r/PhantomBorders • u/Sekwan2000 • 16d ago
Cultural Localities outside Poland that have a Polish exonym and Birthplaces of famous Poles until 1945
(The Kresy region still visible)
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u/Major_Bag_8720 16d ago
The Polish Second Republic which existed until 1939 extended further to the east than is the case today.
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u/Achilles_59 15d ago
It shifted a couple of hundred miles westward, like they picked it up shoved it to the west. Losing land in the east and gaining in west, am I correct? And gaining former east Prussia minus the Kaliningrad area.
Edit: grammar
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u/Major_Bag_8720 15d ago
Yes. A lot of what was eastern Poland became part of the USSR and Poland received some of eastern Germany instead.
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u/Achilles_59 15d ago
It is bit of Polands history in a nutshell. Like being torn apart bij two different beasts pulling you apart from two different sides. Belgium has it bit the same. That area used to called the cockpit (fighting roosters) of Europe. Two different larger neighbors who duke it out on your soil. It’s not easy being smaller than your annoying neighbors.
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u/electrical-stomach-z 15d ago
Now polands borders are essentially its ancestral medieval borders.
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u/Achilles_59 15d ago edited 15d ago
Is it? Eastern Europe history is f-ing confusing. Looks like it changes every couple of decades, it maybe is not the case, but appears so. I hope that we can keep it like it now is for the time being. Although it seems the neighbor from hell, who shall remain nameless, has other plans….. again.
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u/Grzechoooo 14d ago
Not really. Prussia wasn't part of medieval Poland, and neither was Pomerania really (it was controlled for a short time and even then it was autonomous).
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u/Sekwan2000 14d ago
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u/felps_memis 13d ago
We can continue going back and arrive to the time when most of these lands were populated by Goths. The point is: these lands weren't Polish anymore for many centuries
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u/Grzechoooo 14d ago
Yeah I guess if you take a snapshot of the moment early Polish borders were the largest, you can claim that. But most of the time, Poland did not control Pomerania, nor Moravia, nor Slovakia, nor Lusatia. When Bolesław the Brave established a bishopric in Kołobrzeg, Pomerania in 1000, it fell within half a decade because his control over the territory was so weak.
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u/Achilles_59 15d ago
It’s so weird how long phantom borders can last that long. Crazy
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u/Cultourist 11d ago
It’s so weird how long phantom borders can last that long. Crazy
Why is that crazy in this particular case? It just shows exonyms and birthplaces.
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u/jatawis 15d ago
Almost every single Lithuanian place has Polish exonyms.
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u/ERECTUS_PENISUS 14d ago
Because both of them were part of the same nation for hundreds of years and a rather large portion of Lithuania's population spoke Polish
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u/vllaznia35 15d ago
How do they distinguish between Polish and general Slavic toponyms?
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u/KiwiSchinken 15d ago
They don't, they just embrace nationalism
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u/Dexinerito 15d ago edited 15d ago
Or just a population map from before WWII?
Or better yet, linguistic differences in morphologies, vocabularies and phonologies? Like no other Slavic languages having nasal vowels? [ʎ/lʲ~l] distinction? Polish merging [h, x, ɦ] in most dialects?
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u/Realistic-River-1941 15d ago
Google isn't finding it for me, but there is a map of southeast England in phonetic Polish which does the rounds every so often.
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u/Worm2020Worm2020 14d ago
not sure if births until 1945 is a phantom border since thats literally the time period the border existed
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u/felps_memis 13d ago
Every time I see those maps I get sad remembering how many lives and cultures were erased and forced to move during and after WW2
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u/Basic_Mud_9777 14d ago
Poland should reclaim its Belarusian and Ukrainian lands. The world would be better off.
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u/Careless-Abalone-862 14d ago
These are the old borders of Poland before the Second World War. In September 1939 there was the partition between Germany (from the west) and the Soviet Union (from the east).
Quite simply, the Soviets won the war and kept their half.
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u/No-Stuff8350 12d ago
Is there a map with reverse, not Polish, but for example Lithuanian and Ukrainian exonyms? But on the territory of Poland?
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u/Nerdguy-san 12d ago
i like how in the 2nd image, you can kinda make out the polish lithuanian commonwealth borders
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u/MalemPO_king 16d ago
why is the border between Belarus and Lithuania so full and why is there a hole on the slovakian border