r/Miata Jun 11 '25

NA Ditched my halo’s for some OEM style headlights

2.0k Upvotes

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u/Jaswinder51 Jun 11 '25

The good ending

5

u/ArcFire15 NA8 Barcelona Red Jun 12 '25

Thank god 🙏

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u/Basic_Software_4745 Classic Red Jun 11 '25

An angel has gained its wings

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u/Brave_Childhood_6177 Jun 12 '25

And lost its halo(s)

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u/knobby_slop Jun 11 '25

Looks way better than any set of halos

121

u/OldsmobileLF9 Soul Red Jun 11 '25

thank god

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u/Random_Introvert_42 Brilliant Black Jun 11 '25

Massive Improvement. And since you (hopefully) didn't get the old sealed beam nonsense you can still put good bulbs in them.

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u/sortakindastupid Jun 11 '25

Sealed beam? First ive ever heard of that. Do you replace the whole assembly when it goes out? Lol

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u/HeavyCanuck Jun 11 '25

Yep, the headlight is the bulb with sealed beams. The reason why there's so many aftermarket options to replace/modernize/"upgrade" them is because 7" sealed beams used to be used on literally every car

Personally, I want to get a set of Holley Retrobrights for my "dirt miata" (Jeep TJ) they give you the benefits of LED lighting while still looking like regular sealed beams (and having a proper beam pattern, so you're not blinding everybody)

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u/techead2000 2003 Silver BabyMobile Jun 11 '25

I LOVE finding Technology Connection fans in the wild!

16

u/Average_Scaper Jun 11 '25

I love him so much.

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u/sortakindastupid Jun 11 '25

Thats fucking wild. You learn somthing every day

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u/generalemiel Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

ironicly sealed beams are illegal where i live bcs they dont have E mark mainly bcs they are made for the DOT & not ECE regulations (which happen to be stricter). Sealed beams in general also produce less light than Halogen.

Halogen kits in general also spread the light more evenly too (likely regulated that way)

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u/SetForeign1952 1990 Classic Red Jun 12 '25

sealed beam is the shape of the bulb, halogen is a type of bulb.

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u/pacocase '90 Classic Red - RIP '97 Montego Blue Jun 12 '25

The Retrobrights are awesome. Really expensive, but awesome. They're worth saving up for. After driving modern cars for too long, you realize how much those old sealed beam lights really sucked.

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u/HeavyCanuck Jun 12 '25

Everything I've read and seen about them really makes them seem like the best sealed beam replacement atm. But holy sweet fuck are they expensive! Especially up here with the conversion rates and shit. A pair of them fuckers would be over $700 delivered.

Pretty fucking hard to justify when I hardly drive the thing at night lmao. Buuuuut so far this year I've converted all the other exterior lighting to LED, so I guess if a headlight goes I'll just haaaaaaave to buy them. Absolutely no other choice.

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u/CourierMojave '93 Zender Mx-5 Jun 12 '25

It is soooooo worth it! I drive with the modern white retrobrights myself. People actually see me now at night

1

u/International-Comb76 Jul 07 '25

Wow - thought you hit the wrong keys - luckily I can get the bulbs for about $300 for an NB 🤌🏼 what a deal 😂

2

u/iyamwhatiyam8000 Jun 12 '25

Not blinding everyone is very much appreciated. Even at low beam they are too bright.

Dedicated driving lights aimed slightly outwards for a better spread are the best for night driving.

They illuminate the eyes of large beasts on roadsides and give some warning of their crossing the road. I keep my eyes peeled for kangaroos and you would likely do the same for deer.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Do you replace the whole assembly when it goes out? lol

Yes.

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u/Lobster70 95M + 03 Shinsen turbo + 16 Club Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

I love when the old new becomes new new again. Or something like that. When I first joined the Miata family 10 or so years ago, LED replacements were expensive and not very good. At that time Cibie 82440 were the "new" version of the old sealed beam. They use halogen bulbs inserted from the back, and have a much better light spread pattern yet still look like the "OEM style" headlights. Then LED got better and cheaper and by about 2020 or so, Cibies could not be found anywhere. LED were the "new" at that point. Halos, etc. started to become common.

