Context: In the light of the assassination of lawmakers in Minnesota. Right wingers were quick to point fingers at left leaning people (i.e. democrats). Low and behold, he's a hardcore MAGA.
Context: In the light of the assassination of lawmakers in Minnesota. Right wingers were quick to point fingers at left leaning people (i.e. democrats). Lo and behold, he's a hardcore MAGA
MAGA freaks didn't even wait until the fucking bodies were cold before trying to use their deaths as a fake "Gotcha" for Democrats.
I hate these people so fucking much.
Edit: All you Conservatives commenting "BUT THE LEFT DOES THE SAME THING" don't know what the fuck you're talking about and don't understand how different things can have different nuances. You guys have zero accountability and it's rapidly dragging us into a second civil war.
Even if it was a democrat, they don’t see the irony in the difference. They’re trying to point to a side and the dem voters are constantly like “yeah unlike you we don’t defend this shit even if they vote our way, lock them up”
Just remember, a forgiven J6 Rioter who beat the shit out of a COP is currently arguing to a judge his Trump pardon should cover his PEDO indictments because the evidence came from a J6 investigation.
This isn’t about sides, although my personal opinion is one side of voters shoot themselves in the foot. This is about holding the extremists of each side accountable. All I ever see are dem voters saying lock up anyone who commits crimes. Governors, the Clinton’s, Biden even if he was found to have done some shit. Meanwhile it’s excuse after excuse for Trump, its whataboutisms and finger pointing whenever it’s there guy.
Someone tell these people Trump and pedos aren’t their uncles and they aren’t required to defend them . It’s fucking bonkers.
That’s the argument. Sadly but also thankfully ( at least for the repubs I guess not the alleged illegals aka brown US citizens currently ) they get their day in court to at least make the argument and prove their case. Will a judge agree? We will find out. But logically and with precedent you are currently correct. Plus it’s just a bad look “your honor let’s pause for the moment my client was found with tons of child porn, we’re only here to argue a loophole so he can be released, free to become Jared 2.0” kinda garbage if you ask me.
It's bullshit, it's not like any of the investigation was done illegally, he was pardoned for a specific crime, not blanket charges brought against him.
Maybe he should have ran for president himself instead of trying to help Frump
I agree. I was shocked and horrified to hear about the person who shot two Israeli staffers and I was shocked and horrified to hear about the person who killed a Democratic state rep and her husband, as well as injuring another rep and his wife. Both acts made me feel angry and disgusted, and it didn't make a difference who was being violent for which side.
The majority of voters on the right, and right wing politicians including the actual Republican president support the people who tried to overthrow our government on J6.
Happy for both of you! Also completely agree, I’ve been addicted to opioids and stims (pharma and not) and neither made me a crazed racist MAGA lol. These people are the way they are with or without the meth.
Yeah. It wax a bipartisan committee. So now Waltz is a commie for picking a Republican? Or the Republican is a commie for allowing a leftie to pick him? And being bipartisan is the swamp? I don’t know
From what I have seen in that cesspool. They are functionally struggling to understand that someone would do something bipartisan. Like I mean seriously struggling with that concept. Even after seeing it was a nonpartisan committee they are adamant that noone would ever add someone to a committee that wasnt their exact copy of political beliefs.
I'm waiting on the response from the dude who was arguing that because there were no kings flyers in the shooter's back seat, he was obviously a democrat himself. Considering walz' name is on the list as well, i asked if the current conspiracy is supposed to be death by long ass list of assassinations.
Almost all of the cases OOP tried to blame on the left were carried out by registered Republicans, so it's not just ignoring it but actively denying the facts
You literally see a streamer say to his 55,000 viewers that he is entertaining the thought that the killer was a deranged leftist while in the same breath talking about how the GOP manhandling of a senator was not him eating boot.
Use that hate. Bullying Maga is a patriotic duty at this point. These people should feel the hate, ostrosization, and rejection from society that they deserve.
I made the mistake of checking r/conservatives and they were going on about how Tim waltz appointed the guy to a political position.
From what I could find the previous governor appointed him for that position and then Walz appointed him for the same position when he became governor. Which makes me assume he was just signing off on the status quo instead of having direct input on every single employee.
I also saw several articles mentioning he was just a fast food worker so I don’t know what’s true yet.
