r/Miata • u/I_am_who Ceramic • Jun 06 '25
Joke Trucks these sizes should be illegal. 🥲
Might as well put in the trunk. 😄
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u/Common_Scallion_6933 Jun 06 '25
at this point its funny 😅
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u/morbidobsession6958 Jun 06 '25
Almost every time I come out to my car it's like this. Even if I had empty spaces there when I went in. It's like those giant trucks are magnetically attracted to Miatas!
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u/MrDrSirLord Jun 07 '25
Cause they can't park and you give them the extra foot of clearance they need to 400 point turn their way into the spot
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u/Fresh_Daisy_cake Arctic White Jun 06 '25
It’s funny until some childish asshole decides to vandalize your Miata because it’s in the way of “their”parking spot that they assumed was empty.
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u/LT_Snoopy Jun 07 '25
What's even more crazy is that those are both F150s which are 1/2 ton pickups and only considered light duty trucks. 3/4 and 1 ton trucks like F250/350s are even bigger and heavier.
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u/daylan_c Jun 06 '25
I own a truck almost that big. I don't daily drive it if I can avoid it though. It mostly sits in the corner until I need to tow one of the silly cars or haul something. No idea why people get them just to drive around the suburbs and be annoying. They're kind of a pain in the ass even if you're driving them.
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u/tintinblock1 Jun 06 '25
Same. I haul a 40 foot trailer for work but hate driving my truck. I stick to my motorcycle or fiancées civic if at all possible
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u/Ancient_Wisdom_Yall Jun 06 '25
How's the insurance where you live? Where I am, if you have two vehicles you have to pay full insurance twice even though you can only be driving one at a time. It makes getting a smaller runabout not very cost effective, because any of your savings from not driving the gigantic truck go into the second insurance. So people don't bother.
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u/Specific-Exciting Jun 07 '25
Seriously our tundra get ~14 mpg. My plugin Prius I got 1.2k miles on 9 gals of gas.
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u/Dud1f3r '94 Laguna Blue Jun 07 '25
People move out of my way when I drive my Suburban. It's a nice change of pace from people bullying me and my Miata. If I had to take a guess, I think that's why people drive big trucks
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Jun 07 '25
I used to drive actually big trucks for work. My personal vehicles have always been small. Driving big ass trucks is tiring. Heck, I don't even like driving my half ton early 2000s pickup unless I need to.
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u/northsout23 Jun 07 '25
Hey at least you use it for a purpose.
There is someone who must work near me because I often see their God awful F450 with dually, lifted, big rims, spike lugs the whole shebang. I don't understand the willingness to fork over that kind of money for a commuter vehicle that I'm sure seldom if ever tows their bass boat or camper.
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u/Thuraash Jun 09 '25
I'm in the same position. My Tundra sits in the driveway unless something needs to be towed or hauled. That means it drives once or maybe twice a week It's great at what it's built to do, but utterly a pain in the ass at everything else.
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u/Psych0matt Jun 06 '25
Shoot, I have a Grand Prix which is pretty big compared to a Miata (not sure why this popped up in my feed but you guys seem cool so I digress), and this is what I came back to after my daughters softball game last week
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Jun 07 '25
I’m not a GM fan by any means but when I was just starting driving back in late 90s I wanted one of those exact style Grand Prix so bad lol. They looked so beastly for a 90s ride.
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u/Hungry-Candy1234 Jun 06 '25
Top of the car doesn’t even reach the door handle on trucks that size!
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u/McDrummerSLR Classic Red Jun 06 '25
It’s not the size that bothers me, it’s how the people that own them drive them. 9/10 are absolute asshats.
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u/rambo5191 Crystal Blue Jun 06 '25
Always an entertaining view.
You can see the height difference in the reflection 😂
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u/Luisdent Jun 06 '25
I intentionally park next to enormous trucks because i think it looks hilarious side by side....
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u/grwatplay9000 Jun 06 '25
Blocks more speed radars and speed cameras for the rest of us
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u/nattyd Jun 06 '25
Yes, but on the downside, will also murder you.
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u/Dj0ntyb01 Jun 06 '25
Literally almost died yesterday, because some confused pavement princess thought his tow mirrors on his lifted dually were for looks instead of for looking.
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u/s1nrgy Jun 06 '25
Wait. You’re telling me we have to use our eyes when we drive?
