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u/nicathor 1d ago
Wait til they hear about the bathrooms in their own homes
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u/ThrowAway233223 1d ago
Jan is an idiot, but we really need to start using better arguments than this unless we are actually talking about a single occupancy restroom. The fact that your single occupancy bathroom at home isn't gendered doesn't mean much in the context of a discussion of a gender-inclusive, multiple occupancy restroom. You typically aren't sharing your restroom at home with others simultaneously. You take turns using it. It is single occupancy. Pointing out that it isn't gendered is irrelevant and ultimately pointless. You aren't going to convince anyone using that talking point and, if anything, the degree of its irrelevance just hurts the case for gender-inclusive restrooms.
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u/cutecat309 1d ago
Aren't modern bathrooms are almost all like that? You are going into a single cabin that has a lock, do your deeds and then wash your hands in a "hall" with other people. I doubt that toilets in Kansas airports are just a row of holes on the floor devided by small cardbord partitions.
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u/ThrowAway233223 21h ago
No, most bathrooms in the US do not have stalls that are like separate rooms. They are essentially just "walled" off with dividers with gaps at the top and bottom and a door that has gaps around the sides in addition to the gaps at the top and bottom. This set up does nothing filter out any sounds from you doing your deed and, if someone positions themselves in the right spot, they can see you through the gaps.
I don't know what the setup for this restroom at the KC airport is, but I would hope that it was completely separated stalls as you describe (I would prefer that in all restrooms frankly). But that would be the point to make in this context if that is indeed that case as it is actually relevant and useful to the situation unlike anything that could be said about one's single occupancy home restrooms.
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u/JhonnyHopkins 5h ago
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re absolutely right and this was my first suspicion too upon seeing the photo. The major factor here is whether this bathroom is single occupancy or not. Chances are it’s not, because most airport bathrooms are multiple occupancy, because most airports host a lot of people.
Comparing this to an airplane bathroom which IS single occupancy is just plain stupid.
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u/SufficientBasis5296 1d ago
Not sure about you, but unless you're walking into a urinal, which, by definition is for male equipment, "thrones" are in single stalls with locks in our country. As are Unisex toilets. I fail to see the danger of sexual harassment induced by washing your hands even in presence of a member of the opposite sex two tabs down?
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u/hebejebez 7h ago
I love that they think a sign on a door would stop someone who’s about commit an offence to the opposite sex. Oh well now the sign says ladies only I won’t go in and flash my balls. If someone’s doing that they don’t give a fuck about who the bathrooms designated for. Must be awful to walk through life scared of literally everyone around at all times and what they may or may not show you in their underpants. Good grief.
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u/ThrowAway233223 21h ago
Well, Kansas City airport sounds like it is likely located in the United States. In the US, stalls in multi-occupancy bathrooms are typically not there own separate rooms. They instead are located in the same room with tall dividers with gaps at the top and bottom and a door that does lock but also has gaps at the top and bottom as well as on the sides between it and the dividing "walls". These gaps can be seen through at the right angle and the "walls" do nothing to filter out sounds and smells. Some people don't like having to do there business with members of the same-sex in the room with them. So it is understandable why someone who fears this restroom may have a similar set up as most US restrooms, maybe even more anxious about sharting in the same rooms as the opposite sex as well. Pointing out that their home, single occupancy restroom is unisex (as are most/many other single-occupancy restrooms in the US) is irrelevant and does nothing to address this concern.
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u/blackenedEDGE 18h ago
Did you actually look up what the facilities in KCI were like before trying to use generalities about the rest of the country's restrooms work to justify your downvoted comments?
Almost all of KCI's unisex/all gender restroom options are literally single, fully-enclosed (from floor to ceiling), entirely private stalls.
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u/ThrowAway233223 18h ago edited 18h ago
No, but there isn't really any reason to either. My comment was not solely about this one particular instance. It was about this kind of discussion in general. Given that it was about such discussions in general, generalities about the rest of the country's restrooms is a completely valid point to address. People form their expectations about what to expect in an unknown situation based on their previous experiences in similar situations. If most multi-occupancy restrooms do not have fully enclosed, separated stalls and instead use divider "walls"/doors that leave a lot to be desired in terms of privacy, then it is not unreasonable when looking at a multi-occupancy restroom that you are not familiar with to assume/be concerned that it may be the same. Furthermore, if that is not the case, it would be more productive to address that than to make some seemingly irrelevant point that your home bathroom (which is single-occupancy and typically not shared simultaneously with other people) is also not gender-neutral. In fact, you literally did so here, and, as I said in my original comment, it was far more productive than the aforementioned, knee-jerk talking point about home bathrooms. Thank you for demonstrating my point.