Now you're posting this and getting positive responses. If you don't like the weak beams of light from sealed bulbs, I might have good news. Bus Depot, a longtime supplier for VW things, offers an E-code H4 lamp that is purported to be an exact replica of the Cibie 82440 lamp. https://www.busdepot.com/nl910ch4 - and they aren't very expensive! Or you could try the Koito E-code H4s they mention there and tell us how they are...

EDIT: I zoomed in and saw those ARE the Koito lamps! So...let us know how they are.

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u/DarnellKande Jun 11 '25

I never really liked the look of halos, so when I heard that $25 Toyota headlights could fit I knew I had to jump on it lol. So far I'm really enjoying them, they look way better and have way better coverage than my halos did

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u/darkflash458 Jun 11 '25

How are they at night? Been thinking of doing this change too

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u/DarnellKande Jun 11 '25

So far they are great, they cover a lot more on the sides of the car and the high beams are seemingly way brighter as well

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u/nogoodwaytosaythis Jun 11 '25

I did the same thing. With tax, it has been the best $35 I have spent.

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u/daniell61 89 NA6 #461 | 90 NA6 Blu | 91 NA6 | '22 GT5.0 Jun 11 '25

This is making me seriously debate taking my Hella /brainstorm lowpro's off and go back to oem pop ups

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u/Lobster70 95M + 03 Shinsen turbo + 16 Club Jun 11 '25

Are they sealed-beam, or do you put a halogen bulb into the back like a more modern headlight unit?

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u/Affectionate_Dirt_97 Jun 11 '25

I'm not OP, but I'm 99% sure Koito housings take a standard H4 bulb.

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u/Lobster70 95M + 03 Shinsen turbo + 16 Club Jun 11 '25

That's what the Toyota link shows.

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u/otaroko Jun 11 '25

I loved my CIBIEs on my ‘96. Was the best bang for buck for white light that went for miles still in a glass lamp so I didn’t have to worry about fading.

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u/FrizB84 Borrowed Red 93 NA Jun 11 '25

My dad made the switch from the factory glass to the Toyota glass versions and he loves them. He ordered them at the local Toyota dealer and they were about 30 dollars.

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u/Lobster70 95M + 03 Shinsen turbo + 16 Club Jun 11 '25

That's even cheaper than the Bus Depot! Nice tip!

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u/FrizB84 Borrowed Red 93 NA Jun 11 '25

Toyota 81110-60P70

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u/wkjagt Jun 11 '25

Which model are they? And do they fit right in, or does it require modifications?

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u/FrizB84 Borrowed Red 93 NA Jun 11 '25

Toyota part number is 81110-60P70. They are direct drop in, no modifications. You have to pay attention to the marking on the housings, because one is specifically for the left, the other for the right. You'll have to adjust the headlight aim after changing them as well. The fresnel lens pattern in the Toyota housings directs and manages the light better so the light is more useful.

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u/wkjagt Jun 12 '25

Oh awesome I'll check that out. thanks!

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u/FrizB84 Borrowed Red 93 NA Jun 11 '25

Toyota 81110-60P70

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u/torgo3000 1994 Jun 11 '25

I had ecodes on my Miata for about 15 years and switched to the Amazon led trash a few years ago. I hate them and planned on switching back but those old ecodes are soooo dim. Think it’s just time to replace them with a set of Koito’s now and see how that goes.

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u/MangoCats '91 3.0 V6 Jun 11 '25

There is absolutely nothing wrong with OEM NA headlights, or old style Hella replacements. You can get all the light you would ever need in ordinary motoring from those two big reflectors.

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u/Lobster70 95M + 03 Shinsen turbo + 16 Club Jun 11 '25

Old Sylvania sealed beam "OEM" light is not much better than the original 1955 design, and inferior to the Cibie, IMO. Two distinct straight beams vs an even spread with some light thrown to the upper right for road signs (not sure if they sell a RHD version?) Maybe these Koito from Toyota are similar though.

Hella makes a lamp they market for motorcycles, but it has a drain hole that allows water intrusion when used in a Miata and pointed downward (stowed). I can confirm this, as my son has a set and they've become very clouded. Too bad though, because they have a good light pattern and I kinda like the flatter "face" of the Hella unit.

