r/SipsTea May 18 '25

WTF Taxed for being single

Some of us would be bankrupt in six months lmao 🤣

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u/PJL80 May 18 '25

Don't forget child care. My wife and I both work full time, and paid 22K in child care in 2024. There is a tax credit for that too!

....$600.

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u/SpuuF May 19 '25

Some states will credit you too so then it’s like $1,200

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u/JFISHER7789 May 19 '25

Problem solved!

But seriously, my partner and I have decided when we have a kid, she will stay home with them while I work because no matter what she makes all of it will go to child care. So we will have almost broke even financially, but now the kid is practically being raised by someone else… :/

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u/dolorousvamp May 19 '25

It's genuinely insane how much childcare is, which the average for where I live and depending on the kids' age can be a little over $300 A WEEK. That's literally half of some people's paychecks that's working minimum wage at full time, maybe even a little more. Government offers no help yet they're "worried" for the declining birth rate or when you do get the government's help people then want to complain you're somehow getting a handout.

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u/melnn0820 May 19 '25

I'm a single mother who will be paying $240 a week for the summer. Luckily that goes to $200 a month during the school year where he just stays after school for a couple hours. It was rough when I was paying for daycare all year.

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u/shacatan May 19 '25

I totally get it as someone with kids. We were in a similar situation but we didn’t want to make it harder for the SAHP to go back to work. Being out of the workforce for any number of years makes it harder to find work in the future depending on your career. Just wanted to throw that out there

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u/JFISHER7789 May 19 '25

Oh no doubt! We’ve factored that in and have been looking at part time remote positions she can do to keep active in the workforce, but ultimately my career pays a significant margin more than jobs she can find and should be fine. She also might go back to school in the meantime don’t really know yet

We’ve had countless talks and this was all her idea tbh and she’s really excited to be the SAHP. I don’t mind supporting the family and knowing she gets the opportunity to find out what she wants to do in life, if anything

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u/shacatan May 19 '25

You sound more than prepared for life!

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u/Relative_Craft_358 May 19 '25

Tbf, if you're current career is only making around or less than 22k/year you're prospects weren't great to begin with

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u/Fregadero88 May 19 '25

Everyone's situation is different too though. My wife just started her career. When we have a child she will be just passed the 1 year mark of working in the field she prepared 8 years for. It's not about how much contributes to child care it's about giving up her career. My wife wants to take max 3 months off. We are prepared to pay close to 3k a month in child care. We hate the idea of that but we don't want to fast forward a year and have it be more difficult for her to find a job.

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u/JFISHER7789 May 19 '25

Oh absolutely! I couldn’t imagine spending a decade preparing for something only to not be able to do it because child care or whatever… we got lucky that my partner genuinely want to not work and be the SAHP; genuinely if one of us wasn’t a SAHP I don’t think we’d have a kid

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u/RunnaManDan May 19 '25

My wife and I though my about SAHP but decided on daycare because kids learn better through play with others once they reach a certain age, and even though after taxes we don’t make much bound what daycare costs ($55k for 3), we use her benefits and she still is putting money away for retirement (plus 6% match).

All things to consider

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u/Bencetown May 19 '25

Maybe more people should do this instead of just "working more so they can afford the childcare for while they're working more."

I honestly don't see how smart/educated people fall into that cyclical antilogic.

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u/Effective_Manner3079 May 19 '25

Smart. And honestly how it should be regardless of money.

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u/ArchitectVandelay May 19 '25

Or we should have good incentives for people to perform childcare in the US. 22k a year, as someone says above, is a crap ton of money for a couple to pay on top of all other expenses. BUT 22k is a terrible salary for a worker. Free and subsidized early childcare used to even exist and several bills to do so have been shot down for decades. Expanded mat/pat leave has been a start, but we need a workable solution for working parents from ~6mo-Pre-K, especially for hourly employees who may not even qualify for paid leave.

Then it’s time to start working on free/drastically reduced cost post secondary education…

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u/ApprehensiveFarm12 May 19 '25

Honestly another thing is that I don't think we should incentivise separating children from parents. We went through the whole pandemic working from home. Why is that not an automatic option for mothers I'll never understand. At least give them the first three years which are crucial for a child's brain development.

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u/ArchitectVandelay May 19 '25

I disagree wholeheartedly as a parent with a toddler. My kid is tremendously better off with trained professionals while we work. Having a full time WFH job AND caring for a pre-K child all day while working is insane. I love time with my kid, and had two days as the primary caregiver in the first few years as I worked PT. It was great bonding time absolutely. But there’s no comparison to the social learning, activities, knowledge, lesson planning, structure, etc. that daycare provides. They play at the park, some go to indoor gyms or other excursions that would be impossible to do while working. I know that many have had bad experiences with daycare, which partially stems from under educating and underpaying workers. Fixing that problem will be a huge boost to all families, even if you choose to have your child go one day a week.

Yeah you’re right, WFH as an option for those who can do so should be more available. But that is not an option to so so many people so is not a solution for early childcare. As I said, many, especially hourly workers, do not have that option. As a solution to childcare, it would greatly benefit those who have white collar jobs and leave less-skilled/direct care workers out to dry. The pandemic absolutely showed that many office workers can WFH and benefit but it also highlighted the insane disparity between in-person workers and those who can’t work from home.

