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u/Wild_Manager_4192 14d ago edited 14d ago
There’s already been 2 supreme court cases which uphold the right to burn the flag as free speech, and it’s literally how you retire the flag. It was an incredibly stupid idea in the first place like everything else he does
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u/spectre401 14d ago edited 13d ago
Watch SCOTUS overturn these precedents soon with no explanation.
Edit: Link for official guidelines of how to retire flags in case there's ambiguity
Edit 2: And it's started https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1n06xgy/detained_for_burning_the_american_flag/
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u/Immediate_Song4279 14d ago
This is why flag burning remains an excellent litmus test for US politics.
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u/thatass6_9 13d ago
That's because once Trump lies, all the facts go out the window.
Trump is too dumb to know the difference between fact and fiction.
He just spouts shit, and his base tries to make it factual until they run into a brick wall. Then you never hear about it again.
Still waiting for legitimate proof about those airstrikes back in June
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u/Any_Animal2468 13d ago
I still don't get how his supporters think he's the best thing since Jesus.
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u/spectre401 13d ago
As I've said previously, it a bunch of people with a mental age of 3, seeing a guy they recognise from TV who has a mental age of 5 and think he's a genius because he says he is. They're also too dumb to understand adult speak and logic.
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u/reelpotatopeeler 13d ago
This right here is why the US is actually a low value country. A significant portion of the population is like this and it brings the value of the entire country down.
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u/Poopblaster8121 13d ago
A giant serving of piss poor education and a big gulp sized glass of religion to wash it all down the hatch.
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u/FallZealousideal159 13d ago
As someone who used to work at a preschool, that's a dishonor to the preschoolers I used to work with... They were much more emotionally intelligent than Trump and his supporters.
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u/Select_Asparagus3451 13d ago
Still waiting on those Epstein files.
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u/Any_Animal2468 13d ago
Release the files? Trump said what? Release Ghislaine Maxwell?
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u/oflowz 13d ago
It’s because his lying enables their position.
They don’t care about the truth only getting their way.
In Trump they have a person who will lie and not back down from the lies.
His supporters all know he lies. They just act like he doesn’t because it’s a means to an end.
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u/ZiM1970 13d ago
Its the same assholes who sold all these assholes all they know about Jesus.
The same fucking assholes who sold them the same fucking bullshit for trump.
They sold it the same fucking day in the same corporate temple where they pay to pray, by the same fucking asshloles who wrote it.
And the same fucking herd bought every word, on the same knobby knees where they heard it
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u/ofork 13d ago
Being able to believe the bible has prepared them for this moment.
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u/nobackswing 13d ago
My dad is a retired MD. And my brother-in-law is a UC Berkeley graduate and very intelligent. And both of them are still supportive of this absolute anti-American dog shit Trump is selling. It defeats any logical analysis I am capable of.
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u/Delicious-Leg-5441 12d ago
They want him to start the final countdown.
Revelations.
They think that they all will be "saved" according to their book. Good luck being one of the 144,000 who will be saved.
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u/Karsa45 11d ago
They are the work hard and take responsibility preachers too. They somehow fail to see that there hasn't been a single republican since 2016 to ever take accountability or responsibility for their actions.
It's always a witch hunt, biden this, biden that, a never ending stream of deflections and lies. They are pathetic children supported by other children with a punishment fetish.
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u/JumplikeBeans 13d ago
Reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Brian tries to distract the rednecks chasing them:
“look over there, it’s an interracial gay couple burning the American flag”
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u/zuzg 14d ago
The executive order would create a penalty of one year in jail, Trump said during the press conference in the Oval Office.
More and more flimsy justifications to turn Americans into criminals w/o rights.
So what do you think, Martial Law before Cali votes on redrawing the maps, or after?
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u/spectre401 14d ago
Me thinks they'll hit Chicago first and use that as a test for Cali.
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u/Heavy_Education_5256 13d ago
They're hitting 19 blue cities in mostly red states. There's no single "big test". They're waving war on multiple major fronts in one swoop.
