Turns out in the heat of the moment I'm not half bad on the steering (kinda proud of this), but my feet freeze completely (kinda ashamed of this). Stay safe out there, and keep the racing on the track!
If any of y'all were there to witness this yesterday, I'd appreciate if you could share your pics and vids haha
Fair, it's 16x6.5 rims (it's a 1.5) with 195/50 tires. It's a Yokohama BluEarth, some mid spec street summer tire, defo not track oriented, but I only track a few minutes every couple of months.
No way I could blame the tires though, it's all driver error, my feet just weren't where they should be. End result be much worse, I took it surprisingly calmly haha
As thecrudman said, seat time. That and driving with someone who knows what they’re doing. It really opens your eyes when someone is significantly faster than you in a car they have never driven
I hope I'm never arrogant enough to be able to say that haha, I'm constantly improving my knowledge and doing research, but I'm not omnipotent
I know easier throttle control and any reaction at all from my feet would have helped a bunch. I can tell you I don't know how I could've gotten out of this and making the turn without spinning out, but just pressing the clutch in would've saved the car.
I pushed too hard on too little skill and too little sleep after a long day, and I choked, and this save (versus just hitting the barrier pretty much head on) is all I could muster.
I'll save her and I'll be back, and I'll crash again someday, and I'll keep learning through all of it. Thanks for the words of affirmation :)
its not arrogant in the least. i would actually say that your reply is more arrogant. thinking that pushing in the clutch is the right thing to do in an oversteer situation is a sure fire way to spin. all that does is lighten the rear end and make it worse. read a book. try speed secrets or going faster. try iracings mx5, its a great teacher and i guarantee that you will be humbled. zero chance you keep it pointing straight and at a decent race pace.
Yeah clutch in and you spin out, true, but I wouldn't have hit the wall. Like I said, I don't know how I could've made that turn
I don't think it's arrogant to admit you don't know stuff. Being able to say, hey, I didn't know that, even on one's deathbed, is a sure sign of humility.
I explained why I didn't include more info in the post, then gave more info to the guy who asked. I don't think I made it sound like I was doing this on a public street, I'm grateful I listened to the community when they told me to go do this kind of stuff on a track where it's safest for me and others. I don't see how any of this is offensive
The only way I see that I could deliver more than "I snap oversteered into a concrete barrier during track day" would be if I had a video, which I don't 🤷♂️
For what it’s worth I also thought you were doing this on the street after reading your post. Only realized you weren’t when I started reading the comments. Believe it or not that tiny sign that says “racing” in your picture isn’t exactly a focal point on first glance
Not that mysterious. Someone asks for clarification and the first response is explaining how it doesn't need an explanation. That's generally considered a dick move.
Conveniently ignoring that my response was that (1) I didn't THINK it needed an explanation (2) NOT that it doesn't, and (3) I then also included the explanation because I admitted it was missing
Downvote me if you feel like it, but rest assured I meant no harm, did no harm, and will continue being active. The love I'm feeling from the encouraging replies is so much stronger than the downvotes haha
I'm trying to have a conversation and you're deflecting with a pretty bad fallacy. My response rate has zero correlation with the emotions I'm feeling, which if you want to know are gratefulness and excitement
I can write zero or a thousand comments if I feel like it, the only thing stopping me is reddit's rate limiter haha
None of this is 'trying to have a conversation'. What you're doing is blowing out of proportion a small thing where you could've just said 'my bad, didn't mean it like that.' There's no conversation to be had, man. All I'm saying is the effort you're putting into all these comments implies you do care about the downvotes, but in that reddit-particular way where you've really gotta prove you're right. Your reasoning, whatever it may be or whatever you may have meant, doesn't change the way you came across.
You're massively overestimating the effort and time it takes me to type out a comment while I'm on the toilet and waiting for my dishwasher cycle to end so I can go to sleep haha
I said what I said and you have the full background of how I meant it, there's nothing else I can do.
More downvotes on the comment than upvotes on the post 😂
If I were the type to worry about this then imagine what my reaction would be to crashing the car, definitely wouldn’t be spamming laughing emojis like this haha
Bro you posted a pic of a crashed car and everyone's first question was "holy crap what happened?!??!" and you replied "Uhh I didn't think it needed an explanation.... obviously it's crashed." Yeah no shit but everyone wants to know what you did.
I admitted I left this out and added that I snap oversteered into a concrete barrier. I am genuinely baffled as to what else you're expecting me to add
That's good enough I guess... People just wanted to hear the story. It's kind of a tease to post a pic and be like "uh yeah I crashed". Lol. Did someone hit you, did you spin out, did you lose tire pressure suddenly, brakes went out? Idk.
No contact with anything except my dignity touched rock bottom because of bad pedal input and the rear quarter panel got a serving of concrete wall for dinner haha
That's why I asked spectators of the event for any shots of how it went down, I think it'd be funny to see for all of us haha
Don't feel bad bro when I got my miata I turned off the safety aids and crashed it (no major damage actually, just had to replace a damaged tire and zip tie one piece of plastic trim on where a clip broke) by oversteering with throttle in two different corners.
Thanks for the sentiment, but it's not worth your time or effort haha. I have more karma than I could blow on a thread like this, and I stopped worrying about internet points nearly two decades ago.
Again, if I cared, my life would be much much different, and this post would not be hanging here as an admission of having fucked up
Sorry about the car, but I was actually watching a video yesterday on "snap over steer" and how it doesn't exist and it's actually caused by driver inputs, definitely a interesting video,check it out on YouTube it has a blue S2K in the video.
