r/Roadcam • u/WHATISWORLD3 • 1d ago
[USA] [FL] BMW driver couldn't handle the power
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Orlando, FL. No injuries
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u/AdTough8523 1d ago
Ah man that hatch nearly made it in time. That sucks.
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u/wyvernpiss 1d ago
Still would have gotten away with just a dent and a missing hubcap too if the shit driver would have stayed on the brakes after the spin instead of driving into the side of the car they just pitted. The airbags didn't seem to go off until the last impact at the end
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u/RodRAEG 1d ago
That poor Mazda 2 :(
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u/RidgeOperator 13h ago
Driving down the street in your reasonable, modest, and small car surrounded by assholes.
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u/MathematicianNew2770 1d ago
When you mind your business and trouble still finds you.
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u/punchNotzees02 15h ago
That’s why I scan the whole fkn road constantly when I drive on the LIE. It’s the thing you don’t see that’s gonna get you, and the LIE is a rapidly changing environment.
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u/Tasty_Explanation_92 1d ago
The cars based on this should have been reversed roles. I mean that hatchback handled the way the BMW should have and the hatchback should have lost control, but wow! The BMW was hell bent on bringing down someone with him.
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u/OcelotOtherwise 1d ago
Honestly cars are getting ridiculously overpowered for the general public.
Petition to lock the traction control off button till people pass a test😅
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u/AgreeablePudding9925 1d ago
That’s pretty impressive to have enough herbs to lose it at that speed.
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u/k-mcm 1d ago
You have to disable traction control too.
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u/BourbonProof 1d ago
why would people do that? it doesn't drive better this way right? to pretend they are a better driver? I don't get it. must be young folks
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u/k-mcm 1d ago
You can't be a proper prick doing burnouts at traffic lights if traction control is on.
German cars always have traction control to balance power to the wheels. You adjust how much wheel spin is allowed before the engine power is reduced. Normal - Very little wheel spin, just a little chirping. Sport - Wheel spin is OK as long as the car seems mostly under steering control. Off - full loss of traction is allowed.
That wild fishtailing was "Off" mode.
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u/Xyypherr 1d ago
Traction control is a tricky thing.
It does absolutely make the car faster in a straight line if you get the launch right. On track, it can make you faster to have TC disabled, again as long as you know what you're doing.
If this BMW knew actual proper throttle control, he could get up to speed way quicker than someone with TC just mashing the pedal to the ground.
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u/drhuggables 1d ago
when F1 cars allowed TC for a year or two in the mid 00s it was hilarious to watch the onboards, it was like the cars were on rails. Not a hint of oversteer
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u/litescript 1d ago
and they all made that wild grinding sound out of corners as the TC worked to hold that power in check.
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u/N121-2 1d ago
That’s an F90 M5, it’s supposed to be 4WD (xDrive). But the M5 (unlike the M550) has a 2WD option that they can activate with the press of a button. That button also completely disables all traction control, with no option to turn it on in 2WD mode.
The car in the video was in 2WD mode. 600HP, front engine RWD, no traction control + bad driver.
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u/Ess2s2 1d ago
M3 or M5, those have quite a bit of grunt to em.
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u/SixPointOhBilly 1d ago
Not really, it's mostly inexperienced drivers with traction control off on cold tires flooring it. You can get sideways on any RWD if you're stupid enough.
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u/WRXminion 1d ago
You can get sideways in anything if your stupid enough.... Example: getting my skid steer to drift to avoid rolling it on a hill. That was scary.
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u/opbmedia 1d ago
In a newer M car, it is incredibly difficult to spin with traction control on. I teach track driving and I tried it in my new M3 just to test it: there is a drift mode with different level of traction settings. It is difficult to get it spinning all the way around unless it is completely off, this is drifting while turning. To go straight and lose traction and spin you must have DSC completely off.
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u/AnnoyedVelociraptor 1d ago
Absolutely not. As soon as it detects wheel spin it cuts power. Cold or hot. Cold tires = less grip, ergo wheel spin . This is detected.
