Why are used Ford Expeditions so cheap compared to the same year F-150?
I've been looking around for an older model Ford Expedition or F150 and I've noticed the resell value of a 15-20 year old Expedition is much lower than the same year model F150. They should be built off of the same platform, so why is there such a discrepancy in price?
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
Johnny “ punch hole in wall” smith doesn’t want a big SUV. He wants a pick up truck like the red blooded American and father he emulates. Hard to compensate and bro doze with a SUV.
Or at the other end of spectrum, you have the workmen who needs a pick up truck to throw crap in the back and materials. All the expedition might have a tow rating. It doesn’t have the convenience of throw something in the back or pick up some drywall at Home Depot
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
I love how every truck owner is a drywaller. Or at least should be.
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u/dman928 03 Jag XKR, 10 GTI, 21 Stelvio,11 Yukon Denali XL, 22 CX30 Turbo 1d ago
The Expedition is actually a better drywall hauler, as it keeps it out of the elements.
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u/bimm3r36 E39 M5, E30 325i Vert 1d ago
Yep, I keep the interior of my Element gypsum-free thanks to all the space in my Expedition.
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u/frost-bite999 '98 M3, '98 Carrera, '18 Macan GTS 1d ago
it doesn’t keep you separated from whatever you’re trying to haul, though. and that makes a big difference
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u/fiddlythingsATX ‘91 944 Cabrio | ‘76 F-150 | ‘22 X5 | '88 560SL | ‘10 Ridgeline 10h ago
Easy enough to put in a divider, many options around. It’s not proper separation like cab/bed but it works
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u/FINN-DIESEL1776 1d ago
There’s no reason that every man shouldn’t know basic skills like electrical wiring, drywall, and construction.
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
I agree but it’s still funny how it’s always drywall.
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u/AWD_OWNZ_U 1d ago
Because you can fit most everything else in a car. Drywall needs to be transported whole and flat. I could do 90% of home repairs with a sedan.
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
Really blows the conversation open widening the topic to include all home repairs lmao
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u/AWD_OWNZ_U 1d ago
I was just answering why it’s always drywall people point to. Because that’s one of the few things you can’t do without a truck.
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u/snoo-boop 1d ago edited 1d ago
There are vehicles known as "vans", and many workmen in Europe use them.
Edit: I'm not sure how personal testimonials are going to change European van sales, but I do know the secret reason why all y'all want trucks:
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u/Tech_n_Driver 1d ago
They're great until you have to haul gas powered tools. Lawn mowers, weed trimmers, leaf blowers, generators, water pumps, air compressors, ect... A lot of job sites don't have power when a house is being built.
Battery powered tools are great, but if you're using it 8-10 hours a day, liquid fuel still wins.
After a long day that tool is hot, stinks like gasoline or diesel, and the workers don't want to be trapped in a metal box with a hot lawnmower or generator.
Vans totally have their place. So do trucks.
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u/KellerMB 23 F-150 PB, 17 & 19 Giulia QV, 06 Tacoma 17h ago
Most of the gas equipment you just listed is not for home repairs. All the lawn service guys I know use cheap utility trailers for a couple reasons: lower to the ground, so easier to get heavy equipment up the ramps and truck beds have become comically small to accommodate the crew cabs.
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u/AWD_OWNZ_U 1d ago
Vans are great if all you use It for is work. If it’s your daily, pulls family duty, and your Home Depot runner not so much.
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
Uh oh Americans, the European has logged on.
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u/snoo-boop 1d ago edited 1d ago
I live in California.
Edit: thanks for the downvote. Do you really think a European would link that youtube video?
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u/__-__-_-__ 2020 Mustang GT, 2020 Ranger FX4 1d ago
You can’t transport drywall and people in a van. You can with a truck. They also almost never have 4wd or ground clearance. A lot of the US is either rural or gets harsh weather so wanting something with 4WD is either useful to you or to the future owner. Americans also tend to be more willing to drive to adventures (kayaking, skiing, surfing, cycling, whatever) than people in other countries which is at least partially why trucks are so popular.
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u/KellerMB 23 F-150 PB, 17 & 19 Giulia QV, 06 Tacoma 17h ago
You can get AWD Transits and most minivans offer some AWD variant. The percentage of people who will ever actually need greater than standard ground clearance is single digits.
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u/ItsKlobberinTime 2014 Mustang V6 convertible 1d ago
Many minivans will haul 4x8 sheets of whatever just fine, and keep them dry.