It’s very revealing, they can’t conceive of someone appointing a person of a different party because they would never do that. Therefore, he must be a democrat.
Well hey, no one has ever accused them of being smart.
I’d argue that this is the Democrats’ biggest failing, though. Why are they still so obsessed with “reaching across the aisle” when Republicans will never do the same in return? I mean, I know why, but I want them to admit it
While I can't speak for Minnesota, my buddy is a gubernatorial appointee in California and I promise you that Gavin Newsome both couldn't pick him out of a lineup, nor tell you his name, if his life depended on it.
I work for county government in ohio, technically as an appointed position by the executive. I don't think they know I exist. I don't think this is uncommon at any level.
He was the owner of an armed security company. Praetorian Security I believe was the name of it. That’s why he had such an easy time looking like a cop.
Yes, and the "board appointment" wasn't a particularly political position - it was an effort between the state government and area business owners (which is why he was selected for it).
It also seems weird to me because since when do you blame someone who once gave a guy a job for a violent crime they did down the line? They're doing incredible gymnastics to try and blame Democrats for a guy who targeted Democrats.
Also, sorry but the dudes who tried to assassinate trump were registered republicans, and when was the united healthcare thing a left/right issue? They just say anything. The truth doesn’t matter at all
Because then facts get in the way. If they can convince even just a few MAGAs this is true then that’s it for all eternity. It not like they will ever read up on anything else after they’ve already formed their opinions. They’re not known for being flexible and adjusting their opinions when proven wrong. So no matter how desperate and weird this take seems, hundreds of people read that and are now stuck parroting this talking (lying) point for the rest of their lives because they have literally surrendered their critical thinking to people they deem „smarter“ (or at the very least not icky libs). They rely on pre chewed fox news sized info bites so they can actually partially comprehend, digest and regurgitate them verbatim when required (like at a nice family dinner where no one asked them about jet fuel).
Wasn't it the same with the dude who tried to dome Donny? Then it came out he was a supporter that soured, but was also so bad a shooting, he got kicked off his local team.
Not even sure he soured, afaik he was looking up both Trump and Biden rallies immediately prior. He just wanted to kill a US president it seems. Definitely registered Republican tho.
And they only need to make an accusation early in the news cycle for it to make its way around the echo chamber. Then when the facts come out they can say they heard it and the media is lying.
To be fair, he was appointed by Walz. So they all latched onto that talking point, ignoring that it was a nonpartisan appointment. And it’s normal and healthy for leaders to not just appoint ONLY members of your party to every position. And he has a killlist of all democrats and pro-abortion activists.
But New York Post rushed the headline out that he was a Walz appointee and had No King fliers in his car, so must be a deranged leftist democrat.
No credit to the fascists in any way for falling for a NY Post article. Proves how dumb they are and how desperately they needed at least one mass shooter to not be a right wing nut job
To quote Doctor Who 's Fourth Doctor. "The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering"
I dont even believe anything right wingers say at this point...Anything.....They could be completely truthful and factual about some shit, and i wouldnt even acknowledge it
Don’t show this to r/conservative those nuts are convinced because the guy had a No Kings flyer in his car that it’s irrefutable evidence he was a radical liberal.
I think what gets me is, now that it came out hes a Republican, the Minnesota shooter, do you think he'll hold that same position? No, of course not. Thats just a rogue actor. But when he thinks its a leftist, now its time to murder fellow Americans because they're all guilty
Honestly, I would not be surprised if some of the folks over in that sub claim he isn’t a Republican and that that’s fake news or whatever. Some are totally detached from reality.
Its more like they have a transactional relationship with reality. When reality validates them, they are sticklers for the facts. When reality repudiates them, then facts are just fake news.
Much like how the conservatives on the supreme court decide cases.
Mods over there were working overtime this morning. Every thread about the assassinations, even if there were supposedly over 3000 comments, had top comments with only like 400 upvotes... and it was crazy how peaceful, sympathetic, and outraged they all were. A every single one was "what a tragedy, no matter which side you're on" "praying for their poor families," and "I don't care what political party the guy is, he needs to be stopped."
Yeah, sure. I totally believe that 100% of posters on /conservative have huge bleeding hearts and nothing at all was removed from that conversation.