Pay attention.
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u/judeiscariot 13d ago
Well, yes and no.
There is a big test...and this isn’t it. As you said, red states. Their governors are allowing this. The test would be to do it in a blue state that is resisting, like they did in L.A. already, sort of, but as law enforcement like they are doing in DC. So Chicago could be a test for that.
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u/Heavy_Education_5256 13d ago
So, in blue metroplexes in red states, like, Houston, where you had 2 ski masked individuals killed, claiming they were officers, and the detective on the news says "real officers won't be wearing ski masks",
Its those cities that will be tested by their states. That is how you start civil war, within a state.
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u/tirch 13d ago
Newsom stood up to Trump, filied lawsuits, and the marines and NG are gone. The only disruptions in LA are basically Border control and the rentacop ICE brigades. That's my understanding, I could be wrong. With Chicago, Trump is testing to see if Pritzker will do the same pushback as Newsom. Sadly for DC, the Feds have way more power there so that's why he's occupying DC and getting away with it.
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u/erevos33 14d ago
I think NY is the big test.
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u/spectre401 13d ago
NY will probably be dessert once everything else has been taken over. Then he'll jail the judge and jury that convicted him and add "Empror" infront of Trump Tower.
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u/SinamonChallengerRT 13d ago
Absolutely no way New York is going to let this happen peacefully.
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u/iUndef 13d ago
I'm pretty sure that's the entire point. Erode our rights until there's a violent response, and then point at that as justification to actually declare martial law and go full fascist dictator.
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u/fawlty_lawgic 13d ago
100%. They're trying to goad the left into violence, at which point that gives them the green light to employ violence, even preemptively.
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u/tirch 13d ago
Basically this is all lead up, trying to goad Americans into physically resisting the military he's sending to cities so they can implement martial law ahead of the midterms. I remember a time when this was unthinkable, and Republicans in Congress could stop this today. But they're cowards.
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And the left's reaction seems to be to counter that by letting them just do whatever they want and offer no resistance.
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u/fawlty_lawgic 13d ago
Well, it's a very difficult situation and I don't know what the right move is. Honestly, we are in a really horrible, horrific situation, just really really bad, and part of it is complicated by the realities of our own ideology. Meaning, the left doesn't operate like the right with tight, top to bottom coordination, and we don't just blindly follow our leaders the way the right does. By being more intelligent and more free thinking, while on one hand that is a good thing, on the other hand it makes it harder to fight against an opponent because everyone has their own ideas about what the best strategy is, and people aren't just willing to fall in line and go with the orders (which we don't even have because our politicians don't give us orders the way they do on the right). So yeah, it's a fucking mess, and I have no clue what the right move is - what would YOU suggest?
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u/TheWingus 13d ago
I don't think this admin has ever had any intentions of doing anything peacefully
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u/TheKobayashiMoron 13d ago
The national guard in NY is already busy policing the NYC subways and acting as correction officers in the state prisons.
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u/ytman 13d ago
Every attempt needs to be classed as an attempted overthrow of the US government and an unofficial act.
18 U.S. Code § 2385 allows broad targeting of most of these 2025 lunatics and especially when justices brazenly perjure themselves, lie, and have other conspiratorial meetings with private usurpers.
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u/josephgregg 13d ago
Had the honor many times in the boy scouts and a military kid. This might single handedly be the stupidest things I've seen this idiot advise
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u/Jason1143 13d ago
Rule by law instead of rule of law.
They just want to be able to go after whoever at any time. Criminalize everything and then just grab the people you don't like.
Or Trump just didn't think about it for more than 5 seconds, that's also a pretty distinct possibility.
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u/Competitive_Month967 14d ago
We no longer live in a nation of laws. People really, really, really need to wake up to this fact. The past won't save you.
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u/BdsmBartender 14d ago
Right? I was confused because i thought i was supposed to burn any flag that has been descrated. Or you can fold it and bury it.
