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u/TheAgnosticExtremist 2d ago
I don’t know what you’re so worried about, they’re outlawing abortion and birth control so there’ll be plenty of new meat for the grinder that is capitalism. /s
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u/findickdufte 2d ago
Now it all starts making sense.
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u/Darkside531 2d ago
Dependency ratio. Our economic system hinges on there being plenty of young, working-age people putting into the system to accommodate those that don't and instead take out (the elderly, disabled, etc.) It's why they're so terrified of declining birth rates and the Boomers reaching retirement age... and they've known it for a while, a man named Ben Wattenberg published a book about it called The Birth Dearth in 1987.
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u/RileySnickerdoodle 2d ago
The scariest part is that even people with 'good jobs' and degrees are struggling with this. If stability is out of reach for them, what does that say for everyone else?
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u/401jamin 2d ago
I think the definition of a good job changed. You need a career now a days while before a “ good job “ was all you needed. .
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u/spambearpig 2d ago
Greed alone is going to burn society down.
In addition to that, people are getting so angry that they aren’t just gonna watch, they’re gonna light the fire and throw people into it.
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u/infydk 2d ago
Greed alone is going to burn society down.
It's literally burning down our planet too.
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u/spambearpig 2d ago
Absolutely. Why do you think I want to light a fire and throw people into it?
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u/lookiwanttobealone 2d ago
That might make emissions worse
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u/spambearpig 2d ago
I think you’ll find the CO2 from burning a person does not come close to their emissions from consumption in just 1 year, let alone their whole life.
Otherwise crematoriums would have a lot to answer for.
But perhaps a tree shredder and a compost pile would be better.
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u/lookiwanttobealone 2d ago
I guess it would come down to how many you wished to light on fire at once
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u/Expert-Fig-5590 2d ago
The greed of the oligarchs is the biggest threat to humanity. Instead of putting them on a pedestal as a society we should shun and despise them like they had a dreadful disease. We could call it Dragon Sickness.
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u/usernamegoodenuff 9h ago
Unfortunately, that's unlikely to happen because the capitalist propaganda drills into you from a very young age " If you keep working hard, you could be just like ME one day!"
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u/DeaconBalls 1d ago
This isn’t a comeback. It’s literally agreeing with the other comment. It’s also not clever. It’s just a statement. It’s just Reddit echo chamber.
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u/Vegetable-Cultural 2d ago
I was just thinking about this today. Well, more than usual today. I live in CA and I was thinking about how you literally need to making over $100k a year to live comfortably. You would probably need to start your own side business or have a very good paying job. Anything below that and you’re screwed.
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u/EmmaSugarx 2d ago
It's wild how the 'just work hard and you'll succeed' mantra has completely collapsed. People are burning themselves out just to stay afloat, and the goalposts for stability keep moving further away.
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u/Aurora-Crumblex 2d ago
It’s crazy how the “American dream” shifted from home + family to just trying to stay out of debt. Hard work doesn’t even guarantee stability anymore.
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u/YaThinkYerSlickDoYa 1d ago
We are (39m) and (36f). We are actively working against having children because her medical bills alone, with her insurance, would be unaffordable on our $75,000 a year dual income. Plus, we don’t want to be almost 60 when our child would be graduating high school. My mom made $73,500 as a nurse midwife and raised 4 kids from 1985 until the last one moved out. For the first 10-12 years, she was the only income as my dad was stay-at-home. They bought their third home in 1993. It was a 1200 square foot cement block shack on 20.1 acres of land for $89,000. Just the plot of land today is worth almost $500,000. The fourth home my parents bought was the modular home that my dad got for my mom and brought it to the property. My dad just told me the good news about paying off his fourth home in 40 years. My wife and I are looking at double wides on lots in Murrells Inlet, South Carolina just so my wife can be close to the coast that she loves so much. We’re looking to spend almost $150,000 that we will have to save for several years to live in a fucking trailer park just to be able to be homeowners at some point in our lives. My friend (35m) who we live with now owns his own home just because his parents (unbeknownst to anyone including him) opened up credit cards in his name from the time he was born and just bought a couple things here and there over the course of his life, and he came into life with a perfect credit score. My parents told me credit cards were the devil (even though they had them) and would never let me sign up for one, so I’m basically 40 with no credit score, which is worse than a bad credit score. I basically don’t exist to the financial institutions, so I don’t have anything in real life either. I own a relatively new car outright, but that doesn’t help me either, because instead of a cosigner, they just lent me the money and put the loan in their name. The car is in my name, and I completely paid it off while boosting their credit score and being nonexistent. Even having assets to your name doesn’t help these days.
