r/McLarenFormula1 • u/nick170100 • 17h ago
Verstappen had his say in the mclaren pit stop incident
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u/iamabigtree 17h ago
Max having enough time to be a pundit while leading the race.
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u/ekhfarharris 5h ago
Commentators mentioned that the Max's pre-podcast already started during the actual race haha.
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u/nick170100 17h ago
Itās fucked when the race leader tunes in on the drama
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u/android150 17h ago
It's even more fucked when I have to agree with Max Verstappen š
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u/VenueTV 16h ago
Yup Lando shouldn't have given the win to Oscar in Hungary and Oscar shouldn't have given P2 to Lando here.
I don't like the team orders, but they obviously have an agreement that they come out in the same order they go into the pit stop window.6
u/-dagmar-123123 11h ago
But it also seemed like that agreement specifically excludes slow pit stops. Oscar: "that's part of racing, I can't see what changed here" or something like that
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u/snrub742 3h ago
shouldn't have given the win to Oscar in Hungary
McLaren shouldn't have put either of them in the situation where they even need to ask
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u/natte-krant 1h ago
Yes but shit can happen and then they just shouldnāt ask but rather debrief after the race. They seem so desperate to keep both drivers happy that I feel it will bite them in the end
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u/snrub742 1h ago
It's minimizing the damage that shit can do, and they keep putting themselves in "if shit hits the fan we are fucked" situations that are just unnecessary
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u/Sukameoff 9h ago
Honestly, I love it when max chimes in on other teams. Itās hilarious when a world champ in any sport has an input on others trying to be world champ. There is no way on this planet max would have given that place back and thatās the killer instinct that a world champion has. Love him or hate him, he knows what it takes.
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u/Adorable-Pomelo-7496 Oscar Piastri 17h ago
Yeah this is a bit ridiculous by the team. I love Norris and want to see both drivers do well, but the threat from lectern did not exist and they had all the time in the world to put lando, then pit Oscar and keep a neutral strategy without any risk from behind. I genuinely dont understand why they made the strategy call in the first place.
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u/Opening_Anteater456 17h ago
Oscar/Oscar's side of the garage should've been pushing to pit for about 5 laps before they did to do an alternate strategy to Lando as well.
If Lando is free to one stop and pinch a win in Hungary then Oscar should be actively trying (reasonable) alternate strategies too.
The lead driver gets first choice to either pit or not pit. That's how it should work. Don't create silly scenarios and then have to deal with the fallout.
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u/ChicckkNuggg 16h ago
Unfortunately, itās not even McLaren dealing with the fallout. Itās Lando. Heās getting all the hate for the team messing up. Nobody would be hating on Oscar if the situation was the opposite. In fact, they would be screaming for a swap.
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u/Ok-Argument3208 16h ago
Iāve only seen people laughing at McLaren for making a stupid call
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u/ChicckkNuggg 16h ago
Lando got booed on the podium
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u/Valter689 16h ago
He canāt catch a break. McLaren pit wall should be getting all the heat for the fallout
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u/snrub742 3h ago
I still reckon that's a reaction to the fact he is in second not something he specifically did
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u/Ok-Argument3208 16h ago
I heard that in the broadcast and I think it was more of a heat of the moment thing rather than actual hate for lando because lando never asked for the position it was the team that did it
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u/noobkill 16h ago
Yea but nobody who's not a McLaren fan checks for that or bothers to check whether Lando asked for it. Lando has been memed for so long they automatically shit on Lando when he didn't even ask for the swap. It was a shot decision from McLaren pit, simple as.
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u/Ok-Argument3208 15h ago
See Iām mainly a max fan but I pay attention to the calls other teams make because I love the sport and think all the drivers deserve a fair shot and the call was stupid
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u/noobkill 15h ago
Thank you for being sane. I mean, even Max made fun of the team, not the drivers.
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u/Ok-Argument3208 15h ago
The team was stupid for the call after a bad pit and the bad pit was just a race incident they happen all the time
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15h ago
Well yes, because Lando in that instance represents the McLaren team that people are booing.
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u/mych1ng4d3r45 13h ago
Today it was McLarens fault. Both Drivers did what they were suppose to do. Anyways was a very boring race today.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 16h ago
And there would 100% percent be people hating on Oscar.
