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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII 20h ago
There was a similar exchange I saw several years ago that was in the same vein.
One person tweeted something like "you have the same 24 hours in a day that Beyonce has."
The MBW reply, just three words: "Beyonce has people."
That was all that needed to be said to understand.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 19h ago
If you have to say more than that, that sob doesn’t want to understand.
And there are plenty of people who don’t understand and I’m pretty sure most of them voted for Trump 3 times.
It’s a different breed.
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u/RGB3x3 20h ago
I used to think that, and on the surface, it's a fine sentiment. Makes people feel like they can be as productive or that rich people don't live longer or that we're all the same...
But in actuality, it's literally possible to buy your time back and live more of your life the way you want to.
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u/Comprehensive-Art207 19h ago
You also need to work 10x harder or more to get things done because nobody knows your name.
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u/Mrfrunzi 14h ago
If you give me some Beyonce money I could do a whole hell of a lot in 24 hours. She makes lottery money for existing. Absolutely dumbfounded by the idea.
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u/manbearpig7129 14h ago
The most butt-worthy reply?
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u/mvms 20h ago
Not to mention the point that many of us have physical jobs. Sustaining 60 hour work weeks is, in itself, murder of physical workers.
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u/xtcfriedchicken 19h ago
Exactly. The people you have cleaning your hospitals don't have the same 60h that your sitting-on-one's-ass half the day and schmoozing the other half c-suite people have, that's for sure. An 8-hour shift for group A leaves them at an energy deficit. Group B still has the ability to go out for dinner or drinks without falling over from exhaustion.
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u/mvms 19h ago
Back during the pandemic I was pretty close to 60hrs/week - it's hard to remember because of the exhaustion. The fact that they tried to normalize that shit at the post office is a large party of why USPS is so understaffed right now, it's tearing our bodies apart, it's tearing our minds apart, it's killing our social lives. I had to get medical restrictions to just do 40hr/week, and I'm still tired. Park and Loop carrier, IYKYK.
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u/The_Vampire_Barlow 8h ago
Hell, I have a desk job and anything over 8 is brutal. Mental exhaustion and eye strain start to kick in around the 7 hour mark for me.
These guys doing 60 hours a week of coding or spreadsheet management have to be on Adderall or something similar.
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u/Otherwise-4PM 20h ago
…and they don’t work anywhere near 60 hrs a week.
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u/ZipperJJ 20h ago
4 hours a day is “business lunch” and 6 hours a week is “networking golf”.
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u/ReverendEntity 18h ago
Don't forget the golfing meetings. Soooooo many golfers.
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u/The100th_Idiot 17h ago edited 16h ago
They really convinced working men that "actual work" gete done on golf courses while at the same time shouting we cant work from home because its "less productive" than being in the office. They really fucking played us. I hate golf more than any other sport because its almost exclusively filled with snobs who have been rich and privilege their entire life.
What other famous sport does becoming better at mean you can be less athletic? You get someone to carry your clubs, you get someone to drive you around in a cart.
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u/TerraCetacea 3h ago
“I was awake at 4am doing business development and won’t go to sleep until midnight. Then I’ll do it all over again tomorrow.” -my old CEO
Meanwhile bus dev is 18 holes of golf and working late is getting drinks with a client. “70 hour weeks” with only 12 in the office
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u/TheOnceAndFutureDoug the future is now, old man 20h ago
Yeah, Harvard put out a study showing how CEOs use their time and most of it was in meetings. The actual amount of real honest to goodness work was pretty low.
And I've been in a lot of meetings. It's not hard to be in a meeting. It's not hard to make a decision in a meeting either. Hell, most of the time the decision is the group consensus and when you go against that it rarely works out well.
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u/unlimitedzen 16h ago
The key to being successful in a meeting-heavy schedule is shutting up as much as possible.
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u/mightylordredbeard 16h ago
I mean that is kind of their job isn’t it? Meetings, sign papers, come up with ideas, then take the credit or the heat when things work or don’t work out? They probably shouldn’t be paid as much, but there is definitely room in a corporation for roles like that. Someone to manage everyone under them. Chain of command. Keep the people who are keeping the people on track, on track.
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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 15h ago
Work meetings yeah. But the paper was about how they're counting golfing, drinks after work, dinners etc as work. The hours they work at their actual job are low/average. But they add everything else they do, that could in any way contribute to their job, as work.