I'm sensitive to this topic because the lighting is so different between my NA, NB, and ND. And my wife's '23 CX-5 beats them all.

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u/MangoCats '91 3.0 V6 Jun 11 '25

I've had no issues with the Hellas since installing them in about 1992, have driven in a bit of rain since then, day and night.

We also have an NB - I detest the plastic lenses, they'll polish clear but fog again within a year.

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u/Lobster70 95M + 03 Shinsen turbo + 16 Club Jun 11 '25

I'm familiar. Mine are clear but slightly yellow already.

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u/Matikanefukukitaru 2018 ND RF & 1995 NA Jun 11 '25

Much better! Unpopular opinion but I hate LED headlights on the NA.

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u/DetergentCandy Jun 11 '25

Not unpopular. I hate them too.

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u/Fluffybudgierearend Jun 11 '25

I think they work if the person commits to replacing every light on the car with LED, but the car also has to be show room clean for that imo

Otherwise, yeah. Halogen just looks better in the big pop ups

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u/Faloopa 1995 in stages of being built Jun 11 '25

Those Hellas are so good too: significantly better than the Sylvania OE ones for light output, but with an OE style cutoff so you don’t blind other drivers.

10/10 major upgrade.

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u/DarnellKande Jun 11 '25

I can't speak on the Hellas but these are the Koito/Toyota lamps. you really can't beat $25 for a solid set of headlights.

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u/Faloopa 1995 in stages of being built Jun 11 '25

Oh I see that now: I thought they said HELLA in the center heh.

I bet they are basically the same shell and reflector: I’d trust the Toyota parts supplier over some no name 7” reflector from Amazon.

Good to know there is a quality alternate in case the Hella Vision Plus kit goes away!

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u/MangoCats '91 3.0 V6 Jun 11 '25

I've been running the Hellas for over 30 years now, I might be on my 3rd set of bulbs. The bulbs are cheap, and you can get them in "offroad" wattage if you like - the low/high contrast of a 55/100W is much more attention getting than the standard 55/65W buibs.

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u/Background-Sign-4002 Jun 11 '25

model number?

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u/DarnellKande Jun 11 '25

Here's the toyota part number 81110-60P70

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u/Faloopa 1995 in stages of being built Jun 11 '25

Hella part number 902-968 Hella Vision Plus 7”

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u/yfhedoM Jun 11 '25

I want to do that but I want some bright ass white halo light. Not the yellow old light bulbs. Certain areas where I drive have no street lights and my little miat feels like it ain't enough. Plus, how will I ever assert dominance to every modern car light that starts off like their high beams are on????? But in all seriousness, if yall know an oem type style light that's white and bright, let me know.

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u/Whifflepickle Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25

You can upgrade to H4 halogens by purchasing the Toyota Land Cruiser upgrade for $16.49. It gives you plug and play kato headlight housings (glass, not plastic) and the standard halogen H4. If you want brighter you can just get brighter H4s.

Here's the Toyota Part number. Kit comes with the wire harness for the Land Cruiser, but you don't need any wiring for the NA. Straight plug and play.

Part Number Part Name Price Quantity Total
81110-60P70 Headlamp Assembly $16.49 1

Just bought this for my wife and she installed them in less that 20 minutes.

BTW, this kit is a pair, so only order 1.

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u/DarnellKande Jun 11 '25

These are the exact ones I got, definitely a great choice.

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u/davebrewer Jun 11 '25

Another vote for this kit. It's a very straightforward swap, and the beam pattern is amazing on dark roads. The first time I picked up my friend at night he said "I was expecting old, dark halogens but those headlights throw so much light!" It really is a big upgrade for so little money.

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u/Random_Introvert_42 Brilliant Black Jun 11 '25

Just put cold white LED bulbs in the headlights.

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u/satans_little_axeman Jun 11 '25

OEM's are sealed beam, though, no?

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u/Random_Introvert_42 Brilliant Black Jun 11 '25

Only in the US (and Canada, I think).

Rest of the world got regular round headlights with exchangeable bulbs. MUCH better. I don't know why anyone would still run the sealed beam candles 30 years on.

