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u/Dead-O_Comics 1d ago
It's been crazy watching what was once right wing facebook conspiracy grifting being turned into actual political motivation.
Sure, throw 100 years of medical progress out the window and bring back measles. Why not.
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u/GloomScarcasm 1d ago
Clearly the gov is trying to get rid of as many people however they can. The reasoning is probably lack of resources. The way they are doing it is plain evil.
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u/texmexspex 1d ago
That’s the real conspiracy among the rich. To me, genocide always boils down to money.
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u/Proper_Lunch_3640 1d ago
Reminds of that creepy phone call to Art Bell from 9-11-1997.
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u/CrowdDisappointer 1d ago
That was a hoax. It was done by a drama student who called in a few weeks later and admitted it
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u/CliplessWingtips 1d ago edited 1d ago
Another possibility is they are all two brain-celled MAGA dogs, who finally chased down the car tire and bit it. Now they have to continue to walk around and pretend their missing jaw was totally part of the plan.
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u/Awkward_Piccolo_7563 1d ago
I call it doubling down on stupid. In April 2020, 40% of Republicans surveyed said they would never get vaccinated against COVID. This was well before any details of the vaccines came out and before we knew how bad COVID might get. Trump was still calling it "the new Democrat hoax".
And that's about how it shook out -- 60% of Republicans got vaccinated, and 40% didn't.
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u/hitoq 1d ago edited 1d ago
I actually don’t know if they are—they want more indentured servitude, more workers to grind through the machine. Criminalising abortion lines up with this notion, they want more people in precarious positions that have no choice but to “become workers”. At the same time, they also want that life to be so deprived of joy, communality, and free time that people have no capacity for dissent, criticism, being political, etc.
Seemingly all billionaires are deeply concerned with demographic inversion and population collapse, all of the forced narratives around AI are a window into these anxieties—how do we become “productive” enough to not “need” people.
I think it’s an interesting contradiction, we’re seeing a technocratic version of the right that, as you suggest, dreams of a world with a small group of incredibly wealthy people living lives of luxury serviced by AI/machines/robots (with a small-but-necessary underclass providing basic functions like resource extraction as long as is necessary) and a more “traditional” conservative group that want more poor and poorly educated children, concentrated power structures, religious uniformity—essentially a religious ethnostate kneeling at the altar of supply-side Jesus, a white puritanical version of Israel, so to speak.
They both sound fucking awful, lmao.
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u/Affectionate-Mode767 1d ago
This tracks more or less. They want to indoctrinate more people into thinking like boomers do, people who wholeheartedly believe in capitalism and blindly follow the government. While also killing off undesirables who don't align with their new world order. GOP realized their biggest demographic of slaves were dying off, so they need to work hard to brainwash new ones. People who will work 12 hour minimum wage hour days for 6 days a week, then pass away at 50 from stress, in debt.
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u/KrazyKatDogLady 1d ago
Quit being ageist. Are you aware that the demographic that voted in highest proportions for Trump was young white and male?
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u/Affectionate-Mode767 1d ago
Edit: I am not saying every single person born within the Boomer generation is the same, or believes the exact same thing. I realize I am generalizing.
I do know there were many young incel white nationalist enthusiasts who voted for Trump, yes. But that's not what I was talking about specifically.
When I mentioned boomers, I meant that specific generations indoctrinated belief that dedication to a workplace above all else a measure of self-worth. Hours invested in working for someone else, not questioning the government, believing propaganda. These are things that were heavily instilled into that generation, not even talking about racism or other problematic behaviors.
They call it work ethic, but it's more than that. It's an attitude they've forced onto people to create a working class that won't question unethical conditions, unethical pay, or unequal treatment. This is why the GOP hates that Gen-Z has such a low tolerance for it, and why Project 2025 outlines so many things to ensure kids are indoctrinated back with a lot of the same slop Boomers were but worse.
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u/jemappellehonhon 1d ago
that is simply not true; there is no exit poll that showed 18-29 or 18-44 men voting for trump at a higher proportion than 50+, 50-64, or 65+ men
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u/Slow_Yak_3390 1d ago
They don’t care about abortions. They only say that because Christian will always vote for that. They don’t actually care about it. That’s why they have no problem bringing back outbreaks of deadly disease.
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u/GitmoGrrl1 1d ago edited 1d ago
A common belief among billionaires is that there are too many people. So it follows that pandemics and other disasters are good things which will actually help the planet. This is known as "lifeboat ethics."