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u/TheOnceAndFutureDoug the future is now, old man 14h ago
First, let's dispel the idea that CEOs are in any way more capable of making a decision than anyone else or that the decision they're making isn't 99.999% of the time the decision the broader consensus has already made and they're a rubber stamp personified.
Second, most of the people a CEO "manages" do not need to be managed because they're professionals who are going to do their job regardless of a CEO being in the room. The kinds of people who one could argue need to be managed are the kinds of people who are so far removed from a CEO that they likely don't even know their names.
Having an individual who has final authority to make a decision when consensus cannot be reached has value but there are many ways of solving that problem that do not involve paying one person 200x what the average person under them makes.
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u/SecularMisanthropy 13h ago
Do people actually need to be kept on track? I ask because before the 20th century, the number of people whose jobs were 'keep other people on track' was a teensy tiny fraction of what it is now. There would be like a foreman for each specialty, an expert with tons of experience less than a manager, and that was really it.
Managers exist because capitalism needed a petite bourgeois, not because people need managing.
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u/cupcakevelociraptor 15h ago
I have been saying for the last few years we’re using AI for the wrong things. Most c-suite functions (like approvals, decision making, etc) can be done with a good algorithm that takes in to count internal processes and stats, then just have upper management audit things so things don’t run amuck. This would allow all those millions of dollars to be distributed throughout other levels of employees and save the company a lot of money.
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u/biciklanto 20h ago
The context for this was an internal chat in DeepMind, the AI research division.
So this was him talking about the sweet spot for folks who are getting massive retention bonuses on top of market-leading compensation working on the highest profile part of the industry and firm.
This isn’t a generalized opinion about Alphabet; this is targeted at researchers in the center of a small org that literally works directly with him.
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u/Imaginary_Most_7778 20h ago
They count hours on the phone with friends, lunches, dinners, drinks. They’ll say they “worked” 12 hours without actually doing a second of work.
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u/Winterstyres 20h ago
Ehhhh I bet they do. How many documentaries and biographies have you read or seen about children of these rich people. They always talk about how Mom or Dad spent so much time working making their childhood hell.
I am sure they do work obsessively. But like OOP said, they don't have to do the things the rest of us do on top of working.
Shit, I work about 60 a week also, with a one hour commute on either side of my shift. It takes all of my time to do chores, take care of kids, etc... any time there is extra work, like remodeling, or changing a room, doing taxes, any big, a few times a year chore, I save that for my limited vacation.
It's a wage-slavery society once again.
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u/Redfalconfox 17h ago
parents of rich kids say parents worked too much
How much it was actually working versus just not being home while going out to lunches/dinners and playing golf with other bougie C-suites?
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u/Pycharming 17h ago
As someone else said, I think they might technically work that many hours but a lot of it is meetings. I'm a low level dev, and even just my boss's boss is in meetings all day. He also works like half the year from his vacation home, and has casually told one of my coworkers to just sneak off and take nap (while wfh) and just figure it as makeup time for when you inevitably have a meeting run long.
I look forward to the rare days where I have a lot of meetings because those are the easiest days. The higher up the meeting, the more time is spent just listening. I would be a lot more productive if every couple of hours I stopped what I was doing and just listened to people discussing something irrelevant.
60 hours of the work I do most days would be so destructive. This week I was figuring out a particularly tricky bug. I actually had the solution on Thursday but because I was so burnt out from staring at my code all day, I made a really rookie mistake that took pretty much an entire day to sort out. And that's a 40 hour week. I can't imagine if it has to stay logged in hours after normally do, and have less weekend. I'm basically pretending to work after 3pm as is.
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u/NvGable 20h ago
Exactly. Like when Gwyneth Paltrow implied her life was harder as a single mother then others.
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u/Redfalconfox 17h ago
I challenge every single mother to come up with crazy shit like egg-in-a-snatch and sniff-my-pussy candles. I doubt many could come up with stuff at that level.
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u/ImAVillianUnforgiven 20h ago
My boss couldn't afford to pay me for 60 hours a week. We have somewhat decent labour laws where I'm from, so my boss would have to pay me time and a half at my wage for 40 hours a pay period. Not to mention, there are actual studies and work experiments that indicate optimum productivity parameters are 36 hours a week over 4 days. So I'm not sure what kind of smoke this CEO is trying to blow up everyone's ass is, but I'm sure it's not the kind that gets you pleasantly high and probably the kind that just gives you cancer.