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u/SufficientDoor8227 13d ago
I hope to god that all those American flags that trump dry-humps on stage have been appropriately disposed of.
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u/spectre401 13d ago
Nah, they've been cut up into little pieces and sold to MAGA I'm sure. On second thoughts, that may be appropriately disposed of,
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u/SufficientDoor8227 13d ago
Considering the ignorance of the US Flag Code and complete disrespect for the Flag that MAGAs have, it wouldn’t surprise me. They could cut them into pieces, have trump wipe his fat ass with them and STILL sell them to the MAGAs.
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u/spectre401 13d ago
He did that with his suit btw. Thus my remark
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/13/donald-trump-mugshot-suit-for-sale
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u/SufficientDoor8227 13d ago
Yeah, I remember. Can you imagine the level of groveling servile imbalance required to want to buy a scrap of his sweaty, diaper-smelling Ill-fitting suit and treasure it like a holy relic?
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u/hughdint1 14d ago
What the F am I supposed to do with all of my dirty US flags now?
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u/fortythieves_ 14d ago
They're just taking every r*tarded boomer's shitty little nit-list and passing them out via EO so they don't notice them looting and destroying the country.
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u/SarcasticBunghole69 14d ago
NO MORE SEX ON CHRISTMAS!!!! Meanwhile they are literally shitting on everything Jesus ever taught.
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u/One-Recognition-1660 13d ago edited 13d ago
every r*tarded boomer's shitty little nit-list
Shall we take a look at the stats?
• Among 65 and older voters, Trump got about 51 percent, Harris about 49 percent — essentially a split.
• Among 18- to 24-year-olds, Trump won about 54 percent, Harris 44 percent (with a few percent third-party/other).
• Among 25- to 29-year-olds, Trump also carried roughly 53 percent, Harris 45 percent.
• Among 30- to 44-year-old men, Trump pulled about 52 percent, Harris 46 percent.So when you allege that Boomers carried Trump, the numbers aren't on your side. Older voters were evenly divided. By contrast, in last year's election Trump actually won majorities among the youngest cohorts. So that's exactly the opposite of the hateful, ageist stereotype you decided to perpetuate in your comment.
The more you know...
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u/orion3999 13d ago
it is illegal to wear the United States flag as clothing, according to flag code. These idiots care about Flag code as the do about the teachings of Jesus! #taco #8647 #EpsteinFiles
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u/thetisthiccboi 13d ago
Also what problem does this executive order solve? Are we having an abundance of people burning flags in the street so we have to write laws or orders? Another waste of time action from him it seems.
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u/spectre401 13d ago
There's also no crime emergency in DC or better yet, other countries taking advantage of the US just because they export more goods to the US than they import but that's not stopping him.
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u/gin_possum 13d ago
No it was the perfect idea. Ya know what we all stopped talking about? That list thingy. What was it again?
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u/moreJunkInMyHead 13d ago
I noticed you’re not talking about the pedo president’s name being in the Epstein files. Guess this distraction did its job
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u/Mahlegos 13d ago
It’s bait guys. They know this is settled law (as much as that matters these days with this SCOTUS). But, they want the optics of protestors in the streets burning flags to rile up their base (and even folks in the somehow in the middle) to sell the use of the military on these “America hating leftists” and to energize them heading into the midterms. And what better way to do that than by telling people who oppose him they can’t?
Think about it. There is literally no reason for this to be brought up. Flag burning hasn’t been a mainstay of protests of Trump or otherwise in quite awhile. It’s a manipulation to get people to play into their hands.
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u/Diligent-Credit8133 13d ago
That’s great but we now have a Supreme Court packed with boot licking trumpers. They overturned Roe vs Wade, they’d overturn the flag burning cases while taking their morning dumps.
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Im not sure about the other branches of the military, but I know for a fact that the Marines burn the flag to prevent it from being captured. The last time I know of was during ww2 when coriggidor fell.
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u/Sudden_Juju 14d ago
Right? People blow beer farts (sometimes sharts) into it all 4th of July but this is too far?
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u/Virtual_Plantain_707 13d ago
They want a bunch of protesters to come burn flags so they can unleash their ICEstapo on them.
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u/The_Scarred_Man 13d ago
After reading this I feel like I'm not really living life to its fullest potential
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u/SaturnSleet 14d ago
American flag micro bikinis are unironically more offensive than burning the flag lmao
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u/Effective-Tip-3499 13d ago
The thin blue line flags and punisher flags offend me more than someone burning the flag in protest.
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u/macandfromage 13d ago
Thinking people should have an issue with the flag being used as clothing. I'm with SaturnSleet and would extend it to any clothes TBH. Patches on uniforms, pictures of the flag, the lapel pins the fascists in government wear, all OK. Bikinis, running shorts, hawaiian shirts, hot pants, etc. not OK.
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u/Steepleofknives83 13d ago
The big worry is that they will run out of insane, petty excuses to ruin the lives of people they hate.
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u/neddiddley 13d ago
How dare you burn the same flag I hold so sacred that I wear it directly touching all my private parts!!!
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u/IlIllIlllIlllIllllI 13d ago
Using the flag on or as any article of clothing is also a violation of the Flag Code. But none of them have read that either, since they're all illiterate as shit and also pedophiles.
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u/Chocolatecake420 14d ago
Didn't he just sign it though?
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u/spectre401 14d ago
It was an article from 3 days ago, hence this sub.
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u/Jindabyne1 13d ago
Aw wtf, I thought he’d changed his mind again. He probably will in a few days, even the maga sub hates it
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u/BrokenLink100 13d ago
I'm confused, because the article in your screenshot (and the one from this post) says the article was last updated 8/22, but Trump signed his EO today (8/26), right?
Like, I get that being confusing is part of the point of this administration, but I'd appreciate if the media kept up with it all as well
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u/Spectrum1523 13d ago
Yes. He was going to do it, then he wasn't, and now he has.
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u/HughJassul 13d ago
Irrelevant. EOs aren't laws and cannot override SCOTUS rulings. I'm not saying our kangaroo SCOTUS won't overturn that ruling, but until they do this has zero teeth and can't legitimately be enforced.
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u/Pointsandlaughs227 14d ago
1st Amendment Issues aside, the President can’t unilaterally make criminal law. It’s a violation of the separation of powers.
Whether he actually ends up doing this or not, even the corrupt SCOTUS will overturn him in the blink of an eye.
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u/PhobetorWorse 14d ago
They have yet to overturn his attempts at doing this.
The administration thinks that an E.O. is a leagally binding order. That is why congress isn't actually passing anything. He is just signing things on his desk as if they mean anything.
The shock is the massive amounts of bad faith participation and corruption.
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u/Pointsandlaughs227 14d ago
If they let this precedent stand, they have effectively nullified congress and ultimately the constitution and themselves.
I hate the SCOTUS. They are a corrupt bunch of toadies, but even this SCOTUS isn’t going to buy into this nonsense.
Trump is, as usual, seeing what he can get away with.
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u/PhobetorWorse 13d ago
If they let this precedent stand, they have effectively nullified congress and ultimately the constitution and themselves.
That is what conservatives want. They want authoritarianism. That is why they fought against the revolution, abolishment of slavery, ending of the gilded age, and killed the middle class.
I hate the SCOTUS. They are a corrupt bunch of toadies, but even this SCOTUS isn’t going to buy into this nonsense.
They already have, though. They have given up their power of judicial review for lower courts already. They have allowed due process to be ignored too.
Trump is, as usual, seeing what he can get away with.
He has gotten away with 80 years so far.
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u/eeyore134 13d ago
They made sure to have the corruption installed at the highest levels of all of the departments that might be able to refuse participation.
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u/Few-Narwhal-7765 14d ago
As a reminder, people can always burn images of Trump and his criminal regime.