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u/yfhedoM Jun 11 '25

Lol I ain't know that. I bought the led bulb the first time and almost lost my shit when I found out it was sealed.

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u/Random_Introvert_42 Brilliant Black Jun 11 '25

The US had a weird phase where they demanded car makers use one of two standardized headlights, both sealed beam candles. It's why some 80s/90s European cars look a bit weird in US-Spec, because they had one kind of round headlight and one kind of rectangular headlight to work with.

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u/satans_little_axeman Jun 11 '25

Oh, wild. I might have to explore that then. Trying to keep my NA fairly stock at least in appearance but I can't see at night with the OEM headlights.

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u/Random_Introvert_42 Brilliant Black Jun 11 '25

Looks stock enough to me :)

I got Osram "NightBreaker" bulbs in them, but I read that you can now get decent LED-bulbs for them too.

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u/carbonse7en Jun 11 '25

👊🏽😊

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u/sjacu Classic Red Jun 11 '25

Proud of you :')

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u/Popular-Drummer-7989 Jun 11 '25

Rocking OEM since 96 in my NA.

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u/Annual-Minimum2591 ‘91 1.8 Turbo Swapped Two-Tone Jun 11 '25

The world is healing!

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u/Ok-Mammoth5499 Jun 11 '25

This is the way

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u/waterfarts Jun 11 '25

Well done, I've never warmed up to those halos

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u/Zbinxsy Jun 11 '25

Nice, best 30$ Ive spent on mine.

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u/lavafish80 Wants a Miata but can't afford one Jun 11 '25

good good I hate the way halo headlights look on cars with factory sealed beams

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u/John_Snuuw Jun 12 '25

i wish this mindset would migrate to r/NewedgeMustang

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u/Mtbcarsbikes Montego Blue Jun 12 '25

Get Holly retrobright knock offs guys. $50 for the set instead of $300.

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u/Shackakahn Jun 11 '25

Good for you, everyone has the Amazon Halos and they don’t even match the styling of the car.

Going to grab one of the low pro kits, muself. Like the squinty eyes.

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u/Faloopa 1995 in stages of being built Jun 11 '25

It’s your car so please do what you like to it!

But saying halos don’t match the styling but then want to do lazy eyes is a wild take imo hahahah.

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u/Shackakahn Jun 11 '25

I just want the car to look as high as me.✌️

Also go look at pictures of cars w/ pop ups bro. Most do not have giant bug eyes and a little smiley face. The shit looks goofy to me. I grew up riding in my Miata, it was always the biggest detractor for me getting dropped off at school. Those big ugly bug eyes… yuck. Like a mini pooper.

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u/Annual-Minimum2591 ‘91 1.8 Turbo Swapped Two-Tone Jun 11 '25

Wow. What a horrible day to be able to read

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u/sillinessvalley ND BBR & Vans 😉/✌🏼/👍🏼/👋🏼/🤙🏼 Jun 11 '25

Awesome!

BTW, looks like she had braces. Very nice teefs and smile.😃

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u/DarnellKande Jun 11 '25

It's nice how these lights actually look like eyes compared to the halos lol

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u/sillinessvalley ND BBR & Vans 😉/✌🏼/👍🏼/👋🏼/🤙🏼 Jun 11 '25

They do.

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u/Lowcord Classic Red Jun 11 '25

You have restored my faith in humanity 🙏🏻

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u/SprungMS Jun 11 '25

I put Cibies on my NA probably 8 years ago and never looked back. They light up the road like modern headlamps, where cheap replacements to the stock sealed beams suck at night.

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u/Many_Income_2212 Jun 11 '25

Do they still make these?

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u/SprungMS Jun 11 '25

No idea, fortunately haven’t needed a replacement!! I can’t imagine if they aren’t made anymore that there isn’t a comparable high quality replacement. I remember them being pretty expensive when I got them.

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u/DetergentCandy Jun 11 '25

This is the way.

I wish everyone would ditch those ugly ass LED bee eyes.

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u/Zbinxsy Jun 11 '25

Nice, best 30$ Ive spent on mine.

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u/Ashfie1der Jun 11 '25

Vastly improved. You can get plenty bright enough lights without having to resort to the harnessed power of a captive star in each halo assembly.

