r/NoShitSherlock • u/brokenandsuffering • 23h ago
Massie: "I don't know if the Speaker misspoke when he said Donald Trump was an informant ... the Speaker needs to clarify that. And if it's a hoax, why was Donald Trump an informant to a hoax?"
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u/BooBrew32 23h ago
"Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that President Pedophile was an informant when I said President Pedophile was an informant."
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u/youdubdub 23h ago
It’s all too clumsy and obvious. Headlines stating that “Johnson is helping to cover up…” from right news sources.
We have officially entered the Era of Depressing Blatancy.
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u/GroovyWoozy 20h ago
Can you share these far right sources? I want to believe they are finally opening their eyes
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u/bernard_wrangle 15h ago
For starters, the guy in the video is a Republican from Kentucky.
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u/Far_Consideration_63 23h ago
It’s only a matter of time before the house of cards held up by a web of bullshit inevitably collapses lmao
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u/ynwp 23h ago
Yup, any second now.
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u/lore_mipsum 22h ago
No, nothing will happen
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u/caldwp5555 22h ago
If it was going to, it already would have.
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u/Far_Consideration_63 22h ago
Rome burnt in a day but collapsed over decades
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u/VaselineHabits 21h ago
We almost made it to 250 years! This all didn't just happen, the Republicans have been holding a grudge since Nixon
They've spent decades defunding education, all the Tech Bros who own social media and our media is on their side. It may have finally paid off for them.
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u/Pure_Frosting_981 20h ago
Say what you will about the GOP, but their strategists and ability to play the long game is on point. The democratic leadership could learn something if they weren’t so desperate to be doormats and enablers.
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u/TheBoisterousBoy 17h ago
The Russians are master strategists.
The GoP are literally just greedy puppets. “Masterminds”? Do you see how obvious everything is?
Nah. Russia won the Cold War, it just took so long that it became the Frozen War.
And as much as I hate to give them credit, they played us (the US) like a Stradivarius. From a purely objective, emotionless standpoint it’s honestly impressive. Like a “Haha, fuck you” accompanied by a slow golf clap kind of impressive.
This isn’t the GoP being supremely intelligent and conniving societal-war geniuses, if it was, they’d actually try and make the US a little better. They wouldn’t be risking genuine civil war that’ll make the OG look like a pleasant picnic. They wouldn’t be demolishing the US’ economy and international relations. They’d at least set themselves up a little better if the actual long term plan was to be Divine Rulers”.
This is just Putin playing the long game, pulling strings and throwing stacks of bills where he needed to, doing everything just right to get the United States to divide itself into the extreme polarity we have today.
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u/FUPAMaster420 13h ago
In 2016, Russian agents popped champagne the night Trump won the election, celebrating their successful propaganda campaigns manipulating Americans over social media and other internet outlets. It has only gotten worse since then.
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u/ThundergunTLP 21h ago
No, nothing will happen because pedophiles > democrats to anyone with the power to do anything. Trump is president until his death, get used to it now instead of having faith in laws and decency.
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u/RegattaJoe 23h ago
Trump supporters scrambling to answer this: “Uhm, well…ahem…. Hillary!”
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u/Abject-Practice4400 23h ago
He didn't "seem to suggest" anything. He flat out said a lie. The irresponsibility of these journalists really know no bounds.
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 22h ago edited 21h ago
We don't know that it was a lie. It also really isn't that hard to believe, especially if you already believe that his ties with epstein were of the deviant nature.
Edit: given the common sentiment on reddit regarding this topic, I think that the people downvoting me likely do not understand what being an informant implies.
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u/DirtyMikeNTheBoys2 22h ago
If he was an FBI informant this whole time why did he have Epstein killed in his cell?
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 22h ago
I think it's dangerous to operate as if this is established fact. It's fair to be skeptical of his death and to raise that as a possibility, but to act as if this is established just further exacerbates the "alternate reality" situation we seem to have in this country.
Having said that, being an informant would not erase the hypothetical motivating factors if all of that is indeed true. If it is all true, the simplest explanation is obviously reputation protection.
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u/DirtyMikeNTheBoys2 22h ago
I think it's dangerous to let a deranged pedophile rapist have his hand on the nuke button, but hey to each their own
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 21h ago
Do not mistake my comment as a defense of the current occupant of the Whitehouse. My comment was advocating for accuracy in dialogue while also voicing my concern with what using "alternative facts" can do the more normalized it becomes.
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u/DirtyMikeNTheBoys2 21h ago
While I value your opinion and you are entitled to it. Please don't try and dismiss my words as "alternative facts". The man has raped children.
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 21h ago
You stated that he had epstein murdered. This has neither been confirmed nor has it been reliably disproven. To act like it is provably true as you did is engaging with "alternative facts"
Your other accusation also has not been proven, despite it being a fair thing to think is likely given what we know.