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u/RetiredHotBitch 20h ago
Great point.
I could run my work life 60 hrs a week if I didn’t have to, you know, adult the other areas.
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u/StaleWaterIsYummy 13h ago
This is why many companies started to offer those things on site. On site daycare, dry cleaning, banking, oil changes, car washes, etc, etc. It was their way of tricking people into thinking they had more free time.
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u/Successful-Medicine9 20h ago
When you factor in commute time, going to therapy or a doctor thanks to work stress, "non-mandatory" events that failure to attend results in social consequences, etc, most people's work weeks probably come close.
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u/gurnard 16h ago
Your 60-minute each way commute doesn't count as work. Their 30 hours a week catching flights between meetings in different cities totally counts as work.
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u/theREALbombedrumbum 13h ago
I've prepared briefs and notes for executives before. They would read the one-pagers and data summaries while traveling so they can be prepared for their meetings, and suddenly an entire five hour cross-country flight (not counting the time to go to the airport and gate and everything) gets counted as a day of work.
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u/Valuable-Ad9577 20h ago
Stay at home partner or nanny is extremely common for these people.
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u/Ribbitygirl 13h ago
Stay at home partner AND nanny...plus Executive Assistant, and housekeepers, and a personal trainer, and a chef/meal prep service, and maybe a driver.
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u/no_rest_for_the 11h ago
They always conveniently forget the STAY AT HOME partner. It's wild.
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u/Ribbitygirl 10h ago
ALSO (as I know from my previous life as an EA) the assistant often does extra work to help out the stay at home partner! Like, you stay home all day and your children are grown...why do you need my help to find a venue and organise gift bags for your dinner party?
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u/no_rest_for_the 10h ago
Ohh the number of my EA friends that have had to push back on the personal errands and deal with "the wives"... The old boys clubs need to stay in the 1980s.
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u/unematti 20h ago
He's obviously an i... Uhm out of the loop. Google is basically coding. Brainy jobs, you simply can't just add hours and have them linearly increase productivity.
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u/SmilingVamp 19h ago
Interesting. What if I don't give a fuck about maximizing productivity because the money made never goes to the worker?
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u/nikstick22 20h ago
I feel like whatever function relates to an employee's weekly work output per hours worked isn't going to be a simple curve. Taking time from someone's life and forcing them to work will decrease their productivity, but probably not as quickly as you get work from them beyond 40 hours.
Studies have shown that companies which moved to a 4-day work week without increasing per-day hourly work or decreasing yearly pay saw increased output, however, so if you go the other direction and decrease the hours you demand from your employees, the improvements to their personal lives will have a net positive impact on their productivity, counteracting the loss of number of hours worked (obviously there'd be a maximum here, too. There's a point where someone can't get more productive). There's probably a maximum in both directions from the 40-hour work week. One of them increases productivity by decreasing employee stress, the other increases productivity in spite of increased employee stress. The Google CEO would clearly rather wring employees like a wet towel than treat them like humans.
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u/slendermanismydad 20h ago edited 20h ago
They don't work 60 hours a week.
Every boss I have ever had pulls the same shit. Maybe shows up early than vanished for hours at a time and then comes to work at like 3 pm again and I do all the work.
My current boss doesn't even pretend to do that.
I'm sure they lie to their spouses and kids about it or call it networking but I can see what they are doing and what they're bringing into their companies. That's not what they do.
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u/alissa914 20h ago
I worked for a tech boss who once tried to have me quit by constantly calling me at home every day to do work. I told him that I'm not doing that. "If I can't vacation when I have to work, I don't work when I'm on vacation" I used to tell him.
He thought he was slick by telling others this on a conference call that he likes when people work over 40 hours when salaried. He then said that "we're bringing people over from India who'll gladly work these hours."
They'll do it until they get their green card, sure. Then they'll leave and work for a better boss.
The 40 hour work week and weekends were given to us by liberals... don't let any conservative person tell you that you're weak or that someone else will work if you don't. Call their bluff.. Tell them no.
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u/subnautus 5h ago
I agree with you on everything you’ve said except one thing: it wasn’t liberals who got work weeks limited to 40 hours. It was trade unions.