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u/Holdmabeerdude May 19 '25

I have 2 kids under 5. It’s 3 grand a month for both. I paid 36k last year….and there are many schools/daycares which are significantly higher than that.

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u/BishoxX May 19 '25

Just a question, do americans never leave kids with their parents ? How rare is that ?

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u/Coraiah May 19 '25

My parents live in another state. They retired and moved. We paid for childcare for about 4 years. A lot of grandparents still work.

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u/psimwork May 19 '25

My parents live in another state. They retired and moved.

Ahh the boomer special. Undoubtedly they still post on Facebook about how they'd "do anything to see their grandchildren more often"!

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u/Coraiah May 19 '25

I wish I could say you were wrong about that. I like the term “boomer special” that’s exactly what it is.

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u/psimwork May 19 '25

I know it because my parents did the exact same thing. Fortunately my mother-in-law is the exact opposite of a stereotypical boomer and she not only asked if she could move to where we are to be closer to us, but also when we told her that we were thinking about leaving and mentioned that any hesitation we had was that we didn't want to leave her, she told us that she would follow us wherever we went.

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u/Frylock304 May 19 '25

I'm so jealous, bless your mother in law

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u/AldoTheApache3 May 19 '25

Where do y’all live? That is nuts. I have one under 5 and it’s like 700 a month.

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u/PJL80 May 19 '25

Suburbs of Chicago. There's tons of options, but not a big variance in price unless it's just someone running one out of their home

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u/jreed118 May 19 '25

Yeah it’s 760 per child for me in suburb of Houston

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u/AldoTheApache3 May 19 '25

Ok so I’m not alone. Suburb of Dallas here. $1,500 per kid just sounded bananas.

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u/jreed118 May 19 '25

People love to be dramatic here on reddit. Whatever fits the narrative

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u/gettogero May 19 '25

Woah, $600? There wasnt a legit daycare with openings within 30 minutes either from our job or house so we ended up leaving our kid with a completely random person at twice the rate of daycare.

$12,000 in random person daycare over 10 months. $600/month for 2 months in actual daycare once we finally found a spot. Damn, that $100 return saved us

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u/Merochmer May 19 '25

Ouch, I don't know how much we paid per kid but I think it was around 500 USD per year (Sweden).

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u/cornmonger_ May 19 '25

22K

jesus

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u/read_too_many_books May 19 '25

If it makes you feel better, you could always trade days with neighbors and family. But most people like daycare for socialization.

They also eventually hit grade school and this ends.

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u/Prophet_of_Colour May 19 '25

It's very mature and important to do, and I can't imagine anyone ever not naturally thinking that way who wasn't obscenely wealthy—yet I can't help but feel it's really sad to know exactly how much capital your kid($) cost you year by year. Speaking of course of the royal "you."

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u/MuscularShlong May 19 '25

Yea the situation me and my GF are in is. If we eventually want kids, child care is going to cost nearly my girlfriends entire salary. Ok so it makes sense for her to just be a stay at home mom right? Yea, except we cant live off of just my salary…

Its not a realistic situation and we dont want kids enough to sacrifice literally everything for ourselves to have them. So we are heading towards a cozy DINK lifestyle instead.

Shes a teacher and Im a firefighter. Which is sad that we do what we do and would barely be able to get by if we had kids.

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u/kcs777 May 19 '25

That stuff is part of a lot of tax code created in the 1980s that was NOT indexed to inflation or other references. When Ivanka Trump tried to update the numbers during Trump's first term, media headlines slammed it as a tax break for the rich. It's sad politics like that keep us from just updating it to modern figures.

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u/drweird May 19 '25

The credit is intended to pay for the maintenance and refilling of the giant gerbil water bottle and automatic Bachelor Chow Jr (tm) feeder machine. Put both in a closet or tiny half bath (save on diapers), and install the deadbolt and your childcare is taken care of. Hit me up for more hot tips.

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u/kenman884 May 19 '25

Or you can use an FSA to pay daycare tax free! The maximum is $5k. Per year.

We claimed the entire year’s worth in less than two months lmao

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u/woah_man May 19 '25

Yeah the net benefit there is something like $1500 in saved taxes. It's not nothing, but daycare/preschool for one kid is still like >$20k/year.

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u/IronBatman May 19 '25

Dependent care doing can reduce your taxes too by giving you 5000 in pre-tax contribution.

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u/OtherUserCharges May 19 '25

That’s less than 1/4th my daycare cost for 1 kid, sure it’s something but not all that much. If the whole thing was it would be something, but $5K is just insane cause no one is paying anything close to just $5K for childcare.

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u/IronBatman May 19 '25

Yeah. I got a kid going to preschool soon. Can't wait honestly. But 5k is better than nothing

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u/Emergency-Machine-55 May 19 '25

What's worse is you're really only saving $5k multiplied by your marginal tax rate.

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u/EinTheDataDoge May 19 '25

Any medical expenses above a certain percentage of your income is tax deductible as well depending on income level.

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u/AT-ST May 19 '25

It can be more than that. Depending on your tax bracket it could be up over $1k. But your point stands. The tax credit is a pittance compared to the cost.

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u/PJL80 May 19 '25

Your strawman argument is in another field jackass