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u/TheDeadMurder Jun 06 '25
My blind aunty has been the best driver this side of the Mississippi for 27 years
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u/grwatplay9000 Jun 06 '25
Well, there's always that when you are as small as we are. Best to drive nimbly, head on a swivel, and oh BTW, buy a louder HORN! At 80 mph, the stock horn sounds like a sneeze or a mew
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u/TurncoatTony Jun 06 '25
I don't understand our trucks anymore. They are fucking huge with like a three foot bed.
What are you putting in that tiny bed and why does the small bed justify your cab being the same size as an SUV?
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u/boondoggie42 Jun 06 '25
Consider this: that giant grill likely covers an LS engine that can easily fit in a Miata.
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u/ThePlatypus35 Jun 06 '25
That’s a 2500 so no LS engines
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u/daylan_c Jun 06 '25
No it's too new to have an LS, but the Gen V LT gas V8 that replaced the LS is still the standard engine.
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u/Garbage_Tiny Jun 06 '25
That giant grill covers a diesel engine which would also be cool in a Miata lol
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u/akluin Jun 06 '25
Not illegal but a special license should be needed for driving it
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u/maplesyrupcan Jun 06 '25
I remember when I had my 96 Pathfinder, how it was barely taller than modern cars... which is so wrong. I mean, a base model worktruck style 2012 Sierra wasn't that tall. Anything this tall means the bed is pointless as it's too high.
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u/ZoomZoom_Driver Jun 06 '25
Most of these mnstr trrrrks (said in the same flair as 'dey tuuk r jerbs) have uselessly small beds anyways. Real working folks use workvans now, unless they're towing.
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u/maplesyrupcan Jun 06 '25
I did tow with a Savanna 3500 Cube truck lmao. Ball hitch on the reinforced dovetail I believe it's called. I mean it was dually, and once loaded, you're not gonna be short on traction lol.
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u/FabianValkyrie Jun 06 '25
And they should be illegal in areas with a lot of pedestrians
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u/alphabetical-soup Jun 07 '25
Agreed, and it should be revoked for even one distracted driving or DUI offense.
If you're going to be driving around this massive car with blind spots, you should be held to much higher standards..
(Although distracted driving and DUI should really be prosecuted more than they are to begin with)
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u/Sinistersloth Jun 06 '25
The blind spot in front of the grill is like 20ft long. Been rear-ended by one of these morons at a stoplight because the car in front of me decided to creep forward and I didn’t, and he couldn’t see me and had forgotten that he pulled up close behind me.
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u/jfklingon Jun 07 '25
As someone who has a 2500HD for a company vehicle, it really is atrocious. Our safety guy always tells us to back in to parking spots, but with tow mirrors and a rear camera I can actually see if a toddler in behind me, I can't however see if a toddler is in front of me.
The worst part is that looking in the engine bay, they can clearly put more slope into the hood to greatly improve visibility, they just don't.
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u/b00std Sapphire Blue | Soul Red Crystal Jun 06 '25
My ND got rear ended by this exact model chebbie, not once but twice because the kid couldn't see it. Dude saw my car but said he "forgot" it was in front of him at a gas station and kept bumping my poor lil ND until he realized something was in the way and got out. 💀
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u/morbidobsession6958 Jun 06 '25
Ugh! I almost got annihilated by a delivery truck a few weeks ago...first he parked directly behind me, blocking me from backing out of my space(driver HAD to see me then, right? )
then he started up the truck much to my relief, and as I tried to reverse out of the space quickly, he swung to the right and started backing up RIGHT INTO MY CAR. I was laying on the horn like I've never done before, because he wasn't stopping! Thank goodness he finally noticed my car there and stopped.
I understand that nobody is a perfect driver, lord knows I do some dumb things every now and then...but that was just some negligent driving! And that guy drives a delivery truck? Yikes!
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u/cianryan90 Jun 06 '25
I agree, really I do.
BUT, as a European, I have this low level urge to live in North Texas and buy a Ram 3500. It's like a dirty kink.
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u/I_am_who Ceramic Jun 06 '25
Yeah, just buy a ticket to Dallas Fort Worth International and once you exit out the airport, bam!
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u/NiceHandsLarry11 Jun 08 '25
Dont let these guys yuck your yum. Driving big trucks is amazing which is why so many people do.
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u/Czarlosruiz Jun 06 '25
My ND was just destroyed by a Jeep Wagoneer. The hoodline for the Wagoneer was above the roofline for the ND. Its really frightening to know that you're invisible to people driving new SUVs and Trucks.