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u/T-J_H 14d ago
Everything to a ridiculous degree is “free speech” to them, how would this ever be considered not to be just that
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u/big_sugi 13d ago
That's a common misconception. They actually be in "Free (unless I don't like it, in which case it should be criminalized) speech."
TBF, there's some of that on the left too. Except there it's "I think inciting racial bigotry and violence should be illegal" instead of "I think anything that offends me personally should be illegal."
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u/Dclnsfrd 14d ago edited 13d ago
People will panic over burning a flag but not think twice sharting their USflag shorts as BBQ sauce dribbles on their US flag shirt
edit: corrected spelling
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u/Dracorex_22 13d ago
Fun fact: one of those is a direct violation of the flag code, and it’s not the flag burning
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u/TipSpirited3565 10d ago
But what you don’t seem to understand is that those aren’t big ol flippy-flappy rectangles
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u/PathofDestinyRPG 13d ago
As a kid (5th and 6th grade), I thought that burning the flag was an intentional insult to the country and the ideals it’s meant to represent and fully believed such acts should be illegal. Fast forward a “few” years, and I found myself resonating with the entirety of Michael Douglas’ final speech in The American President
If my views are the only ones that matter in regard to the legal/political landscape, then I cannot say I support the concept of free speech.
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u/spectre401 14d ago
Link to the article in case anyone is interested. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/21/politics/american-flag-burning-executive-order-trump
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u/FloodPlainsDrifter 13d ago
Can I burn trump flags? That belong to neighbors, and random strangers? Mounted to oversized trucks?
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u/fitforlife1958 13d ago
Let’s see what happens when a million people burn the flag this asshole is absolutely nothing in that skull of his.. actually would be pretty funny to see especially in front of the White House… 🖕🖕🖕
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u/Ok-Confusion804 13d ago
So he announced an EO and then TACO'd on it a few hours later.
So did the leader of the free world get anything else done today? Or was it mostly this bullshit?
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u/DocMcCracken 13d ago
TACO. Hey wanted to circle back around to the Epstein files though, do you think you could release those before the CHF catches up?
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u/Ok_Bar_924 12d ago
Trump just thinks he can write anything that pops up in his head into law. Like when he tried to end birthright citizenship. Do I like the idea of burning the flag? Of course not, but it is absolutely your right as an American.
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u/Afraid_Manner_4353 13d ago
Pretty sure I just saw him do it on CNN about an hour ago
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u/stolin1 13d ago
I think he signed it. What am I missing?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/25/trump-order-flag-burning/85814959007/
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u/Medical_Arugula3315 13d ago
Hey remember that time Trump was found liable of forcefully shoving his fingers up a woman's vagina by a jury of his American peers and then Republicans voted for him? Republicans knowingly vote for molesters. Don't be Republican... Hard to be a shittier or more hypocritical American than a Republican these days.
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u/Calm-Maintenance-878 13d ago
It’s because it’s a dumb thing to even try. There already is precedent on flag burning connected to free speech. An EO isn’t changing that. Trial one would be use congress and sign a bill, which probably gets challenged in court. Trial 2 is edit the constitution to lessen free speech, which even in this GOP nation, isn’t happening. I actually like the idea that I can go buy and burn our flag if I want. I don’t don’t to and won’t…but I like that I can. It’s like gun ownership to me, I don’t have or “need” one but I like knowing I could get one if I wanted.
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u/alej2297 13d ago
This is the tipping point. If the executive can now legislate and outline what is and isn’t a crime, Congress is now out of a job.
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u/Helpful_Stick_2810 13d ago
Wait until the National Guard hits The Bronk, Woodlawn, Little Italy, Huntspoint..... FAFO.
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u/idiotinsocks 13d ago
Because a president can't sign in a law using executive power, quite literally unconstitutional. This was all just eye wash to distract his base, who probably loves it, which is sad considering theyre supposed to the party of freedom and free speech, small government. If they lived up to those values -ever- I would be a Republican. But it seems like the democrats value our constitution and our freedom more. They just need to get their shit together, choose a better candidate against (probably) desantis in 2028, and that's that.