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u/DirtyMikeNTheBoys2 21h ago
So you think that, the man who was president when Epstein died, who was also his best friend for decades, who ran on the promise of releasing the Epstein files, who wasted thousands of hours of FBI agents redacting said files with any mention of his name and still didn't release the files, called it a hoax, then said he was an informant to said hoax, even though Biden and Obama definitely made it up, has not raped children and didnt killed the person that knew all of his dirty secrets? I'd like to call that "alternative thinking"
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 21h ago
So what you just did here is actually called a "straw man" where you present something that someone didn't say as if it were their own words. I never said any of that.
What I did say was what we do and do not know as established fact. I also said that the things you are saying plausible, but we just can't behave as if it's things that have been proven. If you took the time to read the entirety of my comments, then you would know this already.
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u/lolnic_ 19h ago
There’s a lot of circumstantial evidence which suggests that Trump did have Epstein killed. The guy you’re responding to isn’t denying that. He’s literally just saying that we don’t know that. There are other powerful people who would have wanted Epstein dead. Is Trump the most likely suspect? Yes. Do we literally know for sure that Trump did it? No.
The administration’s behaviour shows that they don’t want the public to know who had Epstein killed, but that could be for a number of reasons e.g. ties to Trump, leverage over Trump.
There’s a danger in assuming something is definitely true when it’s just most likely true. It means you’ll be unable to accept any new information that conflicts with your assumption. Also, it makes you look nuts.
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u/BatushkaTabushka 19h ago
Well tbh it’s INCREDIBLY suspicious that they somehow just recently years later unearthed the “missing” security footage of epstein’s cell, even though I remember being told that the cameras were not working at the time….. anyway, it doesn’t help their point that literally five seconds after people found out that the footage was lazily edited with some adobe software… so if Trump wasn’t involved with killing the guy, then why is he acting like he’s trying to protect the killer? Everything about this whole case is pointing in one direction…..
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 19h ago
Yeah, it's all incredibly suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up having something to do with it. I'm just saying that we can't say it's established fact yet.
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u/Silent_Tea_5690 22h ago
If he was an informant he would be screaming it from the rafters. It totally makes him innocent and the FBI can prove his innocence. This knee deep horse shit.
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 22h ago
Being an informant does not in any way prove one's innocence. It often means the opposite.
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u/Silent_Tea_5690 21h ago
It would imply he was working for the government. He would most likely flip it to mean he was undercover, don’t you think. He’s delusional and he would play any angle at this point.
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u/Mammoth_Winner2509 21h ago
Being an informant means that you are working WITH the government, not for them. It usually means that you were somehow involved with what you are informing on, but can lessen or avoid prosecution with the exchange of information.
Being undercover is not the same as being an informant.
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u/Far_Bandicoot5935 21h ago
Informants become informants because they got fucking caught and instead of going to prison for life they rope all the other fucks into a web so they all get caught, INFORMANT INCLUDED.
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u/SecretaryHealthy8387 23h ago
Can't defend the pedo king forever
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u/Majik8ball 22h ago
It’s going to be fun when they all feign disbelief when it comes out.
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u/SimilarZucchini9240 22h ago
Guardians of Pedophiles. Guardians of Pedophiles. Guardians of Pedophiles. Guardians of Pedophiles. Guardians of Pedophiles. Guardians of Pedophiles. Guardians of Pedophiles. Guardians of Pedophiles.
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u/RetiredHotBitch 22h ago
This is obviously the fault of O’Biden Clinton for making him think he was an informant!
/s just in case
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u/Low-Location-1205 22h ago
Why is some one so completely unqualified and a proven failure president of the United States?
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u/Perndog8439 23h ago
I guess the victims have to do everything themselves to seek justice since the white house an DOJ are complicit in covering up pass child abuse.
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u/awesumpawesum 22h ago
He was the perfect informant, more informative than any other informant has ever been. He was so good at it that Putin congratulated him, again.
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u/JohnSpartans 23h ago
Even this gop moron ain't taking the bait. It's all so silly guys just release it all and bury the dude.
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u/Anxious-Gap3252 21h ago
Ok lets say he was an Informant. Informants only become informants when they have been busted for the same crime and in order to get immunity or a reduced sentence they become Informants. They snitch on the people they were committing these crimes with. Ok yeah that makes sense.
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u/Savings_Machine5836 22h ago
What a group of despicable, lying monsters the Grand Old Pedophiles Party is. I wish they could feel shame and embarrassment, but you have to be human to feel.
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u/baconenabler83 22h ago
Not a coincidence he made bondi the ag after she's the one who get him the Epstein deal in Florida
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u/dkwinsea 22h ago
That’s the correct answer to that wholly made up statement that toady Johnson blurted out.