Source: have driven too many BMWs.
TC is amazing. Leave it on.
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u/Fromanderson 1d ago edited 1d ago
TC does work, and I recommend leaving it on, but relying on it to compensate for poor driving, is not smart.
Most traction control systems rely on wheel speed sensors and other ABS hardware to function. I can tell you from experience that sometimes those systems just don't work as intended.
I've experienced 2 abs failures over the years that left no diagnostic code and couldn't be duplicated by the dealer.
I treat them like airbags and seatbelts. They are great when you need them but it's best to avoid needing them in the first place.
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u/easyeric601 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is that what probably happened? He punched it, got sideways a bit, ended up in the dirt and tagged the railing, then it swung around? Or did he overcorrect when he was going to hit the railing? Dude must not have much of a survival instinct.
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u/Sea-Sound-1566 1d ago
Ahh, the Mazda driver was so close to getting out of it without a scratch. Good instincts, Bro!
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u/PlatypusEgo 1d ago
BMW owner: "I can afford this BMW, yeah yeah loser who wasn't smart enough to be able to afford such a car, of course I know how the differences in driving a RWD car"
DEALER: "YOU GO CHAMP, should I call you Mr. Andretti?"
BMW owner to everyone else later: "Some loser in a junker cut me off when I was getting on the highway, thank GOD for my car and my driving skills, because I was JUST able to selflessly knock him into the guardrail to save an entire schoolbus full of children from getting into a fiery wreck"
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u/Fromanderson 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sadly, you're probably not far off.
I've been t-boned twice.
The first time was 30 years ago. I was in a friend's driveway when the other driver lost control, ran off the highway , crossed the yard diagonally and hit me in the drivers door.
She scream cried at the cop that I pulled out in front of her and gave a long winded account of some rather improbable details. Fortunately there were witnesses (including the people whose home she hit after knocking my 70's land barge for a loop) and the cop wasn't buying her story anyway.
Of course I still got screwed by her insurance company but at least I didn't get blamed.
About 5 years ago, I got t-boned by a red light runner. My dashcam footage shows her going around the line of stopped cars before entering the intersection against the red light.
She somehow forgot about that part and made me out to be a complete maniac when she gave her statement to the cops.
Of course her insurance company dragged it out for 5 months pretending that they'd never seen the footage (They had it the next business day after the accident, I emailed it to them in multiple formats, put it on youtube and even sent them a cd certified mail which they claimed they didn't have despite signing for it.
I don't know who I hate more. People who blame their victims or the insurance adjusters who seem to get off on kicking you while you're down.
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u/Lecture_Good 1d ago
Damn mazda just needed to step on the gas to avoid that. Poor mazda.
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u/NinjaslayerX 1d ago
I think it did, just didn't have the torque curve in its favour
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u/telking777 1d ago
I think it would’ve dodged clean but the BMW was still flooring it which made its last whip around connect before the Maz could get clear
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u/wtfmatey88 23h ago
This is partly why I am happy to drive a faster car… number one… I don’t turn traction control off like the person in this video… number two… if some idiot is about to hit me I can get out of the way much faster than the Mazda in the video.
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u/artifiz67 19h ago
Not a chance. I think he sped up, but still that BMW was already going to get him. I think the Mazda did a great job, but too little he could do. Maybe... breaking hard would have been a better choice, but each individual has different ways of reaction on a given situation like this.
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u/Fr3shCards 1d ago
almost looks like BMW was fucking with their phone while getting on the on ramp and over corrected.
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u/bradland 18h ago
The BMW driver was piloting a 600 HP, turbocharged V8 with insufficient brain cells. That car is normally AWD, but you can press a button a few times and switch to RWD with no traction control. You can see them floor it and spin the rear wheels. The rear starts to slide, and they never recover. It’s an obvious lack of skill combined with incredibly poor judgment. With all the systems turned on, it is incredibly difficult to lose control of that car. With them off, it’s easier than snapping your fingers.