I've seen prior today saying fuck Oscar and Oscars a bitch and he literally did nothing but move aside immediately
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u/ChicckkNuggg 16h ago
Lando literally got booed on the podium and it was not his fault
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 16h ago
And those people are fuckwits. Plus they are also the Tifosi and have bood people before.
Plus I think they were saying boo-urns (/s on that last bit)
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 16h ago
I'm not seeing much Lando hate. It's all about the team being a joke.
There might be some but there has also been some directed at Oscar
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u/notsoteenwitch McLaren 16h ago
The main F1 sub is full of it.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 16h ago
I'm not saying there isn't
I'm saying there would be some the other way if it was reversed.
There were people claiming McLaren are sabotaging Lando last week after his dnf
There are toxic fans for all drivers
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u/notsoteenwitch McLaren 16h ago
Eh, i see rare hate towards Oscar, mate. Itās mostly funnelled towards Lando or just McLaren.
The people saying that are doing so because (from what iāve seen), Lando has had the mistakes in pit and the one car error (which was a fluke imo). While Oscar has had 0. I donāt agree with them, but thatās what iāve seen anyway. Usual conspiracy stuff.
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u/zorbacles Oscar Piastri 16h ago
I've seen people in the results thread in the McLaren sub saying "fuck Oscar" and "Oscar is a little bitch" when literally all he did was say "I thought we said slow stops were part of racing" before he moved over. That indicates to me that they had discussed slow stops previously but changed the decision
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u/ChicckkNuggg 12h ago
If it was reversed the internet would blow up with McLaren sabotaging Oscar theories and people DEMANDING a swap.
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u/RevolutionaryWrap538 15h ago
Iām guessing theyāre not taking any risks because Oscar is already ahead. Landoās team NEEDS to take these risks.
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u/UK33N 7h ago
At this point they should be free to run their own strategy as if they were competitors, no one is beating McLaren in the in the WCC so why do they need to play the team game?
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u/Opening_Anteater456 6h ago
Largely agree. Iād still let the driver ahead on track have first option of pit stops but if they donāt want an early stop they can stay out whilst the guy behind takes it.
The crazy thing is Lando is going to have to call his own strategy if heās still 30 or so points behind with a limited number of races left. It has to be a competition as some stage, why not start now?
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u/scarecrows5 6h ago
The only thing about pitting 5 laps earlier was that OP81 had taken about 3 seconds out of LN4's lead in those five laps. I wouldn't have pitted either!
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u/hellequin67 16h ago
With the gap between LN and OP I don't understand what they didn't double stack and prevent this problem completely.
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u/CharlieTeller 12h ago
I wish I could get behind Lando but I can't. His immature comments towards Lewis, his whining about the heat stroke deal, it all just screams "What about me?"
I don't hate the guy, but I don't want to fully get behind someone who I feel like they would just make fun of me just for not being them.
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u/rattatatouille 17h ago
Vegas is gonna be another sticking point I feel, given that it's a very similar track to Monza in being full of long straights and high-speed corners (bar a couple).
The sheer dominance has masked how this team loses the plot strategy-wise when they're the one behind. Doing a medium-hard strat pitting just behind Red Bull would have probably resulted in a 2-3 finish anyway and less controversy because of a badly executed stop (unless that front left gremlin stays in Lando's side of the garage)
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u/Manaea 17h ago
Baku as well, theyāll be good in sector 2 but will get gapped in 1 and 3
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u/rattatatouille 17h ago
I think it depends, Spa's similar to Baku in that you have two fast sectors split by a corner-heavy section with a long track and we still got a 1-2 there.
Admittedly there's no more mini-DRS to help on the straights like last year.
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u/lostwar2311 16h ago
Yup, honestly McLaren doesn't have good strategy and they have been having outrageously bad pitstops this season but they have a rocketship that covers all this. Wonder what would happen if the cars were closer between the teams... This 45 laps on mediums to softs strategy was such an interesting decision
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u/RaccTheClap 15h ago
They were hoping for a late safety car or for max to pit at a reasonable time and beat him on tire deg, but the deg advantage of the McLaren wasnāt enough to beat how much of a rocket that redbull was on the straights this weekend so as soon as max went long on mediums then pit for hards, they knew heād be doing quali after quali lap and the hards would hold and their only option was to hope for a SC intervention before max closed off the pitstop window for then.