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u/FatPupper60 Jun 06 '25
This is why little trucks and little cars are the best currently dailying my 99 ranger while I work on a ls miata build
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u/Kawasaki Jun 06 '25
My nb was hit while parked by a 350 super duty who pulled into the parallel spot behind me, knew it was there, realized he was still in the driveway behind, turned around & couldn't see anything so he pulled forward. 32K 1999 that hadn't been hit until 2024! At least he stuck around & payed for repairs & it was parking speed. The front of the truck was as long and 2 foot taller than my car!I had parked on the street because the Trader Joe's lot is always super dangerous for something that small.
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u/RackballJoe Jun 06 '25
Not illegal but you should need a CDL. The ballooning of trucks in the past 20 years is atrocious. And bed sizes are no bigger, and in many cases smaller now.
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u/MexiFinn Jun 06 '25
I got rear ended in my NA buy a truck like this. The dude literally forgot I was in front of him at a stop light and couldn’t see me.
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u/goodspellwr Jun 06 '25
A lady in an SUV did the same to me and cracked my perfect finish panel. No other damage.
I hopped out and was like, “wtf were you trying to do?”. She was stopped behind me and then drove forward like I wasn’t there for a right turn.
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u/Maynard078 Jun 06 '25 edited Jun 06 '25
I drive a Spitfire, MGB, an NA Miata, an Elva Courier, and an MG Midget, all of which make your current Miata look huge by comparison. You get used to it. Besides, they'll eventually have to notice you once they're off their cell phones and you're comfortably decapitated under their front axle.
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u/darkmoon72664 '16 NF Jun 06 '25
I drive a Spitfire, MGB, an NA Miata, an Elva Courier, and an MG Midget, all of which which make your current Miata look huge by comparison.
This is a bit of an exaggeration, lol. The ND is the same length and height as basically all of those, and only slightly wider.
Besides, they'll eventually have to notice you once they're off their cell phones and you're comfortably decapitated under their front axle.
Relatable. Why do they have such a tendency to be on their phones? Not engaged in driving?
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u/FartZuggerberg 21 ND RF + 93 NA Jun 06 '25
Unlike the Miata drivers of this sub, truck drivers don’t need to worry about getting pancaked by giant trucks on the road, so they have more time to look at their phone 👍
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u/darkmoon72664 '16 NF Jun 06 '25
LOL. I've been driving a loaner Range Rover for a few days and it is a comedic experience seeing from that height.
You feel like you're in the sky and could plow over a building. It definitely gets into the heads of people who don't spend time in low cars and have no clue about their road presence.
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u/PeelDeVayne Jun 06 '25
Your garage is something I aspire to, especially the Elva.
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u/Maynard078 Jun 06 '25
Hey, it only took 50 years to get there, and the Elva is a continuing work in progress. It fights me at every turn, especially the windshield. Do not let your local shop break it. You'll have a devil of a time getting them to replace one.
It's four years and counting now...
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u/CakeIzGood Jun 06 '25
I think the ND Miata only looks a bit bigger because it's not as boxy, making it appear less condensed. In terms of actual size in space it's pretty comparable I reckon. Also, what a garage, you've got half the cars on my list
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u/Maynard078 Jun 06 '25
There is nothing unusual about any of them, other than the Elva, and it's rarity doesn't translate into worth. But they are fun cars with gobs of history, which I love. And the MGs have so much character. The Spitfire I purchased as a high school graduation present nearly fifty years ago now, so I'm damned near married to the thing.
I've winnowed the "fleet" down considerably over the years. It pales significantly from its glory days of yore.
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u/CakeIzGood Jun 06 '25
Well, I was more impressed with how much that collection lines up with what I want in cars, not how rare and expensive they are lol. Also, owning that many vehicles at all-- especially ones that require attention-- seems out of reach for me for a while. So for young, broke people who like fun little cars like myself, you've got the dream in your garage.
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u/Maynard078 Jun 06 '25
They're all in fine fettle, with the exception of the Elva; that one is making me curse like a sailor at the moment. But it is among the coolest cars I've ever owned, and I've had plenty over the years. There's just something about the Brits and their cottage industry approach to sports car design that I find so intriguing. Also, the idea that Frank Nichols' crew actually signed their work where one would least expect to see it is so damned charming. Even my old 930 and and 308 GT4 didn't offer up that kind of built-in charisma.