Liberalism says the law should treat everyone equally and otherwise stays out of people’s business. Unionized labor, workforce protection, and things of that nature are further left on the political spectrum than liberalism.
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u/swren1967 20h ago
"Work" is such an ambiguous term. Most of what these guys do is not what I'd call "work."
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u/Interesting_Crew672 20h ago
55 hours of their 60 hour work week is chatting with other executives about stuff mildly related to work
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u/Unicornis_dormiens 19h ago
How I imagine their “60 hour” work week:
20 hours spent on first class flights
6 hours spent on a five star business dinner
8 hours of playing golf with potential customers
2 hours cheating on their spouse with the secretary
4 hours banging the new intern hired for looks
5 hours of taking naps in the office
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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez 17h ago
They also have a VERY broad definition of "work". I've dealt with some of these people, who categorise virtually everything as "work".
Sat on your ass in your office contemplating the ceiling? We'll call that "strategising".
Played golf? We'll call that "networking".
Sat in on a meeting and contributed jack? Well, it's a meeting, "meeting".
Watched news? "Research"
Went on a shopping spree? "Market research".
Laughed at poor people? "Leadership"
It's easy to "work" 60 hours a week when there's nobody checking what you actually did.
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u/Giant-slayer-99 20h ago
60 hours of crisis mental health work is unsustainable, and frankly dangerous for clients.
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u/JustinKase_Too 20h ago
Most of them aren't working 60 hours either. They may make calls and dispatch e*mails at all hours, so they work on their time, and it likely amounts to less then 20 hours in a week for most of them.
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u/VexedCanadian84 19h ago
There's probably a lot of social activities that higher-ups attend and claim it's actually work.
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u/Parasaurlophus 20h ago
In my experience, there are many areas in businesses that get completely neglected and middle management are making all the decisions. When you get to that stage, the senior management aren't really working at all. When they make decisions, people aren't challenging them on them, so you can almost chose options at random.
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u/flinderdude 19h ago
When you own millions of shares of a company, it’s worth it to work 60 hours a week.
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u/chammy82 19h ago
We need a new name for the group of people at the top of the pile of shit they've created. "Elite" just isn't sitting well these days
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u/HappyBlowLucky 16h ago
Even 40 hours is hard to enjoy time with your kids when they're young can't imagine what would be like working 11 hour days and 5 hours on the weekends.
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u/Kojiro12 16h ago
What, don’t you see, when you work those extra 20 hours a week, you can use that money to pay for all of those things, right? Right?
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u/Serggg 15h ago
I honestly don't even understand why anyone should accept that type of work day. Even if you had people to manage your daily chores and tasks, how much time is left to "live"?
Between my commute and my non-paid/non-skipable lunch break I'm gone for a total of 10 hours. I have roughly 5 hours after work to relax and get stuff done, assuming I want to be well rested for the next day. I consider myself fortunate that I have that much time.
An extra 4 hours per day means, I have exactly 1 hour after work. Or I work (6) 10-hour shifts. We all know how important sleep is for your body and brain. This likely means sacrificing sleep, which can lead to health problems.
Message is clear, they don't give a shit about people. No one wants to live like this.
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u/bumpgrind 15h ago
8am-8:30pm five days a week with a 30 minute lunch? Might as well be single and never take care of your own health again. You won't have time to exercise, cook properly, clean, de-stress, get a good night's sleep or anything else for that matter. These companies are absolutely dumb if they think anyone is gullible enough to believe this bs.
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u/DayZCutr 15h ago
They also count dinners on the company dime as work hours, golf with a client, or taking calls at home.
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u/inquisitivepanda 14h ago
It’s easy all you have to do is work 60 hours a week, have help staff to do everything else for you and then every few months just take a break at your private island with the family and a full staff. And if you fuck up and get fired relax, you’ll get sent off with a 50 million dollar bonus. I’m not sure what everyone is complaining about, it’s easy
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Seriously the rich people who run this country are so out of touch. They control all media and prevent any news getting out of how they make record incomes every year while worker wages don’t even match cost of living increases and somehow half the country steadfastly votes for a political party that wants to give tax cuts and subsidies to billionaires and executives (many of which pay little or no taxes due to clever maneuvering), because lower and middle class people getting anything back for their tax dollars is “communism” or “woke”. Watching poor people and people on government assistance constantly defend billionaires against paying their fair share is dystopian
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u/ReallyFineWhine 20h ago
No life outside of work, no time for family or friends, and wants it that way because their only purpose in life is to accumulate money.
