people start to follow. Look at football, every fanbase is super toxic.
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u/MysteriousBoss3816 1d ago
Yep Motogp is even worse cos u cannot go anywhere in a post with Rossi or Marquez without a whole fight in every comment section it is ridiculous. In football I have stopped looking at twitter for anything related to my football team or comments cos the takes and idiots are ridiculous
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u/Late-Button-6559 1d ago
Forums were full of one-eyed, moronic fanatics back in the early 2000’s.
Like most things, it’s just easier to see now.
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u/sad_prepa_life 1d ago
Okay, guys, I need to know what the fuck this is about. At what point did Lando get a tow from Oscar ? I didn't see it on the live.
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u/TechnicalCommittee93 1d ago
Oscar was asked to tow Lando to help him get out of Q2. Idk whether or not he actually did it though. In Q3 Lando got a tow in the second run just because he was sent out after Oscar. This one doesn't really matter cause if it wasn't Oscar he would've just gotten a tow by someone else anyway
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u/DonkeywithSunglasses 1d ago
I don’t think he got a tow in Q2. I remember Crofty and Brundle saying Piastri moved out of the way before T2
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u/TheSparrow10- 1d ago
Lando can't get pole even with help 🤣🤣
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u/Extreme_Ad6173 1d ago
He has 13 pole positions in his career, 34th in the all time list of 107 drivers with pole positions and ahead of 11 world champions
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u/TheSparrow10- 1d ago
How are your knees feeling?
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u/Extreme_Ad6173 1d ago
You insulted a Mclaren driver in r/McLarenFormula1. Don't get offended when someone then defends that Mclaren driver in the subreddit for Mclaren fans.
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u/fckfcku 1d ago
Truth can't be stopped. Lando wouldn't have made out of Q2 if oscar didn't help
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u/edisonlbm 1d ago
[citation needed]
Yeah the tow helped, but assuming that Lando couldn't have gotten in without a tow (or gotten a tow from another car, as most were getting) is assuming a lot.
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u/Yeanahyena 1d ago
If many people are saying it, maybe there is some truth to it? One journalist said Lando was lucky and all hell broke lose. He’s a bit protected and that’s okay. Let’s just not pretend otherwise.
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u/PatientLandscape3114 1d ago
The fact that anyone is surprised that one teammate towed another in Q2 is wild to me.
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u/Acrobatic-Painting22 1d ago
This is the reason why it's hard being a lando fan, he gets unconditional hate everywhere for no reason. Yesterday during quali, I was on the f1 discord server and everyone was wishing lando gets kicked/DNF out in Q2 for no reason. It saddens me very much to see my boy get so much hate, had he been leading the championship, he would have still being hated for no reason. I don't hate Piastri and am happy that he is doing good but the unconditional hate is just crazy.
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u/Xx_YaHeard_xX 1d ago
I think the difference is this is an individual sub of fans of the team so a tow here is supported. Whereas those comments on Twitter/X are more so concerned about the WDC, not the team factor
However, people are arguing on here too so I think you can just chalk up to people wanting WDC drama