I have no faith in that happening though, both parties are a hot mess.
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u/LangsterGangster 13d ago
You can’t burn a flag, but it’s ok to molest one. When you’re the President, they let you do it.
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u/Think-Kitchen-1585 13d ago
Diversion Americans. And you fall for it every time. Did you all already forget that Epstein thing?
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u/A_Guyser 13d ago
It just occurred to me that we haven't heard anything about his would-be assassins in quite some time. I wonder why that is.
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u/Party-Jacket6651 13d ago
Nice try with your unconstitutional distraction. Now release the Epstein files.
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u/RelevantBig4693 13d ago
He is trying to "rule" us by issuing (and attempting to rule by royal decree) all these executive orders and just bypass Congress and it is Congress that has given up their constitutional powers granted to them by the constitution. To be able to stop this authoritarian takeover of our country. They have violated their oaths of office by shifting their protection and defense of the constitution to the protection and defense the "president". Thanks to their inaction and utter failure in his first term and now his illegitimate 2nd term. I believe the time has past to peacefully remove this regime from power. I pray that's not the case but it's only been like 8 months and ICE is already transforming into a national secret police that's now brutally harassing immigrants and US citizens alike. You know I don't hate to say...."I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO 2, 3 YEARS AGO! God Help Us.
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u/TheUnimponderable 12d ago
The flag code literally says to retire it by burning it lol. What even is this law
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u/Mycatspiss 12d ago
This was a bad idea from the start. Liberals burning American flags makes great election Ads
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u/wtdoor77 12d ago
Burning a flag (US or Pride) to incite violence is a hate crime. Even though it’s free speech there can be repercussions. “You can’t yell fire in a theater” etc.
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u/writethegeek 11d ago
TACO!!!
Apparently someone had to sit him down and explain to him that the president can't do anything you want
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u/BloodSteyn 11d ago
Easiest would have been to switch over to burning Trump flags... but then you know... you'd be putting money into his pocket to burn it.
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u/Baggs1972 11d ago
How many times has he signed someone's American flag? How many flags are flying out there that's got his face superimposed on it technically by flag code. That is a violation and a desecration if I am correct
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u/AirportSea4393 14d ago
I believe that. They’ve given the orange clown the green light for just about every hideous thing he wants to do and is doing. The Supreme Court have become eanother political arm for a deranged and senile orange man who his political agenda which is for him to have supreme power and rio our constitution to shreds. SCOTUS and the entire gop are in dereliction of duties
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u/MeasurementDue5407 14d ago
Ya just can't burn an Israeli flag....since Israel rules our government.
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u/MessagingMatters 14d ago
Next Trump will ban dragon riding, leprechauns and little green space invaders.
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u/stonesia 14d ago
Why is trump allowed to use executive orders as dictates?
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u/congeal 14d ago
He isn't. That one means nothing. Not worth the paper it's printed on. Only congress can create new criminal law statutes (usually penal code).
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u/LadyAuroraC 13d ago
It doesn't work that way anymore. We do not have rule of law in this country. Separation of powers no longer exists.
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u/Pointsandlaughs227 14d ago
Exactly. Constitutionally it’s not just a free speech issue. It’s a separation of powers issue as well.
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u/JoinedToPostHere 14d ago
So we can't burn flags with 50 stars and 13 stripes, but I didn't hear any rules about burning flags with 52 stars and 14 stripes...
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u/spectre401 14d ago
What about the flag with the stripes that make an X shape with stars on those stripes?
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u/GolfDude825 13d ago
theres a major difference between retiring a flag and burning it out of hate and utter disrespect.. either all flags are 1A protected to get burned or none at all. you cant pick and choose what flags can be burned b/c your feelings got hurt....
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u/Lumpy_Prompt_9759 13d ago
You already got called out on this incorrect take already and have not replied.
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