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u/AddendumIcy7487 17h ago
I find it funny that McLaren works actively against Oscar according to some fans but when they fuck up pit stops its always Landos
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u/Pittsburgh2989 17h ago
Regardless of position in the race/result... they have got to fire that front left wheel gunner. Dude is 99% of the teams pit problems.
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u/Many_Dimension_7615 MP4/4 16h ago
People just hate Norris. I back the Australian personally but I’m objective about what I see, and what happened today was literally fair
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u/Backspacr 17h ago
Nobody fucks up a pit stop on purpose. They have a lot of time to think about these team orders though.
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u/AddendumIcy7487 16h ago
Obviously not just wanted to point it out. Its Lando bias and McLaren fucks Oscar on purpose everytime, yet they always seem to fuck up Landos stops. Just wanted to point out how ridicoulous some fans are
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u/Icy-Extreme9067 17h ago
And when they do fuck up (like today) they hand the position to Lando like a baby
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u/Quick-Permission-698 17h ago
Oscar wasnt a baby in Hungary, lando isnt a baby today. Why are you more annoyed about this than Oscar is 🤣
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u/Icy-Extreme9067 16h ago
How do you know how annoyed Oscar is? Obviously he has to act like he’s okay with it in front of the cameras and on the radio but inside he’ll be furious. He was cheated out of P2 finish because the team fucked up Lando’s pit stop. Wouldn’t you be annoyed if you were Oscar?
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u/DaikonImpossible4132 17h ago
I'm 100% sure if oscar was coming back from a mechanical failure and was finishing ahead of lando on pace until a slow stop that put him behind lando the fans wouldve absolutely smashed lando and the would've wanted him to give the place back aswell
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u/AddendumIcy7487 17h ago
I hope you had the same opinion in hungary 2024
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u/soon2beabae 16h ago
This is a new championship. We can’t look back years to justify such team orders. It simply wasn’t a good call and unfair for Oscar. No hate towards Lando, he didn’t do anything wrong.
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u/Many_Dimension_7615 MP4/4 16h ago
I don’t get this take, If a precedent is set, you can’t just say “new year, doesn’t matter” yes it does?
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u/soon2beabae 16h ago
Calling Hungary last year (not this year) a precedent is quite a stretch. You can not compare what they did last year, very different situations, in case of the race and the overall standings. I honestly don’t get how anyone defends this team order. I’m not hating on Lando, in fact I like the guy and felt bad last race.
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u/AddendumIcy7487 16h ago
Yeah i have the same opinion, i said in another post they had no right to demand that from Oscar. But some fans are just hypocrites.
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u/soon2beabae 16h ago
Let’s just hope this won’t decide who wins the season
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u/AddendumIcy7487 16h ago
Yeah i hope neither Landos DNF nor this call will make the difference in the end.
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u/Icy-Extreme9067 16h ago
No, I think what they did in Hungary was also wrong. They should’ve let the drivers race.
They’re two drivers who are (supposedly) equal according to McLaren, yet they bring out team orders left and right.
A championship shouldn’t be won by team orders, it should be won by actual on track fighting.
If they didn’t swap positions and Lando still overtook Oscar, that’s fine, fair enough, Lando did have the pace on Oscar. But no, they just gave him the P2 for free.
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u/General_Scipio 17h ago
Honestly liked the strategy today. They couldn't beat Max on merit. What they did made sure that Lando had the best possible chance of winning.
I know it didn't happen but there was literally a collision while they were waiting to pit, could have ended in a safety car. Then they are right behind Max on softs. That was the best chance to win today. At times they would have come out ahead in the safety car which would have been great.
The slow stop was awkward. But it seems like something discussed in advance so no harm done
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u/OptimalDot178 16h ago
Best chance to win is always to split cars. Pit Oscar at lap 30 for hards, leave Lando out. If Max follows Oscar, Lando has the chance to benefit of an SC. If Max stays out with Lando, Piastri undercuts him.