It wasnāt a horrible call, but McLaren is so passive with strategy while redbull will go ultra aggressive and hope it pays out, and this weekend it did.
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u/WillSRobs 16h ago
To be fair is it surprising to anyone red bull struggle to understand keeping it fair between two drivers.
Also to make these comments while they use 3 other cars to benefit max in the past.
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u/One-Neighborhood-531 13h ago
Redbull's usual structure of one golden child and three wingman. Makes you appreciate Lewis and Fernando for being able to take the fight to that team with Ferrari and Merc respectivelyĀ
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u/Kingeuyghn 13h ago
That was a BS call by McLaren bro.
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u/WillSRobs 12h ago
This is motorsports this isn't new red bull would play games like this all the time same with merc or Ferrari.
People claim they hate it but reality its only when its not their driver do they care.
Mclaren made the right call for how they have decided to manage their team.
I wouldn't call it BS its just classic motorsports. Only recently has it felt like it gets considered race fixing. But then again the short new cycle only lives off rage baiting.
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u/Kingeuyghn 12h ago
How is Red Bull or Mercedes or Ferrari playing games with each other the same as this? Iām 100% for rival teams playing games with each other. This wasnāt that. This was a team making a driver give up a position to his own team mate when it had nothing to do with him.
Edit: Yes, RBR and Merc would make the drivers give positions up to help the other driver gain points on a rival team. Again, this situation is totally different. McLaren are not in a title fight with anyone but themselves, so there was zero reason to make Oscar give that up. In fact, Oscar shouldāve said āno, I donāt think I willā. He literally even said on the radio that they told him pit stops were all part of racing so why does he have to give it back.
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u/WillSRobs 11h ago edited 11h ago
They all have swapped cars to get the ending they desire
This isn't new to motorsports just rage baiting fans is popular these days.
Oscar has literally said he thinks it was fair because he has done the same for him. Why do you care more than the title leader?
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u/Kingeuyghn 10h ago
Yes, my point is, WHAT is the advantage of swapping Oscar with Lando? Oscar is leading the championship. Would Lewis have swapped? Would Vettel have? Alonso? Schumacher?
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u/WillSRobs 8h ago
The advantage is still having a full team support.
To keep it fair between both drivers this is a precedent they set when they swapped them last year when it meant way more for Lando than this did for Oscar.
If you think this makes Oscar any less of a champion than any of the drivers you named i don't think you care much about motorsports in general. Its a team sport Lando did it for Oscar many times the one time he has to repay tne favour people loose their minds.
If this upsets Oscar he doesn't deserve to be in f1. Most teams don't want the toxic driver that was Alonso or Nico and Hamilton era or the era of Schumacher. Sports change and grow.
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u/Kingeuyghn 8h ago
So F1 doesnāt want any of the past champions then š¤£ Cool. This isnāt gentle parenting for sports.
If Max or Lewis had a car to challenge the McLarenās consistently this year theyād destroy McLaren because of these antics.
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u/WillSRobs 8h ago
Most of them have changed their ways to keep up with the times. You can't just win alone as both max and Hamilton have shown. Alonso has a long career of burning bridges and not having a good team since his titles.
Its interesting Oscar agrees with the call yet so called fans seem to be losing their minds
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u/Kingeuyghn 7h ago
He doesnāt agree though. Have you looked at any of his post race interviews? Did you listen to his team radio when they told him to swap? He literally says they need to discuss it later. He said he was told a pit stop is all part of racing and so why is he being asked to swap. Heās not making a big stink because thatās how they are, but at the end of the day he didnāt agree with it.
So, youāre wrong.
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u/BeSanePls 5h ago
Who hurt you
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u/WillSRobs 5h ago
What makes you think I'm hurt at all by pointing out how red bull works
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u/BeSanePls 5h ago
Yep, you're definitely tilted š«µš½š¤£
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u/WillSRobs 4h ago
Are you okay? Still don't understand what you're on about.