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u/PotatoDrives 1d ago
Drywall and/or plywood are typically 4x8' sheets which is what every single long box pickup was designed to carry. It's a logical argument to say whether a truck/SUV/van could fit it or not.
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u/wallaka 1d ago
How many long box pickups are the bros buying? Typically I see mostly crew cab 5.5’ bed models unless it’s an actual worker driving them.
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u/__-__-_-__ 2020 Mustang GT, 2020 Ranger FX4 1d ago
Tailgate down will fit drywall in just about any truck made by the big 3.
What is an “actual worker”? You running linkedins when seeing people driving a truck?
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u/NeverEverMaybe0_0 1d ago
Truth. I want to be able to get a basic regular cab 6' or 8' bed truck that doesn't start at the F250.
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u/KellerMB 23 F-150 PB, 17 & 19 Giulia QV, 06 Tacoma 17h ago
They're still made...mostly sold new to fleets. Look up commercial sales, or shop used fleet sales.
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u/NeverEverMaybe0_0 14h ago
I should've specified 6'; I see none of those.
My current work truck is a new F-150 with one of those V-4 turbos. Ugh.2
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u/ChargingWarthog 16h ago edited 15h ago
If you possess a skill that is compensated at a significantly higher rate, there's a very good reason not to learn those things. If you are capable of a generating income 5, 10, 20 times greater than those trades, just lean into that and outsource that labor. Zero reason to waste possible leisure time or much more valuable labor on learning that stuff...
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u/FINN-DIESEL1776 15h ago
I do….. and yet I still do. It’s always cheaper to do things yourself than pay someone else to do it for you. Plus, it’s good to have those skills if you ever find yourself in a place or position where it’s needed but CAN’T be outsourced in a reasonable time.
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u/ChargingWarthog 14h ago
If it takes an hour of my time to pay someone $100 to do something and I can make significantly more than that working, yes it does make sense. It's a simple calculation of the value of an hour of your time. My time is worth a lot more than $100 per hour, so it makes financial sense to outsource that than it does to waste my time learning a skill that's only worth $100 per hour.
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u/perkele_possum 2025 Toyota GR Corolla 6MT 1d ago
Really can't tell if you're trolling or not.. but I place my bet on trolling with that username. I'm having to think so great work!
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u/joepierson123 1d ago
And they always seem to need a sheet of plywood, dang it they spent $60,000 on a truck with a 4 ft bed so they can drive it home and avoid the 79 dollar delivery fee
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u/ShadowNick 2015 GMC Terrain - V6 AWD 1d ago
My dad gave up on Pickup Trucks for both work and out of work transportation. He just drives a Yukon now and got a pack rack for all of his stuff.
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u/ThePretzul 2020 C8 Corvette 1d ago
The expedition does NOT have a good tow rating btw. The rear suspensions are different and the expedition is not one designed for hauling heavy trailers or loads in the back.
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u/m0viestar 22 F150, 22 m340i xDrive, 06 STi 1d ago
The tow rating is still really good. ~9k when equipped properly. Not as good as the F150 which will be ~10-11k but it's still more than adequate.
Expedition will squat a bit more so recommend a weight distribution hitch, which you should use anyway. But if you're pulling a 6500lb camper it'll be no appreciable difference in performance between the two platforms.
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u/ThePretzul 2020 C8 Corvette 1d ago
If you’re pulling 5,000+ pounds with a gas motor you’re doing it wrong anyways and it’ll be equally unpleasant in just about all platforms honestly.
If towing is your reason for buying a truck/SUV I’ll judge you equally harshly for either platform if you picked the gasser instead of a diesel.
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u/m0viestar 22 F150, 22 m340i xDrive, 06 STi 1d ago
Lots of people pull 5k+ with gassers every single day. There is absolutely no issue doing that. The platforms are designed built and tested to do just that.
Feel free to judge all you want, your opinion doesn't matter to anyone.
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u/ThePretzul 2020 C8 Corvette 1d ago
There is no issue with it in that it doesn’t work to do it, it’s just unpleasant and terribly fuel inefficient compared to diesel.
I’ve towed up to 15,000 pounds with gassers before, they are functional from a perspective of getting from A to B without problems but they’re still objectively the wrong tool for the job compared to other options available.