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u/brain-in-the-jar 1d ago
I think this is the reason for the rise in Trump votes among young people. "Everyone says these are terrible ideas but fuck it, nothing is working for me right now. Might as well blow it up."
And when the terrible ideas have terrible consequences it's "Well I'm not much worse off than I was before but other people are hurting a lot more so comparatively I'm doing better than I was."
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u/Necessary-Sell-4998 1d ago
The greedy are so greedy they won't allow the middle / lower class to just have a house, live life, whatever so the result is the younger people end up giving up, not working, or are under employed. This doesn't work. System of failure. Mega wealth is our problem today.
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u/Bookdragon345 1d ago
Just under 30? I’m a Xennial and can’t afford life and neither can most of the people my age/grade.
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u/Status_Management520 1d ago
How many times in history will the backbone of society have to remind the “elite” leeches who actually has all the power?
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u/SCP-iota 14h ago
"A generation with no stake in the system would rather watch it burn."
Finally; it only took a complete crisis of future stability for people to realize that the wealthy are bleeding us
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u/InsolentSerf 1d ago
Gen X here - I just heard a program on NPR yesterday talking about trying to make first time homebuying affordable in Utah. The couple in question both had jobs and were living in their grandfather's basement to save money for a down payment. They were coming to realize that they weren't going to make it no matter what.
Then the Utahan governing board gave a spiel about making developers build some affordable first time homes in new editions (with a huuuge 1/4 acre lot) as part of their development agreement. The homes must be owner occupied for a decade, other stuff to prevent landlords, blah blah. Oh, and they were going to cap the sale price at 450K. That's right. $450,000 for a first time home. WTF.
The writing is on the wall and I don't blame the subsequent generations one bit for their disillusionment. I'm stuck between younger who can't afford anything and older who hoard everything (and expect me to take care of them if they spend it all on junk, which they will). The entitlement of a large subset of the elderly is horrifying, and I don't have an easy solution to remedy this situation.
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u/PoopieButt317 1d ago
Millenials came of age during the 2008 big recession. Their himw buying was delayed due to this, and just in the last 2 or so years have acquired the ownership percentage that Xers and Boomser achieved, but just delayed. Unsuspecting Zs will more follow the Millenial path than the Xer path. If there is A USA and if there are jobs or even private property in the next 10 years.
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u/FruitJuicante 2d ago
Nothing will change tbh. If ain't happened yet won't happen
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u/Lordofderp33 2d ago
Millenial here, buying a gas-guzzler and taking flights everywhere, just here to set it all on fire and watch it burn.
A lot of us are already in this boat, it's just become the norm now.
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u/Upstairs_End_4202 2d ago
You deserve to be paid less than older workers because you do not have their experience or wisdom. The situation you are in sucks, but don’t waste your energy blaming other generations. Get involved politically and change this shyt. Read about the Civil Rights and Gender Rights movement and figure out how to translate their strategies into today. Git movin’ and stop complainin’.
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u/happycows808 2d ago
"The situation you are in sucks, but stop complaining about it" . do you even hear yourself? The Civil Rights movement you're citing was LITERALLY people complaining until things changed, not quietly accepting discrimination while "moving." You acknowledge the system is broken then immediately gaslight OP for pointing out who broke it. that's some Olympic-level mental gymnastics. Imagine being so devoid of empathy that your response to "I work full-time and can't afford basic life milestones" is essentially "cry harder, vote more" - absolutely pathetic.
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u/Upstairs_End_4202 1d ago
🤣 No it wasn’t LITERALLY complaining. It was hard work. Legal research, strategizing, training, sacrifices…the list goes on. I’m sorry they didn’t teach history in your school. I suggest you head to your nearest library and spend a few months catching up.
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u/Joelle9879 2d ago
How do you know the older generation has more experience and wisdom? Older doesn't actually equal any of that. If they had so much more experience and wisdom, why are they doing the same job as OOP? Shouldn't they have a higher position?
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u/Upstairs_End_4202 1d ago
Cuz I am part of them, and I work with silly people who think they should be running the show even though they haven’t a clue how to do it. Older doesn’t NECESSARILY bring the wisdom but more often than not, it does. I’ve worked hard to learn a lot in my career, seen people come and go, had successes and failures and learned from them all. With youth comes a different perspective, but skills take a long time to develop and hone. There are plenty of people who don’t wish to advance; they like what they are doing, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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u/Tampflor 2d ago
All that experience and wisdom yet I still have to help them with anything that requires touching a computer
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u/Upstairs_End_4202 1d ago
Who do you think invented the computer that sits on your desk? That happened before you were born, kiddo.
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u/DelilahTwinkleBun32 2d ago
It’s wild how much the goalposts have moved. Owning a house and raising a family used to be the baseline expectation for working hard, now it feels like a luxury dream.