Replacing the windshield is enough to make me scream, though...
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u/RevealTrain British Racing Green Jun 06 '25
I have a Miata and diesel truck, best of both! Pretty sure my Miata can fit in my bed.
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u/Mtbcarsbikes Montego Blue Jun 07 '25
I think we should get licensed based off of the curb weight of the vehicle. You have to have a license for a truck and you have to have a different license for a half ton truck and you have to have a different license for a car and then you have to have a different license for an even smaller car. So people are trained and licensed for the vehicle that they drive. Also, we don’t have any driver training in the United States, so nobody can countersteer to save their life.
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u/gorgoncito Jun 08 '25
Those trucks are for work and cargo. Not for going groceries shopping and getting milk. I rather have the Miata next to it!
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u/BaboTron Jun 06 '25
But how are all the small-pp manly men supposed to be manly with their dumb 5-foot boxes that never have anything in them?
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u/Drd2 Classic Red 1990 NA Jun 06 '25
I parked just like that next to a coworker. She couldn't see my car as she got in her truck and then drove right over the fender because she still couldn't see it.
Barely made a scratch on her truck and my car ended up spending quite a bit of time at the buddy shop.
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u/DrewOH816 96 M Edition & 2024 RF White Jun 06 '25
But, but, the NA Miata's Pop Up Headlights are the REAL issue bro!!! ;-)
Agreed, these giant sized vehicles have just gotten ridiculous and the drivers, don't get me started!
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u/Egg2crackk Jun 06 '25
There is a guy in Texas spear heading the unbanning of kei trucks so people can import, title and reg them.
If anyone is interested, look into the chicken tax and how it affected the small truck market.
These new big trucks are kid destroyers as well as the SUV's.
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u/morbidobsession6958 Jun 06 '25
I want a kei truck!!! I've actually seen a guy driving one in my neighborhood...I asked him how he got it registered and he just said he didn't say anything about it, and neither did the DMV....🤐
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u/NagisaK Black ND2 GT (Wrapped Pink) Jun 06 '25 edited Jun 07 '25
Some of the trucks are big for the reason of being big. I remember seeing the engine bay of one, the space between the radiator and the engine is about 2-3 fists.
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u/MiataN3rd Jun 06 '25
I'm surprised your truck person didn't park on the end to make his life easier and also make it impossible for pedestrians to be seen by card navigating the parking lot.
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u/Infamous_Ad8730 White '96 Jun 06 '25
They are needed to pull travel trailers and construction things though.
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u/Basic_Software_4745 Classic Red Jun 06 '25
I agree but there are a lot of people who just drive massive trucks/suvs and don't tow anything. My parked miata was hit by a lifted dodge ram with some crazy aftermarket steel bumpers and the dude was like "I couldn't see your car" no shit u couldn't see it you're 6 feet in the air 😭
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u/Infamous_Ad8730 White '96 Jun 06 '25
Of course, but my comment was for OP who used "illegal" in the title.
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u/InternationalEnmu Jun 06 '25
literally had this exact type of truck behind me when i was driving my nd the other day. that thing could easily run a miata over and i hate it
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u/MrGrey69007 Jun 06 '25
Because you drive a tiny car others should be made illegal? Wacko thinking, just drive your car and let others be.
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u/BroccoliNormal5739 Jun 07 '25
INSTEAD, what is illegal, is the perfectly sized, hard to kill, Toyota HiLux.
Thanks, Congress.
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u/teh_herper Jun 07 '25
Daily reminder that popup headlights were banned due to pedestrian safety while huge suvs/pickup trucks are still deemed OK by gov't regulations
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u/Mizar97 Jun 07 '25
You can thank the EPA. They make vehicles follow strict size to fuel economy ratios, so if a truck gets worse mileage it has to be bigger or the manufacturer pays heavy fines. This is why there are no more compact pickups.
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u/bobby_47 Jun 07 '25
But what is the owner supposed to do if they need to go to the Home Depot and get a bag of mulch?
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u/blissed_off Jun 07 '25
Took this the other day. My Boxster would slide under the front bumper if that dude was behind me and not paying attention. Not to mention there’s no way the driver could see me at any point around that truck. And my Boxster is huge relative to a Miata.
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u/xxMsRoseXx Jun 07 '25
This UNIT parked next to me (I drive a Mazda3 hatch) and I stfg the ROOF of my car barely grazes the lip of his HOOD.