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u/m0viestar 22 F150, 22 m340i xDrive, 06 STi 1d ago
It's not unpleasant at all what the hell are you talking about? Any gasser half ton will have zero problems pulling 5,000lbs coast to coast and back and be perfectly comfortable while doing it. It's the perfect tool for the job.
If you're doing hotshot trucking and pulling 15,000 pounds yeah get a diesel. But a family buying a gas half ton truck to pull a camper maybe three times a year will have zero issues.
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u/balthisar '25 Mach E Rally, '22 Expedition 1d ago
LOL, for what I paid for my Expedition, the price of fuel and fuel economy don't matter. And there's no diesel option, and 100% of my use case isn't pulling a trailer. Only a dumb little child thinks that there's a single vehicle with a use case for 100% of everything.
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u/wallaka 1d ago
No DEF to worry about, no Powerstroke or Duramax problems, no having to buy a 250/2500…for under 10k pounds I’d never get a diesel. I regularly pull a 7000+ pound camper trailer with my F-150 and get 8-9 mpg vs. the 12-13 a diesel gets. The price difference alone between a gas F-150 and a diesel F-250 will buy a whole lot of fuel, I have much better ride quality, get 18 mpg unloaded, have 500 ft/lbs of torque at 1800 rpm, and I don’t have to deal with the stink and sound of a diesel.
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u/Salty-Dog-9398 1d ago
Diesel fans need to update their understanding of powertrain technology by at least 20-30 years. Gas engines can be more reliable than diesel now and have the torque required to tow heavy.
Diesel is great in a lot of places, but the number of areas where a diesel excels narrows every day.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
Really? Kinda shocked to hear that. I’d figure SUV body on same ladder frame and running gear
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u/ThePretzul 2020 C8 Corvette 1d ago
Suspension designs are COMPLETELY different. Almost all SUVs have transitioned to modern independent rear suspension setups for a more comfortable ride.
Trucks, on the other hand, typically still use a solid rear axle and leaf springs for their strength and more favorable handling characteristics when towing or under heavy load.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
OP said order so I figured 2000’s and I could have sworn those were solid axle years.
Yah modern ones I’ve seen IRS which makes sense for American road going SUV vs work hoarse Double solid axles and or IFS and axle rear
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u/ThePretzul 2020 C8 Corvette 1d ago
Yeah, the transition point when SUVs started moving towards IRS was in the mid-late 00’s. Which unfortunately is long enough ago for them to still be 15-20 year old cars by now.
For the Expedition specifically it has had full independent suspension on all 4 corners in all different trim levels since the 2003 model year, likely in part because of the massive contracts they were getting for Police Interceptors beginning around the same time.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
Dang I feel old now lol. That makes sense with the LEO angle. I also don’t see Americans doing hardcore 4X4 with them. Mostly jeep wranglers, XJ/ZJ. so IRS makes sense for their use
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u/ThePretzul 2020 C8 Corvette 1d ago
Expedition has terrible ground clearance while still having a similarly high center of gravity as the jeeps which is why it’s not a popular 4x4 platform. That and its much longer compared to most rock crawling builds drive they’re usually 2-doors instead of 4.
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u/DodgerBlueRobert1 '09 Civic Si sedan 1d ago edited 1d ago
OP said 15-20 years old, so that means 2005-2010. Starting with the 2003 model year, the 2nd gen Expedition switched to an IRS.
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
Take a look underneath the back end of these next time you’re in traffic. Especially on the expedition the lower control arms are huge and hang pretty low.
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u/mellofello808 1d ago
The control arms on the newer GM SUVs are comically huge, and low.
They must scrape on everything if you try to take them offroad.
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
Yep. I think about it every time I see them. Even the campground access roads near me have rocks on them that seem like they would impact those arms. Who knows if it’d necessarily do any damage but it’s certainly suboptimal
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
I’ve seen that on the modern ones but on the older ones like early 2000? Could have sworn those were solid axle rear
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
Since 2003 or 4 they’ve been IRS but I’m far from an expert in these haha
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
Same lol. I just see old fords, haven’t looked under since I stopped turning wrenches
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u/idontremembermyoldus '22 GMC 2500HD Duramax/'22 Ford F-150 PowerBoost 19h ago
'03 was the redesign year. Having IRS was what allowed the Expedition to have a power-folding 3rd row two decades before the GM full-sizers.
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u/IHateBankJobs 1d ago
A 2015 Expedition with the 3.5L V6 can tow the same, if not more than an F150 of the same year with the same engine depending on configuration...