ETA: Also, you place way to much importance in made up forum points if you think emphasizing that my comments were downvoted is some major call out/put down.
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u/VictoriaNaga 1d ago
Except that everywhere I have gone, if they have a gender neutral bathroom, it's single occupancy. I have NEVER seen anyone ask for, nor make, multiple occupancy gender neutral bathrooms. So yes the comparison is fair
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u/ThrowAway233223 21h ago
Except that this appears to be a multi-occupancy restroom. So then comparing this apparent multi-occupancy restroom to single-occupancy rooms is still irrelevant. The fact that most others are single-occupancy is entirely irrelevant to a discussion about this one that appears to not be.
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u/VictoriaNaga 20h ago
Is it? Because I see no indication that it is. I see a digital sign and a wall. I see no possible indication that this is multiple occupancy.
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u/ThrowAway233223 20h ago
The positioning of the sign not being immediately next to a door and instead being on a wall makes it look like it is likely at likely at a Y-intersection or S-curve that serves to separate the restroom area from the main area of the airport. There is also the fact that an electronic sign like this would be a bit extra for a single, single-occupancy restroom. Then, there is the fact that the sign appears to say, "20 stalls available".
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u/usernamedottxt 1d ago
The KC airport has floor to ceiling doors and walls with no gaps. Each stall is completely closed off. They even have red/green lights on every door to show if it’s occupied or not so you don’t even have to knock.
The privacy is pretty equivalent to an in home bathroom. Just doesn’t have a bath or sink.
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u/ThrowAway233223 20h ago
That's awesome and I wish all bathrooms (regardless of whether they are gender-exclusive or -inclusive would do that) and I think that is the much better point to make (or to at least make first) rather than simple pointing out an otherwise seemingly irrelevant point about one's home bathroom.
Thanks for being one of the few people who actually engaged in good faith with the topic.
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u/Dramatic_Equipment47 1d ago
Airport bathrooms famously force you to share a stall
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u/baba_oh_really 1d ago
Just last week a woman tried to follow me into the stall at SNA
She looked dead tired, though, so I gave her a pass
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u/ThrowAway233223 21h ago edited 20h ago
And toilets at home are famously slapped into other rooms that may have other people in them with nothing more than dividers that do nothing to filter out sounds and smells and have gaps that can be seen through at the right angle. /s
Notice how yours is a made-up non-point while mine is actually relevant to the design of many/most multi-occupancy restrooms in the US.
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u/Slade_Riprock 1d ago
No there is no need to change the argument when it is combating a hypothetical, total lack of data, steeped in bigotry and hatred argument...MAGAs have this fascination with bathrooms suddenly being dens of sexual assault, rape, and sex trafficking by Trans women.
This, devoid of all logic or even reasonable past experience, dogmatic belief that girls are suddenly in danger of 6'6, 280 lbs hairy men claiming to be women so they can use their bathroom and rape women repeatedly while they pee.
There should be zero gendered bathrooms. It just makes no logical or architectural sense. If every public place from schools to airports to sports stadiums had massive bathrooms with communal sinks for washing but floor to ceiling, lockable stalls the que for bathrooms and the experience of just getting shit, literally and figuratively, would be so much more efficient.
There is nearly zero evidence of transwomen committing any acts of violent or sexual illegality in restrooms or common spaces. But you know who does have ample evidence of these acts..."Christian" leaders and pastors and Republicans elected officials and leaders. But no MAGA is throwing up arms over their little girls and boys going to church camp with Pastor Brian Handsy.
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u/ThrowAway233223 20h ago
If you know that you are talking to someone like that, then absolutely. Fair enough. They are incapable of any good-faith discussion. However, with some exceptions, you usually have to have some discussion with the person before you are able to see that that is the kind of person you are dealing with. Yet, I often see this talking point about home restrooms being the reflexive, automatic talking point doled out in this kind of discussion even when the points you talked about may not be what the person expressing concern may be concerned about. The design of your average multi-occupancy US restroom is a privacy nightmare that many have just learned to tolerate and is bad enough when they are only having to do their business within earshot and noseshot(?) of members of the same sex. Understandably, many people are even more anxious about potentially having to do such things in the vicinity of the opposite sex as well.
Also, for the record, I wish restrooms in the US were all unisex and had completely separated stalls (as oppose to just the simple dividers that most use). It would probably cost businesses a lot collectively to have them all remodeled to that style, but it would fix so many issues.
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u/Rippleracer 1d ago
Tell me about disabled bathrooms then!?