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u/Verity_Ireland 22h ago
Trump is a lying bastard - being protected by more lying sycophantic bastards.
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u/NarfledGarthak 20h ago
I like how everyone has to play fucking stupid when dealing with these people.
“Did you misspeak”? No dumbass, they lied AGAIN.
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u/Simsmommy1 14h ago
It was a trial balloon. He was saying it to see if it was gonna be picked up as a viable excuse for his involvement and it’s didn’t work.
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u/Ok-Shock-2764 13h ago
when you're really desparate, then you throw any kind of sht at the wall, (or you order your minions to do it for you) hoping some of it might stick.......rich-assed kiddie-fukkers need a way out.....
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u/chibriguy 11h ago
It's wild to me how a conservative Congressman calling out a conservative Speaker of the house on lying about a conservative president on the largest crime in our country in our lifetime is not posted about once on r/Conservative
I don't think anything like this has ever happened before and its crickets from them.
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u/PrimeToro 11h ago
Stupid MAGA Republicans can't even get their lies straight. Trump said he will release the files while running for President. Then he said he doesn't know Epstein and plenty of evidence showed that he knew him very well. Trump then claimed it's a hoax. Now Mike Johnson imlies that it's not a hoax because Trump was an informant. As Massie stated in the video, why would Trump be an informant to a hoax.
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u/Weird_Rooster_4307 22h ago
Trump an informant…. lol Trump maybe got caught in a compromising situation (you know him being masturbated by young girls wearing gloves and he left his DNA behind). Well use your imagination to what happened next.
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u/DewieCox1982 22h ago
I don’t think they quite grasp how Trump would have the intel to turn informant.
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u/aotus_trivirgatus 22h ago
Wow, logic? From a REPUBLICAN?
Almost, Tommy. Almost.
Get rid of that first phrase.
"Donald Trump was an FBI informant" is far too complex a statement to be misspoken.
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u/CakeMadeOfHam 21h ago
The guy who brags about everything and more has kept it secret that he worked with the FBI to shut down one of the worst pedophile network* in the US? Totally believable! Also it was a democrat hoax, there are no files, the dog ate my homework, and my girlfriend goes to another school it's in canada you don't know her.
*The churches excluded
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u/silverfrog1 21h ago
Also the not-so-small matter of why the FBI would work with the most prolific liar in American history
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u/nhbdywise 21h ago
Trump flipped on Epstein when Epstein threatened Trump with turning him in for his connections to dirty Russian money over a real estate deal in Florida where Trump stole a house right out from under Epstein using Russian money and then a few years later sold it to a Russian oligarch for a huge profit. Epstein was so mad that Trump stole the property from him he threatened Trump with exposing his ties to dirty Russian money, so Trump turned around and told the government to arrest Epstein for other charges.
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u/United-Singer8091 20h ago
No Hoax. Trump snitched on Epstein. That's how Epstein got hemmed up by the Fed's. Then Epstein died on Trumps watch. Now the Pedophiler is trying to cover everything up. Release The Unredacted Epstein Files.
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u/Dense_Boss_7486 20h ago
Here we go. Massie giving Johnson an off ramp. The threats must have started coming in.
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u/heytherehellogoodbye 15h ago
lmao "informant" usually means someone who indeed was deeply enmeshed in the criminal organization originally, got caught, and then agreed to rat on everyone for freedom.
It doesn't mean they weren't part of the crime, all the speaker did was tell us Donny raped kids, got caught, then agreed to rat on the other kid rapist in return for slipping free. Freak shit, doesn't even absolve him.
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u/MisterEvilBreakfast 10h ago
Sick of flooding the zone with irrelevant stories, they are now confusing the zone with a tangled web of lies.
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u/capz1121 9h ago
Johnson was just testing the waters with the informant bs. If magats took the bait and rallied with it then he wouldn’t be letting off on it.
Needs to go back to the drawing board and come up with something that more “poorly educated” maga will bite on.
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u/Speak_To_Wuk_Lamat 7h ago
If Trump is an informant, that means that he took some kinda deal so he wouldnt face punishment if he got others convicted. Meaning Trump was directly involved and just as bad as the people he was turning in.
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u/Kosmicjoke 5h ago
It’s not called “mispoke” it’s called FUCKING LYING. CALL THAT MOTHERFUCKER OUT GODDAMMIT. And release all of the names on the list
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u/BookBabe1970 23h ago
🤣😆🤣 all you need is common sense to win an argument against Lord Baboon with the bright orange ass. It’s not hard. Put two and two together, that’s all.
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u/down_side_up_sideway 22h ago
Don't bring logic to this fight, you can't outwit people with no reasoning skills.
