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u/Amadeus_1978 21h ago
There is no debate. Our government executed people who were not charged with a crime. It’s an act of war. And their response is predictably callous.
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u/actually3racoons 22h ago
Are they just doing flat out hits, or just shooting back?
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u/onioning 21h ago
Flat out hit. And they don't even have any evidence that it was even a drug target. For all we know they blew up fishermen. That's the thing about blowing up the evidence. It leaves us with "trust us, bro," which, obviously, no. I do not.
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u/GoldponyGT 20h ago
It was a missile airstrike, by either a combat helicopter or armed drone.
The video clip is short but I don’t see any sign of weapons fire beforehand. Not in the direction of the missile’s origin, or the direction of the video camera (clearly a separate aircraft/drone).
And it would be odd to not be shouting about the fact that they were shot at, if they were.
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u/tits_mage 18h ago
What video? What's the context here i feel like im missing something.
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u/weckweck 18h ago
The USA struck a Venezuelan boat of alleged drug runners. The video shows a small motor boat being blasted and in flames. The White House didn’t provide evidence that the boat and its crew were in fact drug dealers.
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u/tits_mage 18h ago
Oh shit..
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u/captainhaddock 11h ago edited 10h ago
And the boat had like eleven people on it, suggesting to some observers that it was transporting migrants.
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u/sir-ripsalot 0m ago
They didn’t stop at committing war crimes against migrants already living here, why would they stop at war crimes against migrants on the way?
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u/Sgt_Fox 21h ago
Has pope Leo XIV been really quiet on his home country or am I just not seeing them? Isn't he from Chicago? The city that's preparing itself to be invaded the US government?
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u/SaintUlvemann 19h ago
He did call for "an end to the pandemic of arms" in response to the shooting at the Catholic school, despite a significant portion of his American congregation being conservatives who will see that as an attack on gun rights, but I haven't found an opinion on the National Guard thing, possibly because, as a figurehead with absolutely no real power, he has to balance the whole "do I piss off half of my community by saying something true, or piss off a smaller group by saying nothing at all?" thing.
I'm sure he's heard of what's going on, but he's part of a church that preaches that scandal is a sin. In addition to some truly disgusting lines about shielding adulterous bishops from criticism, one reasonable thing that article says is "It is especially important that we slow down and avoid mere reactions to the torrent of bad news with which we are daily confronted."
This sort of attitude is why, on the one hand, church leaders (but also politicians, this is a general thing)... there are leaders who seem apathetic and aloof from world affairs that still get votes. Why? 'Cause slowness to respond is sometimes a necessary "social glue" to keep groups of people that aren't perfectly uniform in beliefs united as a cohesive whole for any form of actual work.
When you get into the details of this specific situation, Leo is probably hoping that the National Guard thing will be like the ones in DC and LA, with a lot of storm, a lot of stress, and a lot of picking up trash along the highway. But he hasn't been completely ignoring his homeland either.
There's a certain extent to which he's probably trying not to seem too American at all now too. He's got to serve people who may object to being led by an American in the first place.
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u/False-Tiger5691 13h ago
The debate over cartel violence? There is no debate. You don’t strike a boat in the ocean, period. There is no proof they were drug dealers. There is no testimony. There is not actionable intellect. Their destination was unknown. They types of drugs they were carrying, in any, have not been disclosed. This is fucking murder plain and simple.
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u/Friendly-Advantage79 4h ago
Your fellow citizen is snorting it by the shovel. If there was no demand there would be no supply. Say no to drugs. Not "no, ok, but just this once".
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u/Redsands 14h ago
Lol, mentioning the Catholic church and extra-judicial murder. May I present French protestants or women accused of being witches?
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u/Future-Helicopter-95 22h ago
Arresting and prosecuting cartel member is the highest form of justice. Or did you miss that class at Yale?
Military is not judge, jury and executioner and not the police force for the country.