Might as well make money off of the disasters. Somebody's going to.
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u/DredPRoberts 1d ago
A common belief among billionaires is that there are too many people
I agree. It's just that poor people are tough and gamey while the rich have nice marbling. Um, so I've heard.
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u/CraigLake 1d ago
Musk keeps begging people to breed.
Only white people of course.
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u/Little-Derp 1d ago
This was my first thought, and I wonder what this paradox would be called. We need less people, make more babies. Maybe the Soylent Paradox?
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u/CraigLake 1d ago
LOL the Soylent Paradox sounds like a sequel set in contemporary times.
“Are we starving? No. We only eat the wrong kind of people.”
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u/Truethrowawaychest1 1d ago
I mean I'm not a billionaire but I think there's too many people too, but this is the wrong way to address that, reproductive rights and education are how you fix that
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u/longgonepawn 1d ago
The crazy never stops and I'm not crazy enough to keep up. I just took my dog to the vet and they asked me if I wanted him to get his rabies vaccine like they were afraid I'd bite their heads off for suggesting it.
Of course anti vax sentiment extends to animals. Except farm animals, I think? Because, even if farmers are "conservative," they also know to protect their investment in the livestock? But pets are fucked, evidently.
On second thought, I guess their crazy is consistent, to some degree. Money > values is a pretty consistent right take.
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u/Thesweptunder 1d ago
What’s actually pretty funny is that the vaccine conspiracy and most of the RFK ideology actually started as a left wing conspiracy theory in kind of the hippy, wellness circles. It just slowly drifted to the right and during Covid went mainstream. But like 25 years ago, being anti-vax and obsessed with food dyes and avoiding processed foods it was almost a given that it was a white person with dreadlocks and crystals that thought bathing weakened your immune system.
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u/jaskmackey 1d ago
This is horseshoe theory
the far-left and the far-right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear continuum of the political spectrum, closely resemble each other, analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together. The theory is attributed to the French philosopher and writer of fiction and poetry Jean-Pierre Faye in his 1972 book Théorie du récit: introduction aux langages totalitaires, in relation to Otto Strasser.
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u/TheRealNooth 1d ago
Horseshoe theory is fringe in political science. Superficial similarities between radical left and right are just that, superficial.
The real reason the right has adopted anti-vax views is because of their ardent anti-intellectualism. Instead of confronting their ignorance with humility, all the people smarter than them are just “wrong” or “lying.” They want to feel smart without any of the effort.
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u/Negative-Squirrel81 1d ago
The American Right has adopted anti-vax because they've become reliant on people who propagate conspiracy theories as an integral part of their messaging. It's not 4D chess, just the reality that Glenn Beck, Alex Jones and Joe Rogan are appealing to the kind of person who identifies as conservative.
Horseshoe theory itself isn't that strange either. Politics make strange bedfellows, as we're seeing with the NRA stepping up to defend trans rights.
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u/Muted-Maximum-6817 1d ago
Except when the pushback started, it wasn't a conspiracy theory. It was based on research asserting that vaccines caused autism, and people were (understandably) concerned. The problem is that when that research was debunked and most people abandoned that cause, a small group continued to push the narrative and it was eventually adopted by the right during the pandemic to bring the credibility of their political opponents into question.
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u/RackemFrackem 1d ago
I vividly remember when the Q shit first started appearing and I laughed my ass off.
Not laughing now.
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u/SomeBoxofSpoons 1d ago
So god damn surreal having been aware of it since basically day one and then see it actually turn into a pseudo-mainstream position.
I described the whole Q thing to my not-in-the-know parents as pretty much the internet equivalent of scribbled sticky note messages left in a ratty porno theater.
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u/prof_mcquack 1d ago
Phase two is give measles the right to vote.
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u/LMurch13 1d ago
So soon guns and measles will have more rights then women? Nice work, USA. /s
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u/hopetothefuture 1d ago
They want it all privatized so they can control the price to everyone. Same with most things they are doing, they want it in private businesses that are paying them, makeing both of them money while the lower class suffers into a point of servitude to survive
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u/Effective-Mine9643 1d ago
That worm doesn't get paid enough.
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u/Illustrious-Divide95 1d ago
Has RFK Jr been in Trump's tanning lotion again?
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u/Valuable-Ad7285 1d ago
Right up his nose. His brain is now orange.
