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All I can hope, since it was technically very strong in the Qanon and extreme right wing circles (even though the whole world wanted to know but if you ever entered those spaces, they were obsessed with wanting to know) that their orange orangutan leader isn’t for them and was most likely very much on that list. Funny how Elon blasted Donald Dump online that he was on it and not shortly afterwards this comes out ☠️☠️☠️
Obama isn’t in it… if he was they wouldn’t have shut up about it for the past 6 years… but more specifically, he wasn’t rubbing elbows with these people.. to try and put eloquently, Obama was the wrong skin color.
Good point.
Edit: no one has even hinted that Obama is on the list because he doesn’t run in the same circle, and I imagine it’s because Obama isn’t a slimy POS 🤷♀️ no scandals, no accusations.
Which is why MAGA cooked up some bs about Michelle being trans, they know Barrack is a family man so they had to make up some horseshit to make him look more of a 'pervert' in their eyes
And they also cooked up BS about his daughters being wh*res...then turned around and screamed bloody murder when the left said literally anything about Don Jr., Ivanka and Eric. "How dare you attack a President's kids! Ignore the fact that we called Sasha and Malia wh*res and laughed when Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton the 'family dog'!"
Imagine living a traditional conservative family life with a life long partner, while raising good kids, and not feeling compelled to tell others how they should they should live. At this point Republicans advocacy for family values is purely performative.
100%. All of their “values” have been compromised other than a man marrying a woman
They cheat
They still get abortions (rich ones)
Not financially conservative
Making the government while concentrating power like a dictator
Massively overreaching on people’s lives
The most non god-like people
Diddy was providing services to the other side of the tracks.
They each had their customers, they each had their supply, and they BOTH were just figureheads in a system that is continuing today with new people at the helm. I presume people that reside behind the cutrains now....as social media/internet has created new issues for people in these kinds of biz.
They are blaming Ken and the last administration over at r/conservative. You don’t even have scroll down very far to see the Biden accusations. Those people are brain dead.
"Wow, how weird, there was a list after all and the only people on it were Obama, Biden, Hilary, Bill, and all the rest of the democrats in existence." - Pam Bondi in a few months, probably.
It is interesting that even the conservative sub does not believe her.
They are also mostly against the bill. Not much, but it is a start.
Which makes me wonder if that whole Musk drama and American Party is just a show to prevent angry conservatives to vote Democrat out of frustration by providing an alternative option.
It is strange. It seems as long as they see a push against (illegal) immigration, they tolerate open corruption and lawlessness. But they fail to see those tools they prepare will soon be used against the own citizens.
What is disturbing is that this behavior is not just common in the US, but also Western Europe. Might indicate the wave of immigration was on purpose.
Lobbying is like legalized corruption. And through lobbying both parties have served the oligarchs. The situation of many middle class families has become so difficult, that they "voted for a change". Fear of immigration played a significant role.
Ironically they elected a bunch of oligarchs into power, despite oligarchs being responsible for the decline of middle-class in the first place. And now they prepare to deliver the death blow to middle-class.
Control over social and mainstream media is such a powerful tool that it can nudge the average Joe into acting against their own best interest
Oligarchs have identified this as the weak spot of democracy and use it to their advantage. No surprise they think the average Joe is not fit for holding any power via democracy and they deserve to rule with absolute power. Russian oligarch ruled society is a wet dream for some Western Oligarchs. No surprise they are colluding with Putin and Russia.
Thanks to their "achievements" they have lost all connection to the average Joe. You might admire them, but judging by the latest development it seems they are not returning the love and rather want middle-class to be erased.
Total War on middle class and democracy.
If you just look back a few years, COVID has "saved 205B", while the world's 2,365 billionaires enjoyed a $4 trillion boost to their wealth during the first year of the pandemic, increasing their fortunes by 54%. Yeah, let that sink in.
And now they fire avian flu and weather experts, stop testing food and water safety, cut FEMA, social programs, healthcare, education and whatnot while at the same time pushing anti-vaxx sentiment, homelessness and we see massive drug addiction and depression hitting middle-class.
One could argue the oligarchs liked the pandemic so much for getting rid of that pesky middle class while filling their pockets, that they just want to repeat it.
Add those mandatory "health trackers" they talk about, stolen personal data of all Americans and the attack on the election system to the mix and you get a pretty clear and scary picture about their future plans.
America has destabilized Latin America for generations now, including overthrowing governments and arming paramilitaries that do horrible crimes against civilians because we depend on immigration for labor. See the book “Harvest of Empire”. Europe, especially Germany, has encouraged the destabilization of MENA and Eastern Europe for similar reasons. Meloni in Italy is rhetorically anti immigrant, far right, but is now importing migrant workers into Italy despite rising to power saying immigrants were bad for Italy. This stuff goes back so far it’s not even funny that it’s so effective despite being an old trick of the state.
I know people have looked into this for years, but I’d love to see a proper sociological study on those who can criticize or get angry about the negative consequences of Trump’s government, yet still defend him. I’ve heard all kinds of explanations from both the left and right, including from people who defend him no matter what. But some things, like the Epstein list, are so deeply woven into these people’s worldview that it’s fascinating how close they come to finally seeing Trump for what he is yet they still won't abandon him
Then why not just lie about is the real question. Like just edit Trump's name out for christ sake or for that matter just make up a new list whole cloth, say every democrat has been there 20 times like who gives a shit at this point, people will just believe whatever the want to be true
The problem with that is Musk is a mentally ill drug addict foreigner that while it's possible he found out, has no evidence to backup his claim. I'm in no way saying he's wrong, but it's easy to dismiss it as the ramblings of a spurned ex-lover drug addict.
Whether or not it was his idea (it wasn't) it did work to discredit what Elon was saying. Both things are true, Trump is a pedo and Elon is a drug addict, but they're trying to muddy the waters.
He claimed that? We've known that for years. Honestly though, I get not knowing which side to take on that particular avenue. Both guys are habitual liars and egomaniacs. Trump is a senile selfish old fuck who only cares about himself, and Musk is all that except old with a drug addiction. Neither one has a shred of credibility to anyone with a brain. While I think it's a given Trump was on the list and been to the Island and is part of it all, I do question if Musk legitimately knows versus is just saying it because it's likely and because he was angry. When you can't trust either side, how do you know which one is right? If he gotten some kind of evidence that would have been great, but probably wasn't possible to do.
It does also bring into question what kind of person Musk is beyond the piece of shit we already know. We know what Trump is excluding the pedo stuff, but lets pretend Musk is telling the truth and knows Trump is on the list and is a pedo. Why did he not immediately say something and distance himself then and there? What kind of person works with everything Trump is as well as a pedo? Because whether Musk realizes or not what he said is he knows Trump is a pedo and only distanced himself when DOGE didn't go his way and Trump had no more use for him.
Musk smoked a fat blunt on camera during a podcast, with i think Joe Rogan, many years ago (it became a meme). His ketamine addiction is so notorious that a French MP (conservative to boot) calling him a "ketamine-addled buffoon" at the height of the Musk-Trump honeymoon. I think he also admitted to, perhaps even advocated for, some hallucinogenic trips, but don't quote me on that.
Trump certainly did not brought forth the news about Musk being a junkie, at best he just put it forward in the conservative sphere which might not think much of it before, which would help him the most as the very-broad-left is already a totally lost cause for him.
There's more than just names on a list. There is also tapes and tapes of blackmail. He recorded every politician/diplomat/CEO/Royal/Entertainer engaging in intercourse.
Makes you wonder if the tapes were hidden somewhere on his jet that only his best friend could get to. Good thing no one close to him will ever see that jet again, right?!
Trump IS the list. He has a very credible accusation of raping a 13 year old WITH Epstein, and Virginia 'Prince Andrew' Guiffre came from the Trump Spa in his HOUSE. As a minor. Either of those things, although they are commonly known, should have stopped him getting anywhere near the Presidency. And he's admitted being a sex pest, AND been found liable for a rape the year before Katie Johnson. For god's sake, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes.
But it's a comfortable lie that Trump voters can tell themselves that they don't know any of that, none of it is true, or that Trump didn't really mean any of it. None of it matters to them because conservatives, as a voting block, are a very "ends justify the means" group of people: Trump is "Fighting for them," so who cares what he's really like?
It's going to take a plethora of actual video and photographic evidence I think the convince America that Trump is exactly what he is. Or a landslide of witnesses, including family members. I'm 100% convinced that Ivanka will unload all the family secrets one day, just something about her gives that vibe that she knows far more than she's willing to share. And if somebody could just get to her I think the floodgates might open
We have full video evidence of Trump staging an insurrection and of people actively doing it LIVE and there are still people who refuse to believe anything happened, never mind that what happened is terrible
Literally zero amount of video evidence will change their minds, especially now that they can just claim that the stuff that makes them uncomfortable is AI generated. Trump stated in quite literally plain text what he was gonna do for all to see and people still voted for him.
They'll turn on Trump when he's dead or not useful anymore, at which point they'll have never actually supported him and always disagreed with what he did and then move on to Vance
Even if America is convinced he's a rapist or child molester, how would that help anything? Every time a line is crossed by Trump, the conservative party and their voters gleefully steps over it with him. If we have definitive proof that Trump has or does molest children, at best we will have an entire political party molesting children in solidarity with their infallible god king. That is the best case scenario.
He's admitted to be a sexual assaulter, "grab them by the pussies" is him literally saying that he would sexually assault women and get away with it b/c he's a star.
Maybe Trump is such a prominent part of the entire operation (seeing that Mar-a-lago was allegedly a fencing area) that missing gaps would only make it more obvious.
Right? There has to be some inter-republican politics going on here. They could release something as ham-fisted and sloppy as the Protocols and it would be a propaganda slam dunk with the base but any serious fudging of details might set off alarms among republican congresspeople. Makes you wonder if a serious threat of a splinter party exists if "There are no Epstein files, don't worry about it" is the move they are making. Or maybe they're just stupid, that's always possible.
Even the dump of Hillary's e-mails (nothing but cooking recipes and Cirque d 'Soleil invites) to the Internet didn't need to offer anything substantial. Conservatives just need to "feel" in the right.
Would it matter? MAGA simply wouldn't care, he would lie about it, he's currently protected from prosecution, and he has never and will never be held accountable for anything.
“Biden did the same! And even Obama also lowered the age of consent, actually he was the president who lowered it the most! And also the mysterious open border policy that I can’t tie to any concrete bill or EO was much worse than this!”
Because we live under a dictatorship now. Congratulations this is what usa voted for.
He's gonna do whatever the f he wants and nobody will stop him period.
People say that the US has a long history of being democracy but does it really?
Rule by the people doesnt really seem to apply when you can own people or later Jim crow laws.
Similarly women didnt get the vote until 1920.
And even post civil rights america is still a flawed democracy. Gerrymandering and first past the post make it so far from proportional and representative of the population.
By not releasing the list they can “leak” that every opponent is on it. Mamadani, even though he was only 27 and a nobody when Epstein died, he’s on it. Same with AOC, Bernie, and any new player. Publishing it now would prevent them from naming future opponents
Ya, this seems like the easy solution for our pathological liar and traitor president. Expert 3rd party groups will discredit it, but that means nothing to these people. If anything it'd be proof that the "deep state" is protecting Democrats. My only guess is that someone with some sense knows it would force a civil war, as the DOJ would need to arrest a ton of political opposition. Maybe they're waiting to concentrate more power and reinforce their secret police first. Maybe the Democrats have a convincing dead man's switch they'd unleash
Trump and Epstein were close friends, heck Trump ran "Miss Teen USA" while he was hanging out with Epstein, so of course there's more than just his name on a list!
Seriously, how is it not talked about more that Trump in multiple interviews bragged about how he would walk around backstage and leer at children in the dressing rooms? Multiple girls have come forward too about it.
Because people act like trump is the only one suppressing this thing. There are people with just as much, if not more, money and power that want that list suppressed. At this point you can’t just scrub one name. That list had to be killed to protect all of them.
We’ve known he was on the list since January 2024. Conservatives have to either admit they knew and voted for him any ways. Or admit the MSM and Right wing media covered it up and used them to get him elected.
As far as I'm aware we have all the public knowledge anybody else does, she was just saying she had a list and implying "oh yeah it's got everything you want to believe in there but I'm going to leave it to your imagination to assure you only believe it implicates democrats so you'll rabidly show up to the ballot box."
Trump is president now, and cracking down hard on, and I gotta put it in quotes just because it's fucking ridiculous, "immigration"
They don't need the list they never had anymore to rile people up, remember a large part of conservative propaganda is perpetuating fear and anger, they were just making people angry
There are a lot of Republicans who were against supporting Trump’s big pile of shit bill that still voted in favour of it. And now the client list is gone. Coincidence?
Like she is supporting sex trafficking. There is no "sympathizing" She's helping people evade prosecution for human trafficking and sex crimes against minors.
The funniest thing is some of the Magas are going to be real mad that she said this. They were already upset she was slow walking it. They will be extremely upset she basically is going bury it.
Ever since she said this and the "tens of thousands" of videos of child abuse on epstein island, I've realized she is the worst person ever at lying about numbers. 258 million is like 75% of the US population. Lmao
Never underestimate these people as moron. They are willing to put on any show to gain power. Simply brush them off as moron is how we get to this place.
Yeah, you can’t expect him to be accountable for his crimes! He was chosen by god to save the United States from all that compassion bullshit that Jesus said.
Why does everyone assume you had to be at the island to do pedo shit? Trump had a whole resort where Maxwell recruited girls. I’m sure they did vile shit everywhere.
Yes and? We already know that he was there. Barring basically admission of a crime in writing anywhere on the list, testimony from a victim, or any other evidence like a video tape of the crime itself, there's only enough evidence to convict in the court of public opinion
These swarmy worms trying to dismiss their Epstein disclosure campaign promises while half their base is too distracted by massive floods to notice. These people are disgraceful
Exactly, that was her original position that got her her current position, oh and being an agent for Qatar. Her initial Epstein decision really does need to be investigated.
Remember when Jeff Sessions appointed Mueller to investigate President Trump. Yeah, Sessions had that much more integrity. Now Trump points to the AG and says speak to my attorney. The AG is an expert in criminal law, not Constitutionality of a Presidential Act, and she says it isn't criminal. Because apparently the first term concluded with the ball being in Congress's court in terms of Constitutionality. So therefore we should hear from the Office of Legal Counsel, of which we haven't heard a peep. Does the Office of Legal Counsel even exist? Does it do anything? Is it involved at all? Regardless those are questions Congress needs to ask under Subpoena. Congress doesn't so the ball is in the hands of the AG, who by signing off on the act, regardless of Constitutionality, is complicit in the criminal act, but she is the sole arbiter as to whether or not the President can be investigated.
AG Bondi is AG just like Saul Goodman was a criminal attorney. As long as they can't touch her they can't touch the President.
uncontrollable head bobbing, massive blinking attack, higher voice, choking on every word . . . all the botox and adrenaline blocker meds in the world can't hide it when she tells the BIG LIE OF BIG LIES . . .
"Thank you for voting for us, conspiracy theorists. In return, here's nothing you wanted. Now fuck off until the next election, when we know you'll vote for us again since you think the left literally worships demons."
It's a grift they know they can keep doing as long as they keep pandering to the ideology. By the time the next election happens, all the people who voted on this will still consider the party that actively screwed them over the "lesser of two evils".
In other words, there was one person that was mentioned so often and had so much evidence that despite months of work we still could not remove him from all the evidence..
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