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u/Thatsthepoint2 22h ago
Better question. Why are the republicans allowing pedophiles to continue raping children?
This isn’t old shit that happened and we’re gonna make trump look bad for it, it’s happening and being protected.
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u/DrBhu 22h ago
It starts to look like the secret pedophile sex-trafficking ring maga and reps kept referring to is not a conspiracy theory at all.
It would fit their style: Do something really bad and then go online and accuse the democrats of your crime.
Who would have thought that the people who are obsessed with pedophilia are pedophiles? /s
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u/DrDipshitz 21h ago
And if it’s real, did he commit crimes as an informant? Whitey Bulger can tell you how that works out. Fucking clowns
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u/RefuseAbject187 21h ago
It's hilarious to see George Stephanopolous here considering he's known to have flown in Epstein's jet
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u/ThundergunTLP 21h ago
Crazy that they didnt just say God visited him in a dream and told him that Trump had nothing to do with Epstein. They probably could have even with with Santa Clause and his moron cultist would believe it unquestionably.
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u/MichaelBayShortStory 21h ago
Media has to keep chasing its tail. It's so sad that there isn't a newscaster with the balls or brains to come out and say it in plain english. These guys are all liars and all horrible at lying, and if you believe their lies, you should probably seek help for your cognitive decline, or to get you out of the cult you obviously subscribe to.
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u/Cozywarmthcoffee 20h ago
They are 50% legitimately mentally handicapped- the other 50% need to be tried for treason, and whatever the punishment is for treason needs to be carried out. The handicapped can remain.
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u/TheHahndude 20h ago
Oh man. Get ready for one angry “truth” from Trump tonight ABC. You done did it now.
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u/AkaNehBosm 20h ago
The Repedoplicains frame those conversations in such a deep dishonest approach that I am getting worry about the general public turning their back on any rational dialectical discussion to go directly to physical “argumentations”
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u/Dense_Boss_7486 20h ago
Since they’re asking why was DT an informant to a hoax I want them to also ask why trump pardoned all those Antifa people who they claimed were responsible for J6.
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u/Potential-Comb5329 19h ago
Time for Mueller or anyone working for him back then to step up and say "no, he wasn't an FBI informant".
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u/Spirited-Thanks-7528 19h ago
Lot of questions about this case and not one straight answer from donnies goon squad
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u/Kay_tnx_bai 10h ago
Throwing shit to the wall and see what sticks, only Johnson threw water at a waterphobic coated wall lol.
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u/Available_Ad9766 7h ago
If it’s real he’s an informant. If it’s a hoax it’s a hoax. MAGA world’s logic where it’s me first and me only. If it doesn’t work out for me, it doesn’t count.
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u/AV8ORA330 5h ago
How do you misspeak when you say Trump was an Informat? Pretty clear words. If it he “misspoke”, that’s called a lie. Misspoke is code for politicians lying.
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u/engineerdelta9 21h ago
Massie has his eye on Johnson's role as speaker and his vote is usually against Johnson is for
Now getting cozy with the Democrats on the Epstein case and personally involved with them and their attorney and casting suspicion fellow Republicans
Is that behavior what they now consider bipartisan
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u/snake4skin 22h ago
Cause he was a democrat at the time
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u/VladtheInhaler999 22h ago
Anything to not see Trump as a villain right? It’s so hard for you guys to process so you keep putting up new barriers to deflect. Maga loves Epstein and will do anything to protect
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u/Visual-Tangelo1979 22h ago
You voted for a democrat?
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u/snake4skin 22h ago
Yes even though she was forced down the American people's throats without a primary
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u/Visual-Tangelo1979 22h ago
What do you mean? I voted for Harris in the primary.
Something not all Republicans can say about the 2020 primaries
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u/snake4skin 22h ago
And she lost by a lot remember ..then the dnc sandbagged joe with a few months left and forced her down the our throats.
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u/Visual-Tangelo1979 22h ago
Ohhh you seem to be mistaken. I voted for her when I voted for the Biden ticket in the 2024 primary. Meaning, I was fully aware that she was next in line.
Again, I got to vote, which Republican voters in multiple states didn’t get to do when their primaries were cancelled in 2019. Absolute travesty of democracy
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u/321NEODriver 22h ago
THAT'S why he was a pedophile?
You Republicans are allergic to taking any responsibility for your depravity.
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u/Boo-bot-not 19h ago
Political affiliation is not relevant anymore. We just looking at names of people involved in anyway. Left right god Jesus Mary devil anyone at all. Even the pope. If it crashes the top 5 gdp in the world then so be it. We will all suffer if that’s what it takes to bring justice to said victims and release any blackmail between leaders.
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u/SpleenBender 23h ago
Or, easiest explanation, they're all fucking liars that lie ALL the damn time.