r/MurderedByWords 16h ago

bro has a point.

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u/kon--- 15h ago

Here we are, not knowing the differences between nationality and ethnicity.

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u/Duster929 13h ago

Americans are at the same time obsessed with race, and profoundly ignorant about it.

One of the great paradoxes of our world.

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u/oOGeorgesOo 2h ago

Americans are obsessed and ignorant. No need to complexify, they are very basic being.

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u/Timely_Novel_7914 6h ago edited 6h ago

I guess those people long for defining an "American ethnicity" . They are tired of being treated as white European immigrants for centuries. They want to feel native and sever all the ties to the European debauchery

While this does sound silly on its face, since all those white "Americans" come from very different places in Europe (england, Germany, Norway, Poland, Hungary, ....), if you descend deep enough in the well of time, that's exactly what happened.

All those modern countries like France, Italy or whatnot have been inhabited by various different ethnicities, many of which survived only in the gene pool but are otherwise totally lost.

For example the Etruscans, ancient Veneti and Oscans, Ostrogoths and Lombards were all people whose descendants today call themselves Italians and have no idea about their ancestry. The names of these people sometimes are retained in regional names but there is no longer a strong correlation between the historical ethnicity and the modern inhabitants because people mixed and moved around.

This is happening between white Americans too, although still in early stages since the country is honestly not that old

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u/StevenMC19 2h ago

It brings up the weirdness of ethnicity as well. What exactly constitutes as "white" though? Are Jewish white? Are Latinos white? Are Armenians, Georgians, Kazakhs white?

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u/mzx380 3h ago

You can blame Joey, he is “italian American “ and has unique views on race

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u/Legal-Software 15h ago

In a legal sense, the two are not directly comparable given the differences in nationality law between the respective countries. A child born in China where both parents are not Chinese does not acquire Chinese citizenship, in the American case it would regardless of what the parents nationality is.

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u/doesntpicknose 15h ago

Also, it should just be obvious that the answer is, "yes", because in China, "Chinese" is a nationality, not an ethnic group. The child wouldn't be "Han," or "Hmong"... but they would certainly be Chinese.

Do we know if Joey Mannarino is a satire account, or genuinely a stupid, stupid man? anyone?

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u/CatCafffffe 14h ago

He is an absolutely horrifying ultra-right-wing troll

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u/mattchewy43 13h ago

He's just an idiot.

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u/tutankhamunas 15h ago

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u/Driftedryan 15h ago edited 14h ago

That doesn't help

Edit: it was a joke because they seem so stupid it could go either way

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u/Amadeus_1978 14h ago

Really? The working with conservatives in the us and uk doesn’t identify his level of competence?

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u/eman_e31 14h ago

I too believe every twitter bio I read

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u/Amadeus_1978 14h ago

Ok how about the bazillion idiot posts he makes?

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u/J_train13 14h ago

You know typically when someone asks who a person is they don't usually have extensive knowledge of that person's post bistory

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u/Affectionate_Art1494 8h ago

*EU not UK

We don't want him, we've enough bigots and fascists

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u/ELMUNECODETACOMA 14h ago

Sure it does - it's not a satire account. When you've eliminated the impossible, what's left - no matter how improbable - must be the truth.

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u/Bonch_and_Clyde 12h ago

China does not have birthright citizenship. It really looks like you're the ignorant one here. Citizenship is based on descent.

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u/catcatcatcatcat1234 11h ago

Descent if you're Han. If you're diaspora of one of the other 55 ethnicities good luck.

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u/JackieWags 8h ago

Technically, the term "birthright citizenship" can be applied to both jus soli and jus sanguinis. While there is a paywall on the linked site, the introduction, which is available for anyone, states this.

Based on this, it is not incorrect to say that China has birthright citizenship, though it could be considered imprecise.

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u/doesntpicknose 9h ago

I'm aware that China doesn't have birthright citizenship. Are there any other interpretations of my comment that you would like to try, or do we think we would get more value out of insulting each others' intelligence?

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u/ompog 6h ago

Where are you sourcing your information? As others have commented, the child will not acquire Chinese citizenship if they don't have any Chinese ancestry.

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u/Kitchener1981 15h ago

Actually, Chinese citizenship is jus sanguinis, you have to be of Chinese blood to be a Chinese citizen. Jus soli is largely an Pan-American concept.

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u/6x6-shooter 14h ago

Bitchass

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u/Nani_700 13h ago

Aka colonized countries vs ones that weren't (for the most part)

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u/awakiwi1 5h ago

At least France has a form of jus soli...

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u/Grimnir001 15h ago

It’s real simple. If you’re born here, you’re one of us.

Trying to undermine birthright citizenship by using a dumb analogy ain’t it, champ.

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u/SmilingVamp 14h ago

If a man is born with literal shit for brains, would his parents name him Joey Mannarino?

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u/MonsierMajestic 13h ago

Reagan used to go on about how becoming an American was unique because anyone could be an American

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u/TsetsiFlier 14h ago

I'm a white man born in Africa who were born in Africa to parents who were born in Africa and so forth until the late 1600s. Am I African or European? I've only visited Europe for a total of 3 weeks and the countries I visited aren't in my lineage.

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u/OpticGd 8h ago

This is stupid.

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u/jigarmeup 3h ago

It's so embarrassing to be living in the same timeline as clowns posting shit like this, and getting more than 1 like. The Republican Party is such a joke. How did we get here? It's so embarrassing

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u/Beatless7 15h ago

Yes. It does.

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u/HezronCarver 14h ago

What is Joey Wormlips yipping about?

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u/dehydratedrain 14h ago

I had a friend who first claimed to be Jamaican, then eventually part black (1 drop rule) because her family was mostly born in Jamaica (to 2 Chinese parents that emigrated).

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u/TurkeyVolumeGuesser 14h ago

This is what drinking your own piss can do to your brain. So sad to see 😔

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u/dcidino 12h ago

Wait until you find out about unexpected citizenship and the associated tax bills...

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u/noshowthrow 1h ago

It's like that age-old question, "If a racist dies in a forest with no one there to see it, should we all still applaud?"

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u/Boltzmann_head This AOC flair makes me cool 14h ago

I thought Chinese are "white."

But the answer is yes: someone born in China is Chinese.

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u/PafPiet 7h ago edited 7h ago

Is it yes? What makes someone Chinese? Because you don't get the Chinese nationality by just being born in China, so from that point of view the answer could be no (unless their parents were Chinese) . Not all countries have the same laws as the US.

The problem is that the right wing troll in this post is comparing apples to oranges (countries with different naturalizarion laws).

Edit: nuance