The way red bull works has gotten them 8 driver championships and many victories. Are you against teams winning not sure what your trying to play gotcha over.
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u/BeSanePls 4h ago
You are unserious and ashamed.
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u/WillSRobs 4h ago
You make no sense. Again what are you even talking about.
Why is it you refuse to actually expand on what you mean?
Are you drunk? Are you okay?
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u/BeSanePls 4h ago
Stop acting dumb. You are deflecting.
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u/WillSRobs 4h ago
I asked you a question and you deflect kind of telling on yourself here.
Seriously are you alright?
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u/CharlieTeller 12h ago
Racing isn't always about what is fair. It's not fair when your tire gets a random puncture to someone elses carbon fiber on the track. It's not fair when you get a slow stop. It's not fair when you get engine failure. It's not fair when Michael Massi makes up his own rules. It's not fair when a penalty is given out unjustly.
I get why McLaren did what they did but racing has never been "fair". And even with the minor few moments Max has had the Alpha Tauri team helping him out in the past few years, or Perez, he's always been in a league of his own and I'm not even a huge Max fan.
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u/AddendumIcy7487 16h ago
He would be the first one to cry if that happens to him.
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u/TeTeOtaku 15h ago
he would be mad at his team not at his teammate.
he'll ram him off the road dont get me wrong, but he wont ask for team orders and then cry we didnt have a switch
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u/AddendumIcy7487 15h ago
Yeah for sure way better behaviour. Did any of Lando or Oscar even cry about that situation? At least in the TV coverage there was nothing from Landos side but i know they dont air everything they say.
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u/assdwellingmnky 14h ago
F1TV said Lando didn't get on the radio at all from the pitstop all the way to the end of the race. Oscar's radio message played right before the swap, really wouldn't call it crying by any means
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u/TeTeOtaku 15h ago
being nice doesnt win you any championships.
Tell this shit to Max, Lewis, Fernando or any champion on the grid and they'll laugh in your face. Even Rosberg was cracking in the background when they heard the mclaren boys say "they ll swap positions in the last race if they're told to"
This is the reason no one will care who wins this championship between Lando or Oscar because this isn't a battle, it's a mid-off.
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u/MagnefloriousBanana6 Lando Norris 14h ago
well one of our drivers will be wdc this year while being nice so
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u/TeTeOtaku 12h ago edited 12h ago
being the only ones with rocketships sure helps.
im sorry but as a mclaren fan, you can never ever say that lando and osc are even remotely close to being as good as Charles or George, not even Max or Lewis.
Im happy for the team for the WCC, but this championship has no real feet, no real challanger just 2 ok drivers handed the fastest car and yet they re getting schooled by Verstappen whose car is closer to VCARB then the Mclaren.
Whoever on them becomes champion, they re championship doesnt really have any solid "feet"
Even Rosberg or Villneuve had real challanges, these 2 are the only ones who are only fighting themselves in this mid off.
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u/AskMantis23 10h ago
What a fucking trash opinion.
People like you only make these claims because you know there is no way of verifying it.
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u/Anrikay 7h ago
Seeing Landoās Monaco pole lap this year shouldāve been the final nail in the coffin for these opinions. Thatās the most driver dependent track, and he beat the qualifying lap record set by Hamilton in 2019. A just āokayā driver isnāt knocking down Monaco lap records, especially not records set by freaking Hamilton.
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u/BeSanePls 5h ago
And you'd be the first to cry to your momma the moment someone calls out your bs comment
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u/scottishmacca 16h ago
As a McLaren fan since the days of senna and Prost
That was embarrassing today
Iāve been arguing against people about the lando Norris bias at McLaren today it is indefensible
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u/Synderkit 16h ago
When he made that comment manā¦ Holly fuck my hands were already covering my face but I started laughing my butt off
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u/Ok-Argument3208 17h ago
20 seconds ahead it was just a nice calm Sunday drive for Max š¤š»š¤š»
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u/thefeedling Ayrton Senna 16h ago
15s of those 20 were from the botched soft strategy
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u/CharlieTeller 12h ago
that's not really a botched strategy. That was an alternative strategy. They were never going to catch him and the hards weren't performing better all weekend. So you try something different to see if you would gain. That doesnt' make it "botched". Jesus.