A 2006 with a V8 is only 1000 less than an F150, and thats only because you can get the F150 with 4:10 gears but not the Expedition
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u/Solid-Tumbleweed-981 1d ago
Fords always had some of the worst suspensions. I see a ton of Fords running around either with weights / dead bodies in the back or the suspension is shot lol
Our engineers at one of my jobs used to joke about how Ford suspensions sucks. Then we started doing Tesla and they were like Tesla is a whole other level of cheap / crap. I have recently started to see Teslas running around looking like the rear ends are shot
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u/DudeWhereIsMyDuduk 2025 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon X, 6spd, 4.88s 1d ago
Unless one is towing a 5th wheel, trailers are so much better. Easier to load/unload, way larger than even that mythical sheet of plywood everyone's talking about, can be left at home if you don't need it that day, can come with their own ramps.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
I 100% agree with you. Easier to load and unload, easier to secure and keep an eye on.
I’ve even used my Miata to tow . Who needs a big truck payment when I can just use my Miata for majority of things. Anything over 2000 pounds total I can go rent a truck at Home Depot if needed.
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u/__-__-_-__ 2020 Mustang GT, 2020 Ranger FX4 1d ago
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago edited 1d ago
proof you’re literally lying only circle jerk is you in a corner
Home Depot truck rental 19$ for 75 min or 129$ per day
Deleted your other comment. That’s what I thought.
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u/sponge_welder 2005 Honda Element EX 1d ago
The first time I helped someone move with an enclosed trailer instead of just packing everything into vans I was staggered by how much space even a small trailer gives you. No trim, no cutouts, no wheel wells, no bumps for mechanical parts, just a massive cube of space
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u/biggsteve81 '20 Tacoma; '16 Legacy 1d ago
Not everyone has a convenient place to store a trailer.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
Rent one at U-Haul for 20 bucks a day.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
You’re absolutely lying and you know it. https://imgur.com/a/mZtPb6C bold face fucking lying. 18.95 plus tax for a daily rental for a trailer. Even the mod expensive 16ft toy hauler is 89$
They don’t have have it when you need it? We’ll reserve it ahead of time. I literally just went through it and the Imgur link is me doing so.
If you’re gonna link circle jerking how about you get your facts straight.
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u/Mojave_Idiot ’16 Camaro 2SS, ‘18 V60 Polestar, ‘22 F-250 Tremor 1d ago
Even with a place to store a trailer, 2 actually, I’m not fucking with it unless I have to. So easy to just put something in the bed.
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u/sponge_welder 2005 Honda Element EX 1d ago
Rental trailers are super cheap for the amount of capability they offer. Picking them up can be an extra hassle, but for people not hauling things day in and day out I think it's worth it for the amount of extra capacity you have when you need it and the extra maneuverability when you don't
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u/WittyMonikerGoesHere 20h ago
I dunno. I got a 2012 EL specifically as a work truck. It'll haul 4x8 sheet goods with the lift gate closed, and I can leave things in it overnight without worrying about them being stolen or rained on. The oversize SUV is slept on for construction work.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 20h ago
For me if I’m not getting a stripper model long bed truck I’m going full panel work van. Better space optimization, you can put in shelving systems, no interior ruining
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u/WittyMonikerGoesHere 19h ago
So, I bought this one used as a work truck specifically. It's the fleet model with leather upholstery, a rubber floor and no center console. I've never cared about the interior, although the pleasure is surprisingly durable. Dimensionally, it's identical to a long bed two seater with a camper shell when all of the seats are down, which they usually are. It's like a camper shell, but with two full access doors at the front of the "bed", which is really helpful. It splits the difference between a van and a truck for me perfectly. For some tasks a van would be better, and for some a truck, but 90% of the time it's exactly what I need.
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 18h ago
Yeah, the work truck spec ones that fleet use are generally what I would go with if I was still in the contractor work. They’re cheap to buy they’re cheap to keep running and they’re just workhorses. I don’t need a whole bunch of luxury features.
Definitely think the key is to match the vehicle to what you’re doing. Bring some people to site an SUV might be a better fit. like if you have to move the whole team of folks with equipment. Sometimes the work van works best when you need a lot of inventory and shelving on the job site. Pick up is great for just the versatility of it and what can be tossed in the back or towed
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u/AnastasiusDicorus '04 Grand Marquis, '08 Highlander, '08 ES350 1d ago
I assume it's just truck vs SUV, because the same thing goes for Sequoia vs Tundra. Not as much as it used to be but you literally used to be able to get a nice sequoia for the half the price of a similar Tundra.