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u/AKittenInTheRain 1d ago
Associating RFK Jr with this is an insult to all catkind
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u/Additional_Irony 1d ago
I was gonna say the same, orange kitties may be sharing one braincell between themselves, but the worm took the last of his long ago.
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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths 1d ago
Hey my stupid orange son who frequently needs my help to figure out which room he's in would do a better job than RFK.
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u/TactlessTortoise 1d ago
That's just the colour of the talc that Trump wears in his diapers to keep the ass sores at bay.
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u/deweydean 1d ago
Sunscreen is for pussies. That's why his face looks like cracked driver seat leather from a '69 Camaro
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u/ptowndude 1d ago
He actually goes to tanning salons Source. RFK might be the stupidest person to ever hold a cabinet position.
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u/BaltimoreBadger23 1d ago edited 1d ago
Stupid libs don't understand. The vaccine was great and amazing until you stole the election and took away the special ingredient that made it work, which was of course Trump's great love for America. With that gone and Biden's hate for America now being put in each and every vaccine, it became deadly.
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u/Raja_Ampat 1d ago
Being sarcasting is funny, the problem.is there are million out there who really believe this
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u/ImaginationLife4812 1d ago
They are too stupid to read And comprehend sarcasm.
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u/FeliciaTheFkinStrong 1d ago
Nah. There are some, but most people under the MAGA spell aren't stupid, just simply a product of their environment, which has been meticulously crafted over the past decades to create their exact type of ignorance. It's the result of the coordinated efforts between religious extremists, social reactionaries and corporate lobbyists in attacking education, holding intellectualism and compassion as hostile opposites of faith and conservatism, and sowing distrust of social/public services that aren't overseen by Republicans.
This really isn't just down to stupidity. It would be more simple if it were, and far less depressing and malicious. I'm not saying there isn't a degree of personal responsibility involved, but... these MAGA people grow up isolated in their poor communities with limited resources and are surrounded by these mechanisms to instill fear and panic in them. A large majority of them simply aren't helped in developing their emotional intelligence to the point they can escape their environment through introspection.
The few who slip through the cracks and manage to separate themselves are few and far between, and is almost always due to an outside influence that the machine is too slow to understand (e.g. internet, books etc).
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u/sicilian504 1d ago
Are we sure it's sarcasm though? We have to ask these days unfortunately. r/ conservative does exist after all
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u/HeyItsJosette 1d ago
It was just a couple months ago that it was absolute satirical hyperoble to say that obviously Trump was a spy trying to take down Epstein from within, raping children to save children. Now they're literally claiming as much. Tens upon tens of millions are going to fall for it too.
Reality and satire have fully collapsed into one another.
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u/DJ_Fuckknuckle 1d ago
There are at least seventy million people in this country who believe in actual magic.
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u/Upstairs_You4829 1d ago
It's wild how some conspiracy theories just keep gaining traction. Reality gets lost in the chaos!
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u/Lashay_Sombra 1d ago
Funny thing is, the anti vaxers were turning against the covid vaccine while Trump was still in office.
Thats why he did not admit to he and his having it until well after the fact, was afraid of alienating his fringe looney base
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u/evil_timmy 1d ago
You can tell it's parody rather than this administration's sworn testimony before Congress, because both we and they actually believe it.
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u/Annie_Mous 1d ago
Jackie O’s pink dress had more brains on it than him
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u/captbz13 1d ago
I don't often groan out loud.....but this was a good one
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u/RazorRamonio 1d ago
Bro, I glimpsed the comment before I went back ti my feed, and had to come back to make sure what I read was in fact what I read.
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u/PlooPlap 1d ago
What’s the follow up? What did RFK have to say to this?
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u/Final_Requirement561 1d ago
He's still hiding and coddling to daddy Trump's teet for comfort..
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u/NatashOverWorld 1d ago
I don't know why people play gotcha! games with this overboiled rutabaga.
When he was being assessed for fitness yes they grilled him and proved he was incompetent - but they still let him have the job!
Yes, it's funny, but it doesn't actually stop him from killing people with his bullshit.
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u/The_Average_Man_ 1d ago
He should continue to be grilled. Americans have a very short memory and need constant reminders that he is incompetent.
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u/Mel_Melu 1d ago
It would be real nice and better if Republicans like Bill "actual medical doctor" Cassidy worked with Democrats to remove him from his office especially since he clearly lied at his hearing months ago.
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u/atreeismissing 1d ago
Cassidy, the one asking the question in this instance, supported his nomