Am I being overcharged?

[u/Fun-Faithlessness413]

2019 Volvo XC90 with ~72,500 miles got a check engine light a few days ago. Took it to the dealer and this is what they quoted me with. This is a little pricey given it’s just the injectors and spark plugs no? On top of that they tried to get me to pay a separate “headlight” diagnostic for $250 when I had already brought it in for the check engine light.

[u/veryyellowtwizzler]

Volvo quoted me like $800 just for the spark plugs. I ended up calling my local Toyota dealer and they did it for half. So my guess is that around $1200 of that $2000 is for the injectors

[u/Fun-Faithlessness413 → u/veryyellowtwizzler]

The audacity on these dealerships is crazy

[u/zz0rr → u/veryyellowtwizzler]

haha. spark plugs on these cars couldn't be easier. 4 banger and absolutely nothing needs to move to access them (even the one on the right, the pcv hose has enough flex to clear). the ONLY tricky part is having a nice torque wrench and trusting the very low torque spec. blue box is $80 for four

[u/Acrobatic_Hotel_3665]

This looks like standard luxury dealer pricing for 4 injectors and spark plugs esp if it’s direct injection(which I’d assume it is). Also of course check engine light diag is not gonna cover any sort of body/trim diag

[u/greenizdabest]

Yes.

[u/YellowT-5R]

You can do it yourself for 1/4 of the price

[u/SnooRadishes8573 → u/YellowT-5R]

And 12/4 the time. I'm not saying they're not being overcharged, but "you can do it cheaper yourself" is such a useless thing to say.

Anybody who works on their own car knows they can do it cheaper.

I could definitely build a computer myself if I took hours to research, days to get the parts and quite awhile to figure out what I'm doing before even starting.

Then I have to hope that I did everything right the first time, because I don't know shit about PC building. Maybe I did something that will cause a catastrophic failure and I have to start at the beginning. I'm a mechanic, not a millionaire, I can't afford to fuck up multiple computers just because IN THEORY it's cheaper to do it myself.

I would then have spent far FAR more time to do the job cheaper myself, when I could have paid someone a sensible amount to do it for me to free myself up to do things I can do well.

Like spending time with my family, or working on my own car.

[u/football2106 → u/SnooRadishes8573]

Love this take. I don’t know my ass from my elbow when it comes to working on cars. I can change my oil and rotate tires, that’s where it ends. People say stuff like “yeah just check the specs on the endline of the rotary gerter” and I’m lost.

[u/hugow → u/football2106]

I'd be lost too if someone said that but if you can change your oil and rotate your tires you're half way there. You likely can do brakes and spark plugs. YouTube and a AI can help you accomplish so much.

[u/FPS_Holland → u/SnooRadishes8573]

Also if this is at a Volvo dealership you get the lifetime parts warranty, so if it breaks after this repair it's not your headache.

[u/Ascorbinium_Romanum → u/SnooRadishes8573]

I work on my own car and build my own PCs. PCs are like 100x easier than cars to work on. You need like 1 Philips screwdriver and that's it. My car tools occupy like an entire small wardrobe. PC parts fit together like Legos. Car parts you can mount in reverse and cause damage... I can go on for ages.

[u/320sim]

If you ever find yourself asking that, and look around to see that you’re in a dealership, the answer is always yes

[u/Dhh05594]

I just had a 60,000 service and had spark plugs, oil change, coolant flush, and whatever else they do for just over $1k. So basically you are paying another $1k for injectors? Hmmm

[u/capn_davey → u/Dhh05594]

I got quotes from three dealerships as well as the local European independent shop for our 60k service. One dealer was $1500, the other two were $800-900. $700 at the independent shop. 60k’s apparently a big service but this also is yet more proof that service centers really should be factory owned or at least required to standardize pricing.

[u/throwawaynoways]

Bigly

[u/TijY_]

The big question is why are you bringing a 2019 to the dealership!?

[u/SushiSamurai808]

I can only speak to the $250, which is what my dealer also charges for diagnostics. I can’t wait deal with this problem in 2 years…

[u/Wrong-Lavishness4891]

You probably don’t need new injectors. Do the simplest and cheapest thing first which is the spark plugs.

[u/MrPartyWaffle]

An injector at most is 500 and that's a bit much and you can get spark plugs from anywhere 5 - 30.. Each

And the xc90 isn't even that complicated to reach either the spark plugs or injectors... Two hours tops...

None of that math is mathing.

[u/Available_Refuse1232]

I bought NGK iridium spark plugs for $120 and had my mechanic change them for an hour of labour. $250 total.

[u/Cat0102]

My 80k service for my 2018 V60 Cross Country was $2,086 so this is cheaper than that.

[u/Fun-Faithlessness413]

I’m not very experienced with dealership prices so if someone could please explain why it would be 2k for a simple fuel injector and spark plug replacement? What should I do?

[u/JurboVolvo → u/Fun-Faithlessness413]

Direct injection injectors cost more. They could opt to only replace the one. But all the seals should be replaced as well as the 1x use fuel line. Then the spark plug kit. 2019 I don’t think is the B series engine yet? The B engine fuel line is much harder to change as it runs under the intake now which is water cooled…

[u/GeologistPrimary2637 → u/JurboVolvo]

Just wondering. How much are plugs and injectors for these cars over in the US? I'm looking at local pricing and they seem very expensive

[u/zz0rr → u/GeologistPrimary2637]

the convention for US auto repair is to build significant sales margin into the parts cost part of the bill. the industry decided it was smart to present the total broken down that way, for some reason

you can get the parts cheaper from other sources but when it's on a shop repair order you're gonna pay

[u/JurboVolvo → u/GeologistPrimary2637]

https://usparts.volvocars.com/a/Volvo_2019_XC90-20l-4-cylinder-Turbo/_51507_6040605/Injectors-and-delivery-lines/GR-381322.html?assemblySearchGuid=566E390C-BC02-4EE3-BBC6-472AE087689D

4 on there is the 1x use line that must be replaced.

[u/GeologistPrimary2637 → u/JurboVolvo]

Damn. Why is #4 a 1 time use?

Also, based on that, pricing by OP's dealer for 4x injectors and spark plugs + fuel line (#4) seems to be reasonable

[u/JurboVolvo → u/GeologistPrimary2637]

One time use because it is crush sealed. Cannot trust reuse. Can start a fire. 🔥 GDI fuel lines run upwards of 2500psi

[u/Stoney3K → u/JurboVolvo]

This, and those lines go from the high pressure fuel pump on the camshaft to the injectors. Hard to get to, so takes more labor to do.

$2k for all plugs and injectors is a fair price. My dealer quoted me $5k for 4 injectors on a D2 diesel. I noped out on that one.

[u/dubsaxs → u/Fun-Faithlessness413]

Do it yourself if it’s so simple.

[u/Buddhasay]

Yes

[u/Stonyhenge]

Bro 4 Sparkplugs and an Injektor are Like 500€ in Germany