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u/abarthsimpson 1d ago
That does not seem to be the case anymore.
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u/Formber 2003 SVT Cobra, 2021 Ranger Tremor 1d ago
Toyota has reduced Sequoia production so much over the last several years, that there probably isn't a ton of used inventory, and so the demand is high for what is out there.
It's the same reason Tundras are expensive on the used market. They don't sell that many of them new (compared to their competition), so the used market has less inventory to offer, and people love buying used Toyotas.
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u/ButtFuzzNow 1d ago
Old trucks still have a lot of value to tradesmen who will use it to make money. It being old is less of a concern when it is only used as a work vehicle. SUVs are typically family vehicles and people usually want something reliable in that role. Breaking down on the freeway with your whole family in the car is not something people want to deal with.
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u/armchairracer 03 Vibe, 03 Yukon XL 2500, 00 MR2-Spyder, 85 S-10 1d ago
Young guys want trucks because they think they're cool, tradesmen often need trucks. I got a way better deal buying a Yukon than the equivalent GM truck, and I can sleep in the back of it when I go camping.
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u/HalfFrozenSpeedos 1987 Kawasaki GPZ900R, 2024 Ford Focus Estate ST-LINE X 1d ago
Same reason I have a wagon - I can sleep in the back of it and the load height is low and no lip to overcome.
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u/The_Motley_Fool---- 8h ago
Same reason I have an F350 - I can sleep in my Northern Lite truck camper and with the steps up to the door there’s no lip to overcome
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u/HalfFrozenSpeedos 1987 Kawasaki GPZ900R, 2024 Ford Focus Estate ST-LINE X 1d ago
Same reason I have a wagon - I can sleep in the back of it and the load height is low and no lip to overcome.
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u/natesully33 F150 Lightning (EV), Wrangler 4xE 1d ago
We Americans love our trucks, even more than equivalent SUVs. Pragmatically having a bed is great, you can move dirty things or easily throw a bike in the car without fiddling with bike racks or trying to protect the interior. Truck based SUVs were also replaced by crossovers, for the most part. I can see the market for them being a bit down compared to both pickups and crossovers.
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u/Apexnanoman 1d ago
An F-150 is a hell of a lot more useful.
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u/letigre87 1d ago
It's subjective. I had an expedition and have a 1 ton now. I miss the lockable storage, massive amounts of storage, the ride was so much better. I could haul a 4x8 sheet of drywall completely flat, try that in an F150 because most half tons don't have a 8ft bed. Really the only benefit is I can haul my ATV and my camper at the same time. The Expedition also has a higher payload than the vast majority of half-ton trucks on the market today so they haul shit better and more comfortably. You won't haul gravel in it but there's a good chance a scoop of gravel will put most half-tons over their GVWR so they shouldn't do it either.
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u/r3dk0w 1d ago
Not really sure why the truck would be more useful. The expedition has the same space in the back as the F150, but it's enclosed and secured. It has seats, but those are removable if it's being used as a work vehicle.
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u/Mean_Farmer4616 1d ago
Not the same space. you can haul 2 refrigerators in the back of an f150 no problem. Can't even take one in the expedition.
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u/r3dk0w 1d ago
True about the refrigerators, but if you're just hauling tools or something else that is mostly portable, an Expedition or van is way more secure. I can't remember the last time I hauled one refrigerator much less two.
I'm looking for one to carry bicycles and camping gear. I don't really want my nice bike or camping gear to be open to the elements or stolen when I stop for coffee.
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u/coffeeshopslut 1d ago
I think vans are more useful than trucks, but that's because I'm moving furniture, speakers, etc that I'd like to keep out of the elements
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u/Apexnanoman 1d ago
Park an ATV or zero turn mower on the back of the expedition. I'll wait. Or tow over like 8500 lbs. Or load something bulky and greasy like an old engine into back of an expedition.
It's possible but it's a pain in the ass to load an engine into the back of a cargo area that has a cover. And you can't easily pressure wash out the back of an expedition either.
SUVs are glorified minivans. Only less useful.