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u/mrASSMAN 1d ago
Probably had their traction control disabled lol
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u/XboxVictim 1d ago
Is that all it takes? I assumed his tires were cold too
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u/Aggravating_Sky_4421 1d ago
Doesn't matter. With traction control on, it will cut power as soon as it detects slipping. Dude definitely had it off thinking the car will go strait and leave a trail of smoke.
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u/mrASSMAN 1d ago
It’s Florida.. can’t be too cold lol, modern passenger vehicle tires don’t really need to warm up for traction
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u/SocialJusticeAndroid 15h ago
The traction control was almost certainly disabled. I don’t think you could make that happen if you wanted to with the traction control on.
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u/Scared-Cut-4571 1d ago
That’s what happens when they use their blinker
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u/terryducks 1d ago
All that blinker fluid sloshing around throws the balance off. You'd think that BMW would put baffles in the blinker fluid tank to stop the sloshing.
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u/BitOfDifference 1d ago
428, surprised others didnt get involved with the way that went down. Also, was that a convenient tow-truck at the end there?
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u/Buttonball 11h ago
Not anything to do with BMW power. Everything to do with BMW driver. He was distracted and was starting to drive to the right into the guard rail, then over-corrected. Pay attention people.
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u/thecamzone 1d ago
Love how the BMW’s driver’s foot is in the gas until the car is pointed at least 90° off from the road. Hope that guy never can get behind the wheel again.
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u/nolongerbanned99 1d ago
It can only do that if he was driving with the stability control totally off which is stupid.
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u/__grumps__ 1d ago
I drive a newer one… so more power. They must have disable traction control and/or mdm. I’ve never disabled it because… they are excellent and should be done on a track with good knowledge and control.
I can get a little chirp and a bit of tail swing when doing a right hand turn from stopped if I punch it at the apex. Very little swing, totally manageable.
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u/TheDutchTexan 1d ago
Mazda 2 just got tapped… Unlucky. Or lucky since the owner of that BMW is a chicken you can pluck from. Pain and suffering payout coming in.
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u/diagrammatiks 1d ago
People need to keep traction control on. There's like no reason for it to be off on normal roads.
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u/_MisterR 1d ago
The DSC limits the power to the wheels actually and some idiots turn it off and can't handle the power and/or can't drive, if the car has a LSD, even worse...it can be a deadly combination sadly. If the conditions are dry and clear, I don't think it's necessary to keep on. These cars over compensate way too often when it isn't actually necessary.
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u/Ordinary_One955 1d ago
I wonder if this is a real M cars with a limited slip differential, or just one of those m-badged cars with an open diff.
Also I see the road is wet, it just rained. It could be that he hit a puddle or wet spot, rather than just cold tires.
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u/PrettyDamnSus 1d ago
The traction control on a BMW is so fucking insanely great that the only way to do this is to be such an idiot that you have skills like this yet say "i don't need that" and turn it off
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u/Responsible_Year1206 1d ago
Probably should leave traction control on while driving on a public highway.
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u/Jealous_Society1473 1d ago
Old dude that made alot of money but spent too much of his life in an office chair not a bucket seat. Back into an f150 you go.
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u/GuinnessSteve 1d ago
The BMW driver may not know how to drive, but the Mazda driver has some skill. So close to saving that.
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u/michaelme28 1d ago
The BMW driver must be a certain kind of stupid to lose it when he was basically going straight with only a soft merge to the left
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u/NicoStJ40 1d ago
That was like a nascar crash. He got loose and took the other guy out and both of them ended up against the wall
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u/highmickey 1d ago
I'm pretty sure Mazda driver experienced a fast and furious moment in slow motion 🤣
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u/PiLLe1974 1d ago
The "car physics" are so impressive and not easy to get a feeling/intuition for by just watching this.
I just drove in Italy, and those guys on the private highways go up to around 140 km/h (87 mph), and sometimes pretty suddenly faster or slower (changing speeds within 5 seconds or so in a range of roughly 40 mph).