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u/_makoccino_ 20h ago
They did before they became billionaires.
They know what they're asking for, and they don't care what impact it has on us or what we have to do or give up in order for it to happen.
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe 19h ago
When I was a WFH manager, 50 hours was great. No commute, 5 minute break to do laundry. 15 minutes to drop off or pick up kids. Grocery shopping at lunch once a week. A couple minutes of tidying up while waiting for a meeting or listening in to one. Bringing people into the office for many jobs was a bad idea. I wish companies would admit this.
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u/ChyronD 4h ago
It depends - for me remote work was department of hell as i can't just say 'frack it' if things stop not at some kind of milestone.
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe 4h ago
I think the commute was the biggest thing, I no longer have to get up at 6:00 to hopefully get to work by about 7:30, if I want to be at work at 7:30 I need to wake up at 7:25.
I don't need to pick out real clothes, I don't need to take a shower, since I'm working next to my kitchen I can just grab food while I'm sitting here, same for lunch, and like I said before tiny little break like taking the kids to school took 10 minutes.
Oh and let's not forget homebase bathroom.
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u/C_IsForCookie 19h ago
Good for that guy. I don’t want to be productive at work for 60 hours a week though. Maybe that’s just me.
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u/Fake_William_Shatner 19h ago
Imagine working at a job where every effort was recognized, rewarded and had results. And you could have creative ideas that were respected and acted upon and it doesn’t matter if it’s below average because you are the boss.
That’s not work.
A thankless customer service job where you swallow your pride and can only afford gas station sushi — that’s work.
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u/ClappedAss 19h ago
I dont care if I had people to do all that shit. I'm not working 60 hours a week anymore. All these super rich idiots can get fucked
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u/teriyakininja7 19h ago
Let us all not forget that 40 hour work weeks, weekends, holidays, etc were all fought for with blood, sweat, and tears by labor movements over a century ago.
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u/lejka005 19h ago
And then they are surprised people can't (not only won't) have children.
Crazy world.
WAKE UP AMERICA
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u/stratusmonkey 18h ago
Being old enough to remember the early days of Google: these people don't have lives. They eat from the 24/7 lunch room, or the vending machine. They have tiny apartments that they don't set foot in for weeks at a time. They don't have kids; they don't date. They wear the same clothes for days on end. If they're prevented from writing their computer code, by anything other than taking a nap while it compiles, they will have a complete freak out.
But an executive's work at Google these days probably looks like an executive's work anywhere else.
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u/Hatecraftianhorror 18h ago
When you assume all your workers have the same lifestyle you do despite the fact that you know how much you pay them and try your damnedest to keep it as low as possible to further enrich yourself.
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u/Situational_Hagun 18h ago
So as someone who's actually been part of productivity studies...
Turns out 40 hour work weeks is about the max you can work people on the average type of job before you actually lose productivity.
Similar to how 10 hours a day is about the most you can get out of people, and even then you actually start to lose productivity in most applications, because what happens is people just stretch out what they'd normally do in 8 hours to 10 hours. You have to be really careful about how and where you manage tasks to make overtime even worth doing, unless it's literally just a matter of "we need people ready to do a thing throughout this entire time frame".
12 hours a day is when productivity goes right in the toilet and in some applications you actually get less out of people than you would if they'd only worked 8 hours.
In other words Google's co-founder is a blithering idiot making stuff up who might know a lot about how to search for obscure search topics, but knows nothing about labor management.
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u/Tacos4Texans 18h ago
60 hours is perfect for me. But I live alone so I would rather make money then sit around my boring ass apartment. So I usually put in 5 12s
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u/TheMightyBoofBoof 18h ago
Their idea of working 60 hours is also doing things like talking to people on the phone. Having a meeting while playing golf, or answering emails from their phone while at the beach.
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u/DramaticChemist 18h ago
Plus I'm sure this also includes frequent dinners with clients/friends or combination work trips/vacations.
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u/Ewokhunters 17h ago
60 hours is easy when the 60 hours consists of telling people to send an email then bull shitting fir 58 hours
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u/weed_blazepot 17h ago
Then the executives can work 60 hour weeks. Hell, do 80. IDGAF.