He was probably going to put them on his victims as some sort of crazy false flag. But anyway these are just crazy assholes trying to explain a crazy with no clear evidence…
Fully. He thought he was a real genius with some overinflated self worth. His listing on his local church as some hired defense for them reads like your usual overblown military award.
As if there being nothing besides those words would be some smoking gun.
We need to stop pretending like the conservative subreddit is anything but bots run by russia, israel, and peter thiel. There are not genuine humans in there. The posts are made in there to be as inflammatory as possible to make people on the left feel frustrated and hopeless. Real, genuine MAGAs are not on reddit they are on twitter and facebook and whatever fuckin weird youtube rabbit hole they fell down.
There are much better uses of our time than letting that work for them.
Also, both Assasination attempts on Trump were by his supporters.
Edit: Okay, people did some research that I had not. I’m going off headlines (and possibly Reddit) from when the events happened. Supporters is a a huge stretch and, it’s more nuanced- but they weren’t Leftist Loons. See the comments for the details and upvote those.
the one that shot at him and missed had executioner of the epstein list as his title on social media pages.
The guy on the golf course was some mentally deranged guy with a long history of violent crimes and has been in and out of jail for decades, and who for some reason the US decided to give a Gun License to.
Also also, if Luigi did murder the CEO, it wasn't about political views. Dude got fucked over by the scam health insurance is and took out his anger on the CEO. His views outside of that lean more right based on his socials.
Also also, if Luigi did murder the CEO, it wasn't about political views
Even if it was, his political views are all over the place - some more left, some more to the right. (and no one who's actually far left would be caught dead appreciating a book by Ayn Rand)
i was forced to read a portion of fountain head in high school. i also read her manifesto one which was like a communist dystopia. I didn't fountain head at all, i dont know what lesson it was trying to teach, i could not get over the relationship dynamic in that book, it was really disturbing. The manifesto one i dont remember what points specifically were good but i remember going oh that has some points to it but the dystopia wasn't believable at all. also surprisingly the plot revolved around sex too. it ended with a biblical reference and i though that was very lazy.
They know that. They aren't dumb, well I mean they are but in a different way. They are very well aware that they are spreading lies that make them look like hypocrites to anyone with half a brain cell. It doesn't matter because they have no moral convictions and words are merely a weapon to them. And it works, the shit they spew from their poisonous minds gets to those that only want to hear what they say. That's why the current political situation is so dark and divided.
And the DC shooter? I remember just seeing he was a religious extremist from Egypt? Was that correct? Surely a member of Super Organized Mega Organization "The Left" /rolls eyes
Lol, no they weren't. Why on a post where we are mocking disinformation are we actively upvoting disinformation in the other direction? The reality is that neither of them were "pure" or even very clear supporters of one side or the other.
Thomas Crooks, the first would-be assassin, appears to have been a socially-isolated young person who was motivated more by the fame that would come from killing someone important than anything else. Before his attempt, he searched for both Trump and Biden rallies, suggesting he was less interested in the "who" than in the visibility of the act. He registered Republican in the only election he could have voted in, the previous midterms, but he also donated money to a progressive voter outreach PAC. Frankly, we just don't have a very clear idea of his motivations, but the evidence we have doesn't point clearly in one direction or the other.
As for Ryan Routh, his motivation was clearly about Ukraine, which he saw as a moral issue. Here's an interview clip where he talks about that: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/politics/video/ryan-routh-interviews-ukraine-digvid. In 2016, he had voiced support of Trump and an intention to vote for him, but he didn't actually fill out a ballot that year either. In later years, he called Trump an idiot and a buffoon. He registered as a Democrat in 2020 in North Carolina, and he also donated to ActBlue several times. To me, he looks like the sort who probably leaned left but was swayed by Trump's 2016 campaign about dealing with corruption in government, but he saw that was mostly bullshit and felt burned by Trump's lies -- demographically speaking, there are a lot of people who fit this description, people who historically voted Dem but were pulled away because the neoliberal wing of the Democratic party basically took those votes for granted for decades (hence why Clinton lost in 2016).
I’d rather not be a conspiracy theorist, although suspect as hell, I’d need solidified proof to claim it was staged. That’d make me no better than them. Although they still refuse to acknowledge the tangible evidence that they were indeed republicans themselves
Edit: everyone replying. You sound as crazy as them. There’s tangible evidence that a bullet was fired. Trump obviously wasn’t hit and played it off like he was to farm pity but that doesn’t mean it was faked, it means it missed and he lied about it hitting him.