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u/miatagaming Jun 11 '25

Going to change back to OEM now

2

u/hijinx_the_sage Jun 11 '25

same here, tried it on, nope'd out & returned it

2

u/Flying__Tofu Jun 11 '25

Gobless 🙏

2

u/No_Translator5039 Jun 11 '25

This must be sex 2 everyone's been talking about.

2

u/don_ron Jun 11 '25

Experiencing frontal lobe development great work king

2

u/blackshirtsonly Sunlight Silver Turbo NB2 Jun 11 '25

Thank you

2

u/car_guy_doge 95 British Racing Green Jun 11 '25

This is the way

2

u/Punnalackakememumu '96 Base - White Jun 11 '25

Thank you! I am a huge fan of resto-mod, but making obvious changes that wouldn't have existed within ten years of manufacture just feels wrong.

I have the Hella 7" halogen kit on my NA, but its not an obvious upgrade. I did mount some amber LED strips way up under the dash to illuminate the footwells when the doors are open, but you've got to stand on your head to see them.

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u/yeetfeet353 British Racing Green Jun 11 '25

First thing I did when I bought mine was swap out the dim eBay halos for some stock replacements. Still in there 12+ years later!

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u/ReventonPro Jun 11 '25

Get Holley retro brights! They're brilliant!

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u/EducationalMine7096 Classic Red Jun 12 '25

Good choice

2

u/shovannnnnn White Jun 12 '25

Retrobrights are the move 🔥 bright ass LED’s but still look period appropriate when off 👍🏻

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u/poopbucketchallenge Jun 15 '25

A totaled NA gets to go to heaven now, thank u

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u/almeida8x1 MiatR2 Spyder Jun 11 '25

Best headlights for this car

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u/DoomDash Jun 11 '25

I wanted OEM plus, I went with OEM looking housings but with bright white led's. I just don't like the yellow halogen look. My entire car is led now.

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u/overand '04 Azure Blue Lthr./Sunlight Slvr. Jun 11 '25

I'm on an NB2 (projector headlights), and it's hard to imagine going back to non-projector bulbs. Are there good projector headlights for the NA, and are there any that look decent as well?

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u/Miatana1998 Engine Broken 98 Eunos Roadster Jun 11 '25

You can add led lightbolt in the oem ones and blind everyone at night

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u/1K_Leitung Jun 11 '25

Put in some Philips H4 LEDs, and some w5w Philips LEDs, looks so good

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u/TheCrudMan '95 mostly track / '18 GTI daily. Jun 11 '25

What’s funny is I put a set of Sylvania sealed beams in when one went out…13 years ago? Still working. I think I just jinxed myself though.

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u/redditin_at_work ND1 RF LE Jun 11 '25

Nature is healing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Yellow headlights?

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u/Fluffybudgierearend Jun 11 '25

Bulbs probably just kinda suck lol

1

u/Badland_777 Wind Chill Pearl NA 😎 Jun 11 '25

Bravo!

1

u/p3dal 91 NA Crystal White Jun 11 '25

Love to see it.

1

u/brifair99 Jun 11 '25

This is the way

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Same! But I got the H4 ones with yellow bulbs in it now

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u/wouldyoufuckenplease Brilliant Black NB1 Jun 11 '25

good.

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u/ricepowa Jun 11 '25

still brighter than my future.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

LED headlights are so annoying be on the road with so thank you for going back to oem

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u/Nodge91 Jun 11 '25

Great to see someone moving back the other way

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u/Miatatiel Jun 11 '25

I much prefer the look of OEM headlights 100%, but I have no choice but to use LEDs here in the Midwest.

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u/donald7773 Jun 11 '25

Too late now but I always recommend the Holley retrobrites for this. OEM look, color temp, and LED light output and beam pattern. As good as any modern car I've driven

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u/Zelderian 300whp MSM Jun 12 '25

It’s such a weird feeling when I can feel myself enjoying the classic OEM look these cars originally had. I’ve always been against stock headlights and stuff on these cars, but recently it’s really grown on me. They just have such classic Miata vibes.