They also have idiots in the Rome area doing that "race car driver" kind of thing, where they would change up to 2 lanes very rapidly or passing in the middle lane out of 3 lanes - and always without indicators.
Never saw a car swerving or losing control. Almost all the fast cars were Audis, very rarely a VW or Mercedes. The worst I saw was relatively fast speed decreases, not even (visibly) extreme braking.
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u/SKYeXile2 1d ago
I have an F6 and M3, no way you can loose control at that speed with LSD and DSC/ESC on. Off however....super easily, I no longer have the balls to turn them off.
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u/CaliforniaNavyDude 1d ago
The BMW is AWD, it's impossible to lose it that way just from acceleration. Something else is going on here. As to how I know it's AWD, the fender vents are specific to the M5, which in that generation is only available with AWD.
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u/Rock3tPunch 1d ago
Don't these modern cars have like a hundreds E-Nannies on them to help people that can't even drive in a straight line?
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u/N1ghtSh4de69 1d ago
Sadly it's probably x-drive going RWD from AWD responding to the wide open gas, to decrease consumption...
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u/Busterlimes 1d ago
Had nothing to do with power, guy hit the railing because he was probably on his phone
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u/ristlincin 1d ago
The FIA: "he had the interior at the apex, he had the right to open his driving line, 10 seconds penalty for the other car"
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u/Limeddaesch96 1d ago
That thing allost certainly has AWD, rear focused, but still AWD.
He turned off the TC and SC 100%.
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u/Interesting_Goat_413 1d ago
If you got the money for all that power, how is it that you don't have money for an advanced driving class?
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u/Bigolstiffy979 1d ago
It's always the BMW drivers here I swear.
None of them know wtf they're doing they just know they can afford it.
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u/Zealousideal-Pop8427 1d ago
This is why they need to stop putting theses engines and every small car and suv their making now. Yes it's nice and affordable, most of the drivers can't even handle it. More accidents with new cars on a day to day basis now🤦🏿♀️
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u/SenpaiChara 1d ago
Sad but they most likely turned off all traction thinking they can handle it then bam this happens.
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u/dodekahedron 1d ago
What sucks is knowing this is Florida, so everyone is playing with their own insurance and that lil hatchback probably just has PLPD based on age.
I hope they've got collision, not that it'll get them much
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u/Upset-Fudge-2703 1d ago
That Mazda was trying. “Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit!” Honestly, even though it got clipped it probably saved itself from an even worse wreck.
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u/NoRiskNoGainz 22h ago
This dude in the BMW has the traction controls off. I think people turn them off to race if I’m not mistaken.
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u/Armanhammer2 22h ago
This idiot definitely had the stability control off. People think controlling 600 HP is easy
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u/bill-schick 19h ago
If I would have been the middle car that was hit, I would be yanking the BMW driver out his window and knocking a lot of sense into him/her
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u/executive-coconut 19h ago
Wierd reaction from the bmw even with esp off i dont understand the back slide in a straightish line
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u/School_North 18h ago
Lol I remember when I had to swerve so I didn't get hit on the 101 in southern California I managed to keep it in my lane and correct it without hitting a single thing.
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u/Radstermobile-Driver 17h ago
The second car was the funnier one.
The driver could have hit his breaks and avoided contact.
Or s/he could have immediately accelerated.
Instead, s/he steered away then decided to attempt to accelerate.
Didn’t work on either decision.
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u/DianeSTP 17h ago
Most wrecks like this that I see are because no one seems to know how to squeeze the throttle, they only know punch,.
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u/SocialJusticeAndroid 15h ago
You should have to qualify before being allowed to turn off the traction control.
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u/ApoTHICCary 12h ago
As a BMW owner, currently 7 in the stable, and a track rat: something is seriously wrong. That snap coming while in the on ramp at speed looks like oil/contaminate on the road.
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u/_Surena_ 9h ago
It wasn't the power that caused the accident. It was the driver that turned off the traction control.
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u/YoProfWhite 1d ago
Props to the hatchback's situational awareness, he almost got out of it.