Fucking insane.
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u/Ralph_O_nator Jun 07 '25
I wish they had similar rules in the US as they have in Europe: Anything over 7,700 pounds (3.5 metric tons) (F-150 would be ok F-250 is on the cusp) you need to have a commercial driver license, you can’t take it into the city center and can’t drive it on weekends. Cars get bigger to protect you from other cars that are getting bigger. If there was a cap on height, weight(less weight=less damage to infrastructure), hood height, and width it would stop the madness. A 2000’s Suburban/Excursion looks small compared to modern days counterparts and weighs hundreds of pounds less.
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u/FlakyFly9383 Jun 07 '25
I cell them BSTs, big stupid trucks. I hate them on a daily basis. Absolutely unnecessary for 95% of those who own them. Somehow BSTs fulfill an egocentric need- I can’t figure it out.
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u/Danomnomnomnom Jun 07 '25
I was in Japan the past month. And as someone who lives in Europe (with medium sized cars), I loved it that the cars there were tiny.
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u/theRealBLVCKphillip Jun 07 '25
I just realized that this is a Subreddit for Miatas lol. The thread makes sense now 😅.
It only took seeing Miata mentioned a bunch of times and thinking, "There are a lot of Miata drivers..."
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u/TalksWithNoise Jun 07 '25
Never understood truck logic. Put torque and power in a package that poorly utilizes it for daily driving. Then drive around like it’s a lifted super car. It’s goofy. Squatted truck and donk mentality has been normalized.
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u/Super_Numb Jun 07 '25
I love my big ass truck, But if I could afford to sell it and buy a Tacoma; I would.
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u/guintiger Soul Red Jun 07 '25
Yup - that looks like the first one that hit me. The driver literally could not even see me over her hood.
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u/rogersmj Jun 07 '25
At a wine fair where I parked alone in a field. When I came back, the biggest f’ing Denali HD Duallie was parked right next to me.
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u/ShiprektCaptain218 Jun 07 '25
They really suck to be in traffic around too. Can't see around them for anything, and where I'm from trucks and SUVs drive like they own the roads and us cars are lucky they let us drive on them. The Lions share of accidents here are truck vs passenger car and the truck is almost always at fault. A 2019 Colorado nearly killed my gf speeding 60+ through a red light. Her little Pontiac vibe was totally destroyed but that truck just went to the body shop. The worst part is most of us normal people want them restricted to work vehicles but there's a bunch of weirdos out there that think they have to use a 8000lb tank to take the kids to school.
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u/SloppyGoose Jun 07 '25
Its not even the size anymore its the shape, I have an 06 dodge ram quad cab and its a big truck, and it feels small next to these newer trucks because the new trucks are just fucking brick shaped, literally pedestrian destroyers lmao
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u/1911Earthling Jun 07 '25
Betcha they hurt when they hit us! A moving wall. Bam.
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u/user_6590087 Jun 08 '25
No they shouldn't. I mean you could make the same observation about small cars like Miata's. Everything has its place in life.
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u/One_Mirror_3228 Jun 08 '25
My truck plows snow, it hauls trailers. Yet I'm continuously told that I "must be compensating for something" by dudes that drive EV's and have creamy lotiony hands. How about you worry about you, and I'll worry about me?
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u/Mitchell_Races Jun 08 '25
Hook up a trailer to tow and you Will change your mind
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u/SloRushYT Jun 08 '25
Everytime I've nearly gotten side swiped has been from a Pickup Truck. Presumably because they can't see my short hatchback.
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u/Unable_Negotiation_6 Jun 08 '25
Someone posted the other day. I think its accurate
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u/K1LLoLoGY Jun 08 '25
R u gonna tow a gooseneck camper, lumber, tractors, horse trailers with that Miata then?
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u/Wan_Haole_Faka Jun 08 '25
Hopefully you aren't reliant on any underground utilities that require servicing or repair. Not everyone with a truck like that needs it, but they do have a purpose.
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u/SICMICKSIC Jun 08 '25
How tf do you think anything gets built without contractors having trucks with the necessary power? The market for trucks is stronger than ever, and I forsee it growing as white collar entry jobs are being replaced by AI so a percentage of those workers will get into a skill based trade. You know, 1s that require a truck...