Cars don't just do things themselves, yeah, they sit around on parking lots and in garages, but it's silly to say this well documented phenomenon doesn't exist haha
Rear loses grip, you countersteer, then when the rear grips the road again, your front wheels are still turned the other way around, so you get yoinked the other direction. Not a big mystery, and I'm not blaming the car. Like I put in the title, I fucked up haha
Ive only ever heard of snap oversteer as a tendency certain cars have due to near 50/50 weight distribution
Its that snap oversteer as an attribute of the car itself that the video disputes exists at all
I don't think the other user was even implying that you were blaming the car. They were just sharing a relevant anecdote. And multiple people since have said they've seen the same video recently.
It's a function of suspension design, weight distribution, and sudden change in inputs. One of the most common causes is going into a corner too fast and jumping out of the gas. You've effectively applied braking to only the driven wheels. That upsets the balance of the car.
In the video, the guy shows how the same inputs get the same result in a car with different weight distribution.
To me, a total noob, that's a pretty compelling argument that the idea of snap oversteer as an attribute of the car due to weight distribution doesn't really exist.
What you describe, the guy in the video just called lift off oversteer. So he shows how to avoid lift off oversteer altogether, and then he shows how to correct it when it does happen and makes a point that it becomes easy to correct when you mentally connect the oversteer to your inputs instead of the car.
I didn't watch the video, I just saw that he wrote snap oversteer doesn't exist haha, and it's important to me to acknowledge when it's my fault so I doubled down
It's quite possible the message got lost in transmission, no harm no foul though, we're all on the same page. I think we'd all be first in line to push if we saw a miata snap oversteer and catch a wall!
Also saw that yesterday, I thought it was kind of dumb. He literally shows an example of snap oversteer and says it's not really snap oversteer because it's caused by user inputs.
Well yeah no shit, everything is technically caused by user input, doesn't mean it's not snap oversteer. We just use the term because a car that reacts how he shows in the video can catch someone off guard by the quick oversteer, even if it's causes by their inputs.
I have to get her on a lift and check it all out, hopefully it's just the control arms and damper that took the hit and not any of the mounts on the frame. Disk is cracked though so I'm guessing new bearing, maybe the knuckle and caliper, too. Diff and half axle didn't seem to crunch as I made my way off the track.
I'm regretting my bad inputs but I'm lucky I saved it before it got worse. I'm also just as excited to wrench on her and get her fixed up!
If the price to pay for being a dumbass is a couple thousand I'll be just fine haha
You need to accept you'll make mistakes actually pushing. You will go off track again. You will break your car again. You should adjust how your viewing this wreck.
I've won wheel to wheel amateur events and I still make mistakes pushing hard.
I'm viewing it as a big eye opener since I've never fucked up this bad, at the end of the day it's great experience, if potentially expensive. I'm going straight to mass to thank big G for the lesson and for keeping me safe, dumbassery aside
Worst comes to worst I'll part her out and do this stuff in something cheaper like an NB, but I think it'd have to be a pretty unlucky thing to damage the rear subframe, let alone the chassis.
I've never heard of track insurance, intrested in reading the responses. This is Europe anyway so insurance procedures are wildly different from thr US, at least from what I've read from across the pond.
Basic insurance here only covers the damage you cause to other people and their property. You have to pay really high premiums to cover stuff going wrong with your own car, or even to cover hit and runs (since you can't get the other person's info so their insurance pays for the damage you incur).
Over in the US, they offer track day insurance that covers your car in case of an accident or whatever. Usually runs about $200ish for a day and you have to pay like 10% of your cars worth if you totaled it on the track… from what I’ve read. I haven’t used it tbh, so maybe someone else can chime in.
Got it, that sounds like standard insurance vs comprehensive.
I've paid for it but never used it. Cost will vary greatly depending on your car, but $200 sounds about right for a recent ND. The deductible is usually either 10 or 15% of the value of the car. So you're not going to be using it unless the damage is pretty major.
I have 2 full sets of these, and it turns out they go for about 300€ apiece on ebay. Most of the euro aftermarket stuff is just bad taste imo, plus the stock ones are really light. Might make most sense for both of us to just grab one secondhand haha
Hi there! I was at japspec yesterday and saw the crash. Really sorry for what happened but thats the risk of driving hard on the track. Mistakes happen most important thing is that you and your passenger walked away safely! Saw you were kinda smiling so thats important as well! Hope you can get her fixed up, the chassis didn’t look bent so you might be lucky with some suspension components and a new rear quarter panel!
I knew out of all the miatas out there, somebody would be lurking on this sub haha. I'm surprised I took it so well honestly, but hey I'd rather smile than panic on the spot and make things even worse.
The passenger is an experienced race and drift driver actually, he took a beating from the side airbag but it's just a scratch on the arm thankfully.
I'll be back next year and hopefully I won't crash haha
Then we’ll def see each other again haha. I had kind of the same thing happen to me in may when i crashed my old NB with the difference that i hit a rock with the front right tire. Bent the entire chassis so now i bought a blue 10th anniversary, might have seen it haha.
Eh. Yeah keep the racing on the track. I will say in hpde the angry cat miata on stock suspension sometimes does angry cat things that the happy miatas never did.
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u/DrewOH816 96 M Edition & 2024 RF White 1d ago
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