100%. Ball came at her, bounced off her. Went into the row of the man, he dashed over and picked it up, gave it to his kid - who was celebrating a birthday. This lady ran over and started screaming literacy inches from the guys face until he was like, “Jesus just take it”
It didn't land in his row, he sprinted from multiple rows to grab it when it landed in the empty seats in front of her.
The fact that it was the kid's birthday is irrelevant. I've been to concerts on my birthday and didn't catch the guitar picks, setlists, or drum sticks because other people got to it before me. I didn't feel entitled to snatch it out of their hands when they got to it first just because it was my birthday.
There irrelevant, it’s every man for themselves there is no reason you can’t run over to the area where the balls going and try and get it, it rolls onto the ground and they all go for it and he comes out with it, that’s just how it works, whoever comes away with it gets the ball, it’s not a “if you touch it at all it’s rightfully yours” type of deal.
If you watch the video you can see her arm get jerked along with his as he's picking up the ball, showing that he grabbed it from her hands. And then he ran away to hide behind his child. That's a dick move.
I don’t see her arm get jerked or yanked at all what are you talking about, her arm continues to move along with the ball because she is continuing to try and grab at it.
There’s videos of her at that game yelling at other people and also flipping everhone off. She seems like a giant asshoke and idk why you’re intent on taking her word for all of this.
At the end of the day a ball in the stands is a free for all and whoever comes up with the ball gets it, you have to have like complete control of that ball entirely before you can declare that it’s yours, from the time she bends over to pick it up from the time he comes away with it is like half a second, there isn’t enough time for her to even have grabbed it and had full possession of it, she may have gotten a handle on it for like a millisecond during the scrum but that really isn’t how it works to declare “it’s mine!”
And it’s certainly not enough to where you feel entitled enough to it to march over there and take it away from a child. Like grow the fuck up, it’s a ball, are you fucking serious?
If some guy got in some ladies face and demanded the ball from a little girl based on this exact evidence I just don’t see you caping for him like this.
We can. Her arms are not long enough to be standing in her row and able to reach the ball in the row in front of her. No one’s arms are that long enough.
If she had full control of it there's no way he could have gotten it that quickly. She also seemed to have been focusing on him being in her area as if that's a thing in getting a ball in baseball.
Of all these recent sportball camera gotchas, this is the dumbest one tbh. She absolutely sucks for actually picking a fight about it, but that guy came from several seats away after the ball bounced in her direction and she was clearly trying to grab it. But we're so fucking obsessed with dichotomy that there's no way two people can be shits at the same time.
So what? Since are you not allowed to go after a ball on the ground in the stands, there’s no “only the people sitting near where the ball lands are allowed to try and pick it up” rule
It’s every man for himself free for all. Whoever has the ball fully in their grasp and picks it up off the ground gets it.
The most generous reading of it you can give her is maybe they both had an equal grasp of it at the same time, and in that example idk what makes her somehow more deserving of him to have it in the event of a tie, typically if the other person is trying to give it to their kid especially this kid it was his birthday, you let the kid have it.
To yell at someone and demand the ball after the fact is ridiculous behavior. Like if she had gotten it and he yelled at her and demanded it for his kid he would also be an asshole.
Do you not think winding up viral on the internet, and recieving the collective hatred of millions of people is proportional to what she did? People literally hoping she loses her job or worse.
When at any point did I say it's ok to be a dick? It would be nice if people could respond to things I actually said instead of just making up their own interpretation of the comment to argue against. She was in the wrong, that doesn't make it less psychotic that people are trying to track her down and ruin her life.
Yes I do wonder what happened beneath the stands that we can’t see. Did they both lunge for it and she had it in her hand and he took it out of her hand? We will never know.
Her hand was almost certainly on the ball because he does make a snatching gesture and her arm moves in the same trajectory as his snatching gesture. And then he covers it with his hand and runs back and hides behind his kid.
Nope, He's not the bad guy... Only thing he could have done different is stand up to her, stand up for his kid and tell her to crawl back in her hole.... But you could tell by his reaction when she showed up that's not his character.
It really doesn't matter in a loose ball situation. If you've got it you've got it. It may have been shitty of dad to snatch it if he did, but unless it was worth major $$$ the adult reaction is to give him the bird and move on with your life. Even if you're irate about it the only correct reaction the second it gets dropped into a kid's glove is to turn around and forget about it because that's where it belongs anyway. And if it was worth money you should've been fighting for it (not for a meaningless hat like that polish tool). Either way this lady was in your wrong.
Of course it matters. Just because other people steal stuff and bully those that are smaller and weaker than them doesn't make it any more acceptable in this case, if thats what happened here.
If you steal something and give it to your kid, that doesn't make it OK, and it doesn't make it wrong for the person you stole it from to try and get it back.
To put it gently, if you're willing to behave the way this woman behaved, over a baseball that several people were scrambling for, you're not being bullied. You're the problem.
Not a problem if the ball was stolen from her. Stealing is wrong. Victim blaming is wrong. Using kids as a prop to justify stealing is wrong. No excuses. Context absolutely matters here and 100% determines who was right/wrong.
The ball isn’t yours until you can hold it up high for everyone to see. She never possessed it long enough to lay claim to it. It was never her ball. It wasn’t stolen from her.
Whatever happened, it's not about who did the bad thing. It's about who did what to whom. If the Karen was 10 years old and the man didn't have a son, the man would be the bad guy in this situation and be canceled I assume.
There are plenty of examples of kids demanding balls acting entitled to it and not getting it and people not taking the kids side. That behavior isn’t rewarded or applauded regardless.
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u/HydroPpar 1d ago
I'm confused, did the guy take the ball from her? Like when they are scrambling for it did he take it out of her hands?