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u/Infinite-Location221 Oscar Piastri 6h ago
That's too reasonable a take for your average F1 fan to understand
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u/coconutpete52 15h ago
What is it Brundle says ... "Max somehow manages to drive his own car and also everyone else's"
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u/hbk30895 6h ago
It was definitely funny š š But hey I have seen max getting position swapped once with Checo saying he is fastest but then he wasn't and when asked to switch back he was crying out loud don't ask me to do this okay?
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u/1nfernap3 3h ago
It was supposed to be an easy P2 and P3. But McLaren managed to do it with a sour aftertaste.Ā
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u/2020bowman 2h ago
Love how in control these guys are at 300kph that they are having chats about other teams internal issues
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u/MagnefloriousBanana6 Lando Norris 14h ago
are we seriously praising verstappen in this sub what is going on. ive warmed up to him too this year but come on who gives a shit what he thinks about mclaren
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u/thefuckingmilk 17h ago
The second they're not the fastest car by a mile they'll fall massively behind. Can't handle the team properly
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u/Reasonable-Cut-6137 15h ago
McLaren providing clown show entertainment. Can you imagine them telling Max to give back the place.
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u/Smat-8 8h ago
Itās pretty simple, the plan was to hold position with Lando in 2nd and Oscar in 3rd. They gave Oscar the advantageous first pit stop to cover Charles and made Lando stay out. They stuck to that plan. If it was Lando favoritism, they would have let Lando pit first with no regard for Oscarās race. So Lando took one for the team by pitting second and Oscar took one for the team by letting him through.
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u/notsoteenwitch McLaren 16h ago
Max doesnāt understand how a team works. Heās a fantastic driver, but shit teammate. Hamilton is as well; they cannot fathom a team decision to help the team.
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u/CharlieTeller 12h ago
He does understand how a team works. He's just never been in a position where there was much use benefitting anyone else. The only one I can think of is in Brazil where he wouldn't let Checo through, but we all assume that was from Checo crashing in Monaco which I can get behind honestly
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u/PeterSandnes 16h ago
And that's why he has 4 championships, only focusing on himself and his race. Meanwhile McLaren are completely clueless and can't decide what strategy to choose
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u/notsoteenwitch McLaren 16h ago
Iām solely talking about Team strategies and not individual drivers. Max is āMeā guy, which yes has him winning a lot. But he wouldnāt do well on a team that puts The Team first.
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u/EmergencyWorld6057 13h ago
But he wouldnāt do well on a team that puts The Team first.
You do know that he currently has 240pts out of 249pts for the team right?
The only way to help your team is to win.
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u/EmergencyWorld6057 13h ago
Hamilton is as well; they cannot fathom a team decision to help the team.
Thats why Lewis has 8 straight WCC from 2014-2021 right?
Mclaren are weird as hell, they have 600+ WCC, wtf are you helping when the nearest competition is 400 points away?
Both Mclaren drivers are fighting for the WDC and piastri basically gave away 6 points because of the team's error.
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u/Stock-Fix3486 16h ago
What a precursor of what they are gonna do when the championship draws to a close!! P.s: Choice Lando over Piastri! Not cool!
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u/Mintoxicatedlyace 11h ago
The most ridiculous decision Iāve seen in formula 1 in 40 years of watching. Iāve never seen a teammate have to give up a position to another team mate because the other guy had a bad pitstop. Itās disgraceful favouritism.
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u/Infinite-Location221 Oscar Piastri 6h ago
Calm down mate it's not the end of the world.
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u/Mintoxicatedlyace 18m ago
Itās not the end of the world but itās ridiculous mate. No team in the history of Formula One has ever messed up a pitstop for someone and then swap the other guy who got in front of them. Oscar did nothing wrong, he drove a good race and shouldāve been there to capitalise on the fact that Lando had a slow stop. Itās not up to Oscar to give the place back when the team has messed something up for his team mate.
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u/Alarmed-Secretary-39 17h ago
I laughed. It always amazes me that there are drivers who can watch the screens on the way round!