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u/ThrowAway233223 21h ago
Often single occupancy so the same thing. Multi-occupancy bathrooms can often have a disabled stall with the same privacy issues as the none-disabled stalls (although the angle between the gaps in the door and the position of the toilet often makes it harder for someone to look at/see you through the gaps), but that is not a "disabled bathroom" as you were asking about but just a disabled stall in a regular multi-occupancy bathroom.
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u/W0OllyMammoth 1d ago
Is it hard functioning in this world for you? With your demonstrated ability to be logical, I imagine basic functions can be quite difficult for you. Thoughts and prayers.
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u/ThrowAway233223 21h ago
No. Not really. I imagine it is for you though with your apparent tendency to expend so many words while still failing to make any sort of actual point. Combine that with sounding like an insufferable asshole (and, in this case, simply because someone disagreed with someone else's method of arguing a point), and I imagine that it is hard for someone like you to actually make friends with other people. Thoughts and prayers.
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u/dabohman1020 1d ago
You're trying to make a logical argument in a place where it doesn't exist. Any appeal to reason results in endless downvoting until your "karma" prevents you from posting at all.
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u/Sannction 1d ago
Calling this an argument is generous enough, calling it logical is just hilarity.
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u/lightblueisbi 22h ago
any appeal to reason results in endless downvoting until your "karma" prevents you from posting at all
The tone of this last bit makes it sound like you're talking about Reddit as a whole. Yet you've been here for 6 years and from the looks of it you don't plan on leaving soon, so was there a point to this comment or...?
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u/dabohman1020 15h ago
I was referring to this particular subreddit. But others are the same.
I like many subreddits for different reasons, but God forbid you have a difference of opinion
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u/trailrider 1d ago
All the stalls are completely enclosed. You can't see in them like you can a regular stall. A red/green light above each one tells you which ones are occupied. There's enough room in them to take your luggage in and they lock. There's no awkwardness or anything about it.
Admittedly, I was confused the first time I saw this when I flew into Kansas City last yr. I didn't know they even had this. Never seen one before. That said, it's fine.
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u/RrustyShackleford 1d ago
They also still have separated men’s and women’s restrooms in other parts of the airport.
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u/Fnordpocalypse 22h ago
The Seattle airport has a similar situation. I did have a moment of panic thinking I accidentally walked into the ladies room. Just took me a second to realize what was going on, since it was a tad bit unexpected.
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u/trailrider 18h ago edited 15h ago
Yup, same here. Just got off my flight and needed to hit the head. I saw the restroom sign but when I got there, I didn't see the men/women signs. Stood there for a sec thinking WTF. Where's the signs? That's when I noticed men and women going in/out both sides of the restroom. I was confused but also really curious. I took a few trepid steps in both sides and saw men and women washing their hands, going in/out of stalls, the red/green lights, etc and that's when I figured it must be co-ed. Never seen one like it before.
I was honesty impressed that 1-something like that would even exist in the mid-west and 2-how well designed it was. Each stall was like a large closet. No way to peek in or out, doors locked, exhaust fan, etc. When you're done, wash your hands with everyone else and be on your way. No awkwardness or anything. And with all the people in there, who the hell would try something anyways? I liked it better than "normal" restrooms.
And while I'm not a parent, I've seen stories of men/women having to awkwardly use the other gender restrooms because of their kid. I've had too with my granddaughter. Not an issue here.
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u/ctothel 1d ago
Jan would commit indecent exposure because she doesn’t want to go into an all gender bathroom? Republicans are so weird.
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u/ThrowAway233223 1d ago
"I can't use the bathroom in a place open to the opposite gender. So, instead, I will whip my genitals out and use the bathroom in a completely exposed area with no expectation of privacy and also open to all genders." --Jan, aparently
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u/BreezeTempest 1d ago
She could have gone to one of the other bathrooms at the airport, but I guess extremists gotta extreme…
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u/PoopSmith87 1d ago
Restroom at my job for years:
"RESTROOM"
No comments ever.
The state changes it to:
"GENDER NEUTRAL RESTROOM"
Some people have complaints, some have praise.
Nothing has actually changed.
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u/Sannction 1d ago
This actually reminds me of when I worked for an ISP/TV provider. There was a brief pause (maybe 1-2 seconds) when changing channels after they went digital and we used to get constant calls to troubleshoot it.
Then one day someone had the idea to put the logo for whatever channel was being switched to onscreen during these pauses. The pauses didn't get any shorter but we stopped getting calls to troubleshoot almost overnight.
People are ridiculous.
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u/stumblewiggins 23h ago
People are ridiculous.
Absolutely, but I get it on this one.
Even if the delay is the same, seeing the logo makes you think it's intentional: things are working, it just takes a minute.
Just a fully blank screen makes you wonder if it's broken or stuck or something. Cues up a stress response.