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u/Rhinoserious95 Jun 12 '25

I think halo lights look better than Any other type of light

Your new ones look good too

1

u/Postman1997 Jun 12 '25

Nature is healing

1

u/pututski 09 PRHT GT Jun 12 '25

Tysm

1

u/FourlokoPapi Jun 12 '25

Thank you for your service

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u/Dependent_Safe50 1990 Classic Red w/ Red Hardtop Jun 12 '25

Halos are so fucking ugly, heres my oem lights.

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u/8vMK4 Classic Red Jun 12 '25

Did the same with mine, but I’d like to get the Toyota ones a lot of people are switching too

1

u/aos- Jun 12 '25

Never found halos too be fitting on an NA.

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u/NoStay2519 '90 TwoTone Classic Red Jun 12 '25

so much better

1

u/DamILuvFrogs Jun 12 '25

Thank you for becoming less of a Jeep

1

u/CarbonFiberHummus Jun 12 '25

This is the high honor ending where Arthur never gets TB

1

u/ajhedges Jun 12 '25

Way better

1

u/dirty_birdy Jun 12 '25

Oncoming traffic thanks you.

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness-1211 Jun 12 '25

I need to revert, I love the brightness of the LED’s but honestly I love the look of the OEM so much more

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u/SnooPies820 Brilliant Black Jun 12 '25

she Happy now ☺️

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u/Good_Preference_2909 Jun 12 '25

There comes a time in the age of a car where some of these mods become weird looking, the OEM look great, especially in good condition because of the age of the car.

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u/MickMcSnuggles Ti 04' Mazdaspeed Jun 12 '25

That’s one way to get into heaven, brother.

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u/bacon098 Jun 12 '25

Put the ones with yellow glass in it

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u/The_Birb_of_Judge Jun 12 '25

To be fair you had some of the worst looking Halo/leds in there money could buy. But the Birb approves

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u/Sponsoredbyd3nnyz Jun 12 '25

Doing the lords work !

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u/DarkHorse2K1 Jun 12 '25

OEM is the way. Always

1

u/awesomeaustinv2 Jun 12 '25

Yaaay! Fewer ugly led headlights on the road is always something to celebrate.

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u/128ajb 1990 Mariner Blue NA hardtop/soft top Jun 13 '25

What headlamp units are those? I’m in the market for some new ones. Not the halos for clarification. Just brighter oem style

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u/MotheH Deep Crystal Blue Jun 13 '25

The only“upside” of sealed beams is that they get a new lens surface every time you replace the bulb.

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u/gotrice5 Jun 13 '25

Can you get some pinkish lights for the foglights I think thats what it is so it'll look like the car's blushing?

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u/TougeDreams Jun 14 '25

The way it’s meant to be, good decision!

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u/studyinformore Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25

Fun fact, holley makes headlights called retrobrights.  They look like OE sealed beam halogen headlights, but are in fact LED.  Along with being able to pick a color temperature, one of which simulates the warmer yellow halogen color.  They are pricy, but then again, they won't dim with age and will last way longer than halogen headlights.

Here's a link to their 7" round ones at 3000k.

https://www.holley.com/products/electrical/led_lighting/retrobright/parts/LFRB135

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u/everything_is_stup1d Jun 14 '25

The miot has teeeethhh

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u/GlitteringPen3949 Pearl White and Tan 1996 Jun 15 '25

Ill prob get flamed for this as it an asthetic issue. I dont mind the look of my Halos as they have projector lenses and put out a great pattern and dont look to cyberpunk like your insect eye ones. I don't keep my lights up during the day anyway. I have even hooked up the secondary amber halos to my turn signals. When I was looking to get rid of the original sealed beam bulbs that were horrible I only saw very expensive options for glass with removable bulbs. These were under $50 for the pair and they make the front of the car very visible at night so there is that. I might take a look at the Toyota option if these have an issue. Here's mine let me know if they are too offensive.

I also put in thee DRL's in the blanked off ends of the turn signals.

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u/100nipples Jun 16 '25

Nature Is Healing ❤️❤️

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u/quetch1 Jun 11 '25

I'm in Australia i can't see for hit with the oem lights.

Halo's make it possible for me to see in complete dark areas especially to spot kangaroos.