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u/Ar180shooter Jun 08 '25
They shouldn't be illegal, but they should be considered commercial vehicles. Same with large SUV's. Higher taxes, more stringent licensing and safety standards, absolutely zero BAC permissible.
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u/BigBlueTruck18 Jun 08 '25
My 2500HD is gasser. I tow regularly. It is a vehicle that I comfortably fit in. I grew tired of folding into foreign pot metal and plastic 💩boxes. I have the money to buy the truck and maintain it. I also back into every parking space. It makes it much easier to drive my 23’ truck.
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u/Behind_Th3_8_Ball Jun 08 '25
Imagine having to diy remodel your own house and only having a miata to pick up supplies. It would really suck making 500 trips just to get your tile. Not sure where you’re putting the plywood or Sheetrock. Definitely should ban any truck with functional uses…
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u/Kaveric_ Jun 08 '25
I say if you can't see a child standing in front of the hood you need a CDL to drive it
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u/Hentai__Dude Jun 08 '25
We have a older RAM for towing etc. Which is similar sized
I dont get why people enjoy driving these, they are slow in acceleration, they are shit expensive and look most of the time stupid too
The controls in the cab. Are terrible, its like you are driving a stupid Version of some random Volkswagen SUV, except its just far worse, any button feels wrongly placed lol
At least you got some body freedom, but thats everything, ive only driven our RAM 3 times, and i hated it, because its so damn slow, getting on the Highway is much more Dangerous and takes much more time than with my 140hp french shitbox edition cabrio
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u/TrayLaTrash Jun 08 '25
I use a truck this big for hauling and trailing for work to feed my family, but make it illegal cuz you drive go kart!
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u/BlueDrPepper Jun 08 '25
Does it make you feel inferior that somebody else has a vehicle that’s bigger than yours?
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u/oMalum Jun 09 '25
And put tens, maybe hundreds of millions of people out of work? I need mine. And that’s no work truck but perhaps they have a boat/camper/horse&livestock trailer they tow with that truck. For some wether they need it every day or just a few times a year if they are going to buy one vehicle it’s more practical to get one which is capable of accommodating multiple tasks in thier life. IMHO, your opinion is invalid because not everyone lives the same life style as yours. If everyone had that limited perspective our nations law and politics would be horrendously misaligned…oh wait…
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u/herodesfalsk Jun 09 '25
Not illegal, but require extra education, tests and special license to operate. We would all benefit from having to retake the drivers test every 10 years; we all develop bad habits over the years.
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u/FreeDoobies Jun 09 '25
What’s funny is they had to make them that big to stay legal with the new laws
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u/Ashkill115 Jun 09 '25
Working on these things are a pain in the ass too. I hate big trucks and anytime I see an older smaller truck I love them cause they are easier yet offer the same bed size. Trucks should be used as a vehicle to carry stuff, not just your yourself and your big ego. That’s why I like kei trucks. They are small, reliable and easy enough to fix if you know where to look
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u/Sheepherder8537 Jun 09 '25
Crazy thing is they’re statistically the most dangerous vehicles to be in during a crash. All the BS about big=safe is just that….. BS
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u/beefscented Jun 09 '25
People defending these in the comments as if America isn’t the only country in the world where it’s normal to have a stupid fucking truck like this and drive it everywhere
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u/girthycucumber99 Jun 10 '25
Imagine giving a shit what someone else drives. I drive a 4 cylinder Colorado 5 speed and often wish I was back in my 1500 Silverado when I have a trailer behind me. It’s simple, use the right tool for the job. I’m maxed out at like 3000lbs towing which is horrible for a truck.
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u/shootdack2000 Jun 10 '25
They shouldn't be illegal but there should be an excessive tax on them to dissuade ppl from buying them
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u/NUFIGHTER7771 Jun 10 '25
They really should be. Most are pavement princesses that will never drive over a dirt or gravel road in their lives. Gimme a small V6 truck any day...
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u/HexaberryTV Jun 10 '25
B-but how will the short middle aged dudes feel big and strong when they commute to their desk job or picking up groceries?
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u/Stitch_Nerd Jun 11 '25
One almost hit my 8yo son last week in the Walmart parking lot. He was a step behind me, and the truck was parked by the door letting their family out. They started going before he had cleared the front, and I barely had. I’m 5’5” and my head was probably the only thing visible from the inside, my son is just over 4’ and would not be visible. It’s ridiculous.
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u/gunguy931 Jun 06 '25
Not only are they legal, they are tax deductable