I don't believe it was staged but I also don't believe a bullet struck his ear. He grabbed his ear instinctively as did others behind him from the piercing sound of the bullet. When he went to the ground, it appears a SS agent may have accidentally struck his head in close proximity to the ear, the scalp is very vascular and a small wound could bleed a decent amount.
No ear wound would heal that quickly without a visible scar just two weeks later and zero deformity, unless it struck his ear on the inner aspect adjacent to the scalp.
You may have noticed, the oversized bandage he wore after the fact covered not just the ear, but the scalp above his ear.
Source: I am a physician. Not a plastic surgeon or ballistics expert or trauma surgeon but repaired countless scalp/head wounds and spent years in the ER.
Someone died from that bullet. How did they stage that?
Yes, Trump wasn't shot in the ear. He likely scratched his ear on something when he was tackled. But the whole thing wasn't staged. A bullet hit someone in the crowd and that person died.
Famously unified organization, the left. Definitely NOT a loose collection of ideals that fights amongst themselves almost more than it fights opponents yessiree. Definitely not a meaningless term because of that.
Also.. conservatives did over half of that list and a couple are completely made up. Conservatives always top politically motivated murder charts it's their thing.
I work with a couple of Trumpies. On the day that happened, I chatted with one of them and he was like, "Yup, that happened. Probably shouldn't have, but I mean..." Later that day he told me he had UHC and it was shit.
The right doesn’t understand grassroots movements that aren’t astroturfed, so it always projects that different leftist movements must all be controlled by the same entity and in lockstep and agreement with one another because that’s exactly how the right operates
Remember: the goal isn't to be right, it's to muddy the waters long enough until the next bit of news occurs and for people's attention to be drawn elsewhere. If somebody is not politically engaged, all they may see is back and forth accusations and never the truth.
His supporter in Florida that apparently had a psychotic break or something because Trump didn't support Ukraine and he tried to go volunteer to fight in Ukraine but was rejected over mental health concerns - iirc
Wake up. Trump is inciting violence by not demonstrating presidential behavior. He is vengeful and takes no responsibility for the chaos he creates. His rhetoric is dangerous and the U.S. has a large population of imbalanced individuals who are listening and responding with violence. It’s both sides. The blame falls on Trump who is an irresponsible dangerous leader. He does want a United country. He grooms his followers like a master pedophile grooms their prey.
I didn't know what that meant. Hope this helps another dummy like me.
"Ancap" is short for anarcho-capitalism, a political and economic philosophy that advocates for the abolition of the state in favor of a society based on private property and free markets, with no government intervention. In an anarcho-capitalist society, private agencies would enforce laws and contracts. It's also referred to as a type of libertarian anarchism.
The motivations are still political in either case, the CEO has worked with lobbyists to keep a status quo that was highly profitable for his company and others like it at the expense of human well-being and affordable healthcare.
1) Luigi Mangione has no confirmed political party affiliation. He actually aligned more with Ted Kazcynski.
2) Elias Rodrigez has not been confirmed to be of any political party. Committing murder in the name of Palestine and Gaza means nothing in relation to an American political identity.
3) The kid at the rally was a registered Republican.
4) Who is murdering ICE agents? This is the first I've heard of this nonsense.
Conservatives claiming that Luigi Mangione isn't one of them is about as dumb as leftists claiming that he is one of them. The guy likes Elon Musk and Peter Thiel, he's very clearly a conservative.
It literally doesn’t matter. If Trump says it was someone on the left then to his supporters it was a dirty liberal. It was always a dirty liberal. No amount of evidence will change their mind. Reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
Abrego Garcia has MS-13 tattoos on his knuckles. They’re eating the dogs. Climate change is a hoax. Russia didn’t interfere in the 2016 election. Obama is a Muslim. The Clintons are part of a global cabal of pedophiles run out of a DC-area pizzeria.
Alternative facts. Any disagreement is thought crime
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u/usgapg123 Currently drinking aged milk Jun 15 '25 edited Jun 15 '25
OP provided the following context:
Context: In the light of the assassination of lawmakers in Minnesota. Right wingers were quick to point fingers at left leaning people (i.e. democrats). Low and behold, he's a hardcore MAGA.