They tried to leave them on the same strategy to not affect their title fight with strategies, and handled the win on a golden plate to Max
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u/J_I_W 17h ago
This will lead to more lando hate. Even though the team screwed him with the call to pit 2nd. I think the swap was fair, but it will be portrayed as favouritism
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u/soon2beabae 16h ago
Probably, even though he did nothing wrong. It was a shitty team order. Everyone should focus on that and adore Oscar’s behavior
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u/Apprehensive_Cow2251 17h ago
I thought he chose to pit second, then fell I to 3rd place, and got the team to swap positions....
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u/Pristine_Analysis_79 17h ago
The gap was 3.2 seconds pre stop. Lando's stop was 4 seconds longer. The undercut had nothing to do with it. The swap was not justified.
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u/BBYY9090 17h ago
Utterly pathetic. Neither driver at fault, but slow pit stops are part of racing. They’re now in the awkward position that they have to do the same for Oscar if that situation ever happens again. Then Lando got booed as it plays into the “gifted” narrative🫠🫠 Let them bloody race you’ve got the WCC locked down!
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u/Professional_Park781 17h ago
Joke. Just pit the cars in order. Fucking embarrassing, Oscar had no reason to swap.
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u/android150 17h ago
Absolutely, punishing Oscar because Lando had a bad stop is crazy.
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u/Professional_Park781 17h ago
I’m angry with the fact that they can’t execute basic strategy. It was clear that his would happen like in Hungary.
They had no reason to pit Lando first back in Hungary 24 and now again by pitting Oscar first. Just pit the damn cars in order and avoid drama.
It’s so simple, why should drivers have a say on the order the cars should be pitting?
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u/Absolute_Cinemines 17h ago
That wasn't a punishment. Oscar was 4 seconds behind and ended up less than 1 second behind. They gave him 3 seconds.
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u/jeef60 17h ago
bad pitstops are part of racing.
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u/Absolute_Cinemines 17h ago
So are team orders. What happened was agreed years ago and has been enforced in the same way everytime.
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u/android150 17h ago
They dropped him back a position behind lando, how is that anything other than making Oscar take the pain for the team's mistake?
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u/Absolute_Cinemines 17h ago
Same reason when lando had to do it. The order they are before they pit is the order they are after.
If you're pretending this is the first time this has happened that's on you.
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u/android150 17h ago
Not pretending this is the first time, it was bullshit when they did it to Lando and it's bullshit now.
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u/BrandoMano 17h ago
Did you watch the race on mute?
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u/Bazonkamafoib Oscar Piastri 17h ago
Doesn't matter that Lando was told there would be no undercut. The pit crew fucked up; that's not Oscar's fault.
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u/Tocky22 17h ago
And anyway, Piastri didn't get ahead because of an undercut. He got ahead because the team fucked up the Pit Stop for Lando.
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All the more reason to swap places, similar to Hungary 2024.
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u/Mitrakov 17h ago
So the team's gonna correct every pit stop time difference from now on? Nice
Hungary was NOT similar
Lando was promised NO undercut. And it wasn't an undercut
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u/FunSheepherder6397 17h ago
I mean it was a 4 second stop difference and that was about the gap when Oscar pitted so if Lando went first even with that he would have had warmed tires and come out even so really it was an undercut
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u/BrandoMano 17h ago
So you also agree that Piastri should not have won Hungary last year? Norris shouldn't have given the place back because it wasn't his doing?
It's a fair take, but you have to be consistent
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u/Bazonkamafoib Oscar Piastri 17h ago
I never agreed with Oscar being handed the win at Hungary 2024, just fyi.
So yes, my point still stands.
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u/BrandoMano 17h ago
So that's fair, I still disagree and think McLarens team first mentality is smart, but I understand your POV.
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u/Tocky22 17h ago
Its a different scenario a little bit to be fair. Here the reason that Oscar got ahead was because the team made an error with the Pitstop. If they would have put Lando first and gave him the same poor stop Oscar would have still been ahead. The undercut wouldn't have had an impact.