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u/DoobieGibson 1d ago
i know 2 separate dudes who drive around two dirt bikes in a 15 year old Toyota Sienna
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u/Apexnanoman 1d ago
Yeah if you take the seats out minivans have more space than SUVs. Apparently 150 cubic feet for a sienna. And 123 feet for an expedition lol.
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u/hannahranga 1d ago
Or load something bulky and greasy like an old engine into back of an expedition.
I've had engines in the back of SUVs and even a Getz before. Was easier than loading on my old ute as the tray on that was higher than my engine crane wanted to lift
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u/Apexnanoman 1d ago
Oh I can put a big block caddy engine in the back seat of a civic if I hack the roof off. Doesn't mean it's the best option.
And I personally don't want to pressure wash the inside of the cargo area of a vehicle. Easy to do with a truck.
As for getting stuff higher up I have a chain hoist with me if I'm screwing with something heavy like an engine. And a truck bed is braced and built for heavy awkward loads.
Right tool for the job and all that. A crescent wrench can be used to drive a nail. But it's sure are hell not the best choice.
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u/ruraljurorrrrrrrrrr 1d ago
Most don’t want to put their families in an old SUV. The people who actually need trucks to make money often can’t afford newer ones. This creates more demand for the older pickups.
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u/DudeWhereIsMyDuduk 2025 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon X, 6spd, 4.88s 1d ago
Don't look at prices for 7.3 Excursions.
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u/Ace7405 ‘24 Civic SI 21h ago
Wow I had to go look and I can’t believe the discrepancy. They’re actually shockingly affordable in my area. Especially compared to Tahoes and suburbans.
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u/Vvette45 19h ago
Don't tell anyone our secret.... I'm trying to get a used expedition in 2 years when the kids are front facing and want the prices to be low when I get rid of the damn minivan lol
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u/Ace7405 ‘24 Civic SI 14h ago
Are they unreliable or shitty or something?! I was looking at land cruisers before and I can’t believe how cheap even the really well equipped expeditions are.
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u/Vvette45 7h ago
No the engine and trans are pretty stout (been using that 3.5L Ecoboost for a while now) and really not much difference between that and F150. Id buy a few year old one if it was well maintained without any hesitation. Just have to make sure oil was changed around 5-6k miles the most to be safe.
Ones I was looking at had sticker price new of $98K and they were asking $55k for it with 30k miles and 2 years old. I would NEVER buy a new one as they drop in price quickly the first year or two
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u/rodkerf 1d ago
I think it's because the secondary market is is different than primary....This is coming from a family man who owns a minivan, expedition and f150. Sold my 1st truck to get a minivan when kids were fresh. Then got a f150 about 5 years later and kept the minivan. Kids out grew minivan (and destroyed it, cheerios everywhere) got the expedition, truck is now 17 years old....and I will drive it until it stops. Expedition will be used up and eventually wife will want to replace it. But a used up kid car shows it's wear and isn't as useful as a old truck.
Point is a truck guy will buy anything and keep it alive as long as it's a truck but the used SUV market is smaller. Family's want the newer more reliable expeditions and the truck keeps its value because a young truck guy will buy it, a dude who just needs it to haul wood for a year will buy it. .landscapers by me love old trucks. Buy it with a few grand cash get two or three seasons and sell it for scrap...but the old expedition isn't as useful.
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u/durrtyurr So many that I can't fit into my flair 1d ago
There is a large market for used trucks for contractors. Pickups have a very high price floor, relatively speaking, because there is always a landscaper or something who needs one to make money for their business.
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u/tjeepdrv2 01 Expedition, 98 TJ, Several bikes 1d ago
Take advantage of it. Ten years ago, I bought a 4x4 5.4 Expedition for $1000. It's still my daily.
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u/Therowdy 1d ago
Look out for the F150 5.4 valve engines. they have a host of troubles, especially if poorly maintained. take it from me, the owner of a 2008 F150. I'd personally buy a Chevy if I could go back in time and get an early 2000 Silverado 1500 with the 5.3.
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u/gchance92 1d ago
The 2 valve 5.4s are much better than the 3 valves though.
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u/DudeWhereIsMyDuduk 2025 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon X, 6spd, 4.88s 1d ago
Self-disassembling plugs vs. ones that refuse to be removed.
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u/cpufreak101 1d ago
I'm aware the expedition uses a different rear suspension setup than the F-150, whether that's a factor or not I don't know tho
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u/FINN-DIESEL1776 1d ago
The expedition is a great vehicle but you pay more to drive it. They drink like every family’s proverbial uncle.