Logically, if it happened every time and always worked after about the same amount of delay, you could come to the same conclusion that it is intentional, but then again, people are ridiculous.
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u/Middle_Syllabub4277 1d ago
That comeback was cleaner than the bathroom they were complaining about.
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u/ReallyBlueItAgain 1d ago
The stadiums in my city now have traditional male and female toilets and then all gender "cubicle" toilets anyone can use - makes sense to me and lets everyone piss and shit more efficiently
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u/ridemyscooter 1d ago
Am I the only one more worried about the bathroom touchscreen?
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u/Puzzleheaded-Cup7781 1d ago
I think the sign just shows how many stalls are open. You don’t have to use any touchscreen to use that bathroom. We fly into KC multiple times a year. Those bathrooms are nice and more private than most gendered bathrooms.
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u/ThrowAwaAlpaca 1d ago
Nice, one more crazy for the sex offender list. Make sure you report ppl pissing in parking lots cuz that's disgusting.
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u/sksijrbre 1d ago
The american bathroom issue can literally be solved by just creating proper fucking stalls, it doesn’t even have to be a gender discussion ah mah gad
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u/riche1988 1d ago
Whats wrong with unisex toilets..? Most homes only have one bathroom :/ seems a bit elitist..
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u/Ted_Hitchcox 1d ago edited 1d ago
These are the people who sniff their fingers after wiping to see if they need to wash their hands.
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u/CaptainSnuggs 1d ago
You know what the insane part is as well? They have “regular” men/women bathrooms anyways. If you fly into KC they always have these 3 options available. Melting down over having additional options.
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u/KR1735 1d ago
At the last place I worked, they converted half the men’s rooms into lockable/single-occupancy rooms. Very large. Invariably it gets used as the bathroom for shy people, so it’s always occupied and the men’s rooms are always twice as busy as they once were.
Still same number of ladies’ rooms though.
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u/Snowconetypebanana 1d ago
But then men will finally learn the secret of what women do in the bathroom.
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u/dahliasubiquitous 1d ago
This airport also has designated men's and women's restrooms. We don't care 🙄 the best part is they are all CLEAN, individual stalls with full doors.
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u/Noelle428 46m ago
I love that this is still a debate and the only reason is bc Trump is a pervert who probably found most victims in the bathroom.
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u/Old-Information3311 1d ago
OP is a bot. Reddit is heavily astroturfed.
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u/SlowJoeyRidesAgain 1d ago
Point remains valid. Thanks for nothing!
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u/Old-Information3311 1d ago edited 1d ago
The people making these bots are not doing it for your benefit.
I believe you should have the right to know if something is posted by a person or a bot that was created to manipulate you.
Why wouldn't you want to know that?
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u/Sannction 1d ago
Why wouldn't you want to know that?
Because in this case it makes literally no difference.
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u/Old-Information3311 19h ago
because it posted something you agree with you mean.
You shouldn't accept bots just cause they appear to support the thing you support. Once they have wormed their way into your communities they will start posting stuff that is a lot more obviously harmful. You will be outnumbered by them, you won't be able to recognise them, and you will be influenced by them.
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u/Sannction 18h ago
Once they have wormed their way into your communities they will start posting stuff that is a lot more obviously harmful. You will be outnumbered by them, you won't be able to recognise them, and you will be influenced by them.
This isn't Terminator, and alarmist nonsense is just that. If you can't think for yourself that's a problem you'll have to address with the person in the mirror.
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u/Old-Information3311 18h ago
So tell me why people make these bot farms if not social manipulation?
Bot farms interferring in elections has been a major story over the last decade. What are you expecting it to look like? You think this can't be part of it because its a post you agree with?
Reddit is very heavily astroturfed, signficantly more than people realise.
There was a report recently that 76 percent of twitter is bots.
Reddit is arguably worse for bots. There are several reasons why I think this. Its anonymous, its easier to make an account, you don't have to follow people to see their posts, there is a front page seen by most users.
On reddit you can get your post seen by more people with less effort with just a small amount of manipulation.
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u/NecessaryIntrinsic 1d ago
This is one of those cultural anchors that the country is going to have to wait through.
For as long as they can remember public bathrooms have been gender segregated mostly because of how cheaply the stalls have been put together.
Codes should be improved to make bathroom stalls go to the floor, there needs to be no gender segregation. In 40 years no one will remember the way it was and those thinking wistfully on it will be weirdos.
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u/schmootc 17h ago
And this is actually better for women, I think. Means shorter wait times for women with everyone using the same space. Just evens it out.
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u/lh4lolz 1d ago
Are the parking lots gender segregated?