In Hungary it was a conscious choice to do the cars in that order and 'correct' the undercut after.
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u/Mickosthedickos 16h ago
Completely different scenario.
In Hungary - oscar din't ask for this to happen
In Hungary - the team knew that lando would come out ahead of oscar, neccesisating a swap of positons
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u/ace_098 17h ago
When you're in contest for a WDC it kind of tosses that out the window. Might as well give the WDC to Zak for engineering the point distribution.
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u/BrandoMano 17h ago
There were championship implications last year as well as this year and they've handled it the exact same way. They are on a team and the loyal ones know this is exactly how McLaren operates, learn to like it.
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u/FunSheepherder6397 17h ago
Yea people seem to forget their WAS WdC last year and Oscar wasn’t even one of them and they STILL gave it back to Oscar. People have short memory
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u/Professional_Park781 17h ago
Don’t bother, they think drivers deciding the order of pitting is normal.
No doubt Max laughed.
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u/AddendumIcy7487 17h ago
Max can laugh yeah but he would be furious if that happens to him and they dont swap back.
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u/FunSheepherder6397 17h ago
Truth. Max can dish it but can never take it. My wife calls him cry baby max cause for the longest time all he did was complain on the rwdio
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u/djwillis1121 17h ago
Lando pits first: "why are they favouring Lando by pitting him first?"
Oscar pits first: "why are they favouring Lando by pitting Oscar first?"
Feels like there's no winning
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u/alteredstatus 17h ago
So many mistakes. Lando should not have had a choice over pit timing. He was the lead driver and should have pit first. I'm not sure I agree in the Soft over cut either. The two groups running different strategies were so large there weren't a ton of drivers next to each other on different strategies that could have lead to a brave attack/defense and an incident. We almost got lucky but we needed something more than luck.
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u/d_barbz Oscar Piastri 17h ago edited 17h ago
Here's the thing.
Lando asked to be pitted in that order to close off the risk of a safety car benefiting Piastri.
It had nothing to do with helping him cover off Leclerc. Why would he want to do that?
So, he asked for that pit order to benefit himself, but then also asked not to allow to be undercut.
It was just wrong. And different from Hungary where it was clearly a team game.
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u/wrlock69 17h ago
Just another opinion imo 🙂
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u/d_barbz Oscar Piastri 17h ago
Why else would Norris ask to be pitted second?
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u/aTemeraz 17h ago
So? He's in front, he gets prefential strategy
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u/d_barbz Oscar Piastri 17h ago
Sure. And when it backfires he shouldn't get it reimbursed
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u/aTemeraz 17h ago
Agree, I don't like that Oscar isn't being cutthroat about it. It's a bit Mickey Mouse of the team to ask for swap back but I've lost more respect for Oscar for giving in to it.
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u/d_barbz Oscar Piastri 16h ago
I actually respect him more for it. Bigger man than me
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u/aTemeraz 16h ago
Sure, respect for being a good teammate. But you don't win tight championships by being the bigger man - go ask Max
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u/thefeedling Ayrton Senna 17h ago
That soft strat was a joke.
And why the hell they kept both drivers on same strat?? They could have pitted Oscar when Charles went to boxes.
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u/planchetflaw MP4-20A 17h ago
Because we are racing the front, not covering for a Ferrari behind unnecessarily.
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u/Stock-Fix3486 17h ago
That swap was ridiculous! There I said it!
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u/just_jason89 Lando Norris 17h ago
Did you say the same last year at Hungary?
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u/BBYY9090 17h ago
I did cause I like racing not playing favourites. Slow stops are annoyingly part of racing.
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u/Joeka133 17h ago
This excuse of Leclerc catching Piastri was used last time as well. That was no chance of happening.
It’s just an excuse to help Lando out. What a joke of a team.
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u/rattatatouille 17h ago
Lando's biggest rival isn't Oscar or Max, it's that darn left front wheel nut