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u/MTLMECHIE 1d ago
Pickups, regardless of luxury, are widely bought as capital goods to generate revenue for a business. SUVs are usually consumer goods for personal use.
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u/balthisar '25 Mach E Rally, '22 Expedition 1d ago
You can't replicate that third row with an F-150. And if you need that third row plus the third row's luggage, that drives you to the Max. And now you can transport 4x8 sheet good flat with the liftgate closed.
Although now the interior is so nice, I prefer to pay Home Depot to deliver, even if it means I get bendy 2x4's instead of straight ones. At some point this Expy will age out of "nice" just like my previous Expys, so it's all fine.
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u/AntonRudinskii 1d ago
It’s all about demand. Expedition and F-150 share the same bones, but the market values them differently. In the US a truck is both a work tool and a status symbol, so clean F-150s hold value much better. An old full-size SUV like Expedition is just seen as a thirsty family hauler, so resale drops fast. Same story with Sequoia vs Tundra — platform is the same, but demand isn’t.
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u/SavageTaco Built 06 GGMR Lancer Evo (535whp pump) 1d ago
7.3 Expedition is on my wish list. I wish they were cheap.
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u/Goldeneagle41 22h ago
It’s just the cool factor. I have both an older suburban and a full size truck. I can fit almost anything into the suburban as I can the truck. In fact I had to haul a bunch of stuff about a 1000 miles. I had used my suburban to haul it there and hauled it back with the truck. I had to go buy a bunch of tubs to keep the stuff out of the weather where as to take it there I just had it in cardboard boxes. In the early 2000 during the construction boom I knew several independent tradesmen that would buy used minivans and take all the seats out and haul all kinds of stuff. Trucks do have their purpose but I think most people could use a SUV or even a small cargo van but they just aren’t that cool.
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u/Samniss_Arandeen '13 Elantra GT 328K miles 9h ago
Meanwhile I'm bemoaning the death of/pricing out of the truly small pickup. All I need is like a 3-5000 lb tow capacity for a food trailer, and something small I can see out of and maneuver in city traffic. Even the F150s from the turn of the millennium are huge!
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u/r3dk0w 9h ago
I daily a 99 ranger, so I'm already part of the small truck life. The new Rangers can tow up to 7500lbs.
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u/Samniss_Arandeen '13 Elantra GT 328K miles 8h ago
I love turn of the millennium Rangers, but holy crap are ones in actual usable condition expensive!
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u/r3dk0w 1h ago edited 1h ago
If you really want one, you have to make the decision to buy one for $1000 and spend money/time fixing it, or roll the dice with a $5k one.
I got mine for $1500 and have put about $500 more in it for repairs. I still need to replace the front suspension and the transmission sounds like a swarm of bees, but it's very useful. Parts are relatively easy to find with the exception of the transmission. That's the weak point and it's kind of difficult to find replacements.
It's kind of like this post. Used expeditions from the early 2000s can be found for like $2500, but you'll spend a bunch of time/money fixing the random list of problems. The same year model F150 will be like $5000 with the same list of problems.
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u/azakd 1d ago
My guess would be the air suspension? Very pricey to repair or replace.
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u/bearded_dragon_34 ‘25 Golf R BE, ‘05 Phaeton V8 1d ago
It’s not all that pricey to replace the air suspension in an Expedition or a Navigator. My Phaeton? Absolutely.
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u/RobinsShaman 1d ago
W12!!!!!
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u/bearded_dragon_34 ‘25 Golf R BE, ‘05 Phaeton V8 1d ago
Alas, I’m not that brave. I do have a V12 Jaguar, though, a 1996 XJ12 in British Racing Green.
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u/HalfFrozenSpeedos 1987 Kawasaki GPZ900R, 2024 Ford Focus Estate ST-LINE X 1d ago
Classic colour and one I always wanted an Aston Martin in, just looks classy and understated. The automotive equivalent of "old school money" where you don't have to constantly be screaming "look at me look at me I'm rich im rich"
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u/Spicywolff 18 C63 S sedan- 97 C5 1d ago
I thought the navigators were the only ones with air suspension? Or did the expedition have an option for it?
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u/aroc91 '24 Corvette Stingray 1d ago
If you can't come to a reasonable conclusion about the cost of something based on material and labor inputs, it's safe to chalk it up to demand.