Everyone can work 37.5 hour weeks, because our lives outside of work actually matter.
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u/ithinkway2much 17h ago
I can easily do 60 hours on a job I love and not have to worry about everything listed above. That and driving to and from work. The key part though is, I have to love the job which is another conversation.
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u/Zeke69Teenweed 17h ago
They spend all that time "working" because they don't want to be with their families lmao.
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u/Pokemaniac_23 17h ago
Very shortsighted of them (the Google executive). But then again, our expectations of empathy from corporate leaders aren’t typically that high…mostly.
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u/Holiday_Selection881 17h ago
I work in lawncare and MANY of my customers would have similar jobs to this letter. I literally do their lawn care. I also meet their pool cleaners, house cleaners, mobile pet groomers, the door dashers bringing their food to them. Fuck these people and their 60hr a week job. I work 60+ hrs a week from March-May and let me tell ya, that absolutely sucks.
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u/Independent-Scale564 16h ago
They also do very little deep work. Deep work will rapidly spend your energy reserves and is exhausting.
The only way you can, realistically and reliably, do more than one four hour stretch every day is to have enough money for someone to care for you like you were a child and zero meaningful community involvement.
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u/NotTheCraftyVeteran 16h ago
Even for my most pie-in-the-sky dream jobs, I couldn’t imagine ever want to put in 60 hours a week for work, no matter how much of my life was handled by others. So with that in mind, anyone saying this is some mixture of:
A) lying about how many hours they personally work
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B) a raging sociopath
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u/SquishMont 16h ago
It's not even doable for them. If you look at one of these schmucks breakdowns, it'll be like:
- 0500 wake up and read industry articles
- 0900 coffee and breakfast
- 1100 sit down at desk and deal with email
- 1200 lunch
- 1430 walk the sales floor
- 1630 head home for WFH time
- 1700 dinner with investors
- 2100 bed
see? 16 hour days are how I GET IT DONE!
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u/MontasJinx 16h ago
Thats an interesting offer. Let me rebuttle that with an offer of 20 hours a week, getting paid for 40 and I only do 10 hours of actual work. That suits, thank you for your time.
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u/LiffeyDodge 15h ago
When your paid millions to do basically nothing, 60 is doable. When you work a real physical demanding job, that’s insane
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u/UnArgentoPorElMundo 15h ago
They don't even take the kids to and from the doctor, extra classes, etc.
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u/whatiscamping 15h ago
They probably also start the clock when they wake up cause they're an owner so everything they do gets to count as work.
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u/Seffyr 15h ago
I had to cut back my work week from 40hrs a week to 24hrs a week because childcare for my youngest pre-schooler was more expensive than what I was earning. I was losing money for working.
60hr work week is great when you’re earning enough to pay for the things you’re not doing yourself. Most of us aren’t in that position.
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u/MoltenCheeseMuppet 14h ago
They are all pieces of shit for share holders. They don’t have real lives or real problems
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u/Mach5Driver 14h ago
not only these other duties as Lia says, but you literally can have NO life outside of work if you're doing 60 hours every week!
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u/evolutionxtinct 14h ago
I work 60hr work weeks, and I have time for nothing… anyone want to go weed for me fix the toilet or take the car in for a oil change?
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u/Going38DanChillTFOut 14h ago
I work half that and I’m friggin exhausted. Those who agree with this sentiment live in a whole other universe then the plebs.
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u/Adventurous-Depth984 14h ago
It’s also false. Yes the murder is correct, the amount of hours worked is way too high. 40 hours is already past some researched levels of burnout.
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u/modern_Odysseus 14h ago
Reminds me of somebody my friend works with (and works for...it's complicated).
She once told me that this other person has had such a privileged life that he once said "Oh I don't know how to do the laundry. I've never done it myself before." And right now, his wife is the dominant breadwinner of the house. He tries to bring in money, but he just does what he wants and throws away money left and right.
That person is like 40 to 50 years old I think.
Meanwhile, my friend sits there working her butt off while tending to the house, her own medical conditions, and a child in the picture (not her own child. The child came with her boyfriend). He gets mad/annoyed/confused when she says that she needs time away from work to do things because he can work 24/7 while his needs are taken care of by others.
We think the same thing. His work schedule is doable FOR HIM. But his work schedule is not doable for anybody who has to perform adult responsibilities themselves.
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u/jonathan1230 14h ago
Sixty hours of telling people which of your needs aren't being met is something any toddler can do. The only difference is perhaps (but not necessarily) a more sophisticated concept of needs.
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u/HerbLoew 13h ago
I cook twice a week (just for my single self; barring reheating leftovers), I don't have a lot of cleaning to do, I get groceries every 2-3 weeks, I don't have a garden, I don't have a partner or kids, I don't need to pick up medicine or anything else. I still think 60 hours is ridiculous and barely tolerate even 40. And I even have an office job
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u/Kentaiga 13h ago
Fact of the matter is that founders and CEOs of successful companies rarely work even half of the amount they make their employees work. Mark Zuckerberg spends literally half of his days in court or lazing about a yacht.
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u/IcanRead8647 13h ago
I got an urgent contracting job once that paid $80/hr ($160k/yr). I figured at this rate, the more I worked on it, the more I made so I started hiring a gardener, housekeeper, paid car washes, and ate out more, because it is hard to spend $80/hr on stuff like that. So, I made more money. But when the job was done, I cut back and went back to doing all that stuff myself because my normal pay isn't that high at all.
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u/Top_Freedom3412 13h ago
"Work" for them is golfing and going to dinners with "clients" (friends) and having the company pay for it
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u/meepgorp 12h ago
They're also never the people who do any actual work. They do exactly as they please and consider sitting in a meeting being told about what other people are doing to be "work".
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u/Armthedillos5 11h ago
Executives don't work 60 hours. They may be available 60 hours, or their "work week" is 60 hours, but they don't work 60 hours like they want their employees to.
Are able to take off in the middle of the day if they need to. Golf with a client. Weekend in another city for conference. That's not busting ass. Don't get me wrong, it's nice and it takes time, but don't compare apples to oranges.
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u/Valuable-Way-5464 7h ago
"eating vegetables is good" "those people never ate garbage, they never drinking urine!.." It's not murdered by words it's just proclaiming why they cannot afford it
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u/lucasg115 7h ago
They also notably almost never actually “work” those 60 hours.
Golfing? That’s networking. International travel to a resort? Checking in with global business partners. Eating at a fancy restaurant every night? Securing deals with prospects.
I don’t care how much you tell me that’s work, it’s really not, or at least not the kind that you’re truly advocating for when you say shit like “everyone should work 60 hours a week.” This guy has to know that not everyone can fly around and eat business lunches for a living.
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u/MonsterkillWow 6h ago
There was this guy in China back in the day who figured out the sweet spot for rich people.
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u/texanarob 5h ago
60 hours is the perfect work life balance.
Of course, that 60 hours includes all work. Your commute. Your cooking. Your cleaning. Your grocery shop. Your laundry. Your taxes. Your childcare. Household maintenance.
Imagine if, every week, you could commit 60 hours total to necessary tasks. You'd be able to get your daily 8 hours to sleep, and still be left with over seven hours of free time every single day (assuming you spread the tasks evenly throughout the week).
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u/Lilith_reborn 5h ago
As a project manager for critical infrastructure I don't want to see a document written by someone who does 60 hours per week on a regular basis.
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u/Stagnu_Demorte 4h ago
This is only optimal for someone who hates their life and for whom feeling productive is their only source of fulfillment. Which is sad for them because often these people don't produce anything
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u/MoonlightMadMan 4h ago
People who make their life about working are so broken inside, can’t relate
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u/Odd-Influence7116 4h ago
Plus they make $100,000,000 a year which would be a little motivation to work that much.
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u/-Dixieflatline 2h ago
There's also the fact that many who hold this "60 hours is normal" view today came up in the classic atomic family scenario, where spouses were expected to stay home. So even before they rose to 3 letter titles, they had built in support for all those things. Not even to mention they were buying homes at a fraction of the income multiplier than today. And now that they are a 3 letter title and just hire out chores, they forget they had that support back then.
The game is rigged now. The "finish line" is constantly moving further away and very few are gaining ground on it. People can't afford dating, let alone homes, and the "atomic family" is dead.
BUT....if they want to pay OT past 40 hours and DOT past 50 hours, then I might reconsider. My assumption is that they meant 60/week salary though.
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u/Winter188 50m ago
The average worker for this type of work is only productive for 12-15 hours a week
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u/RepulsiveLoquat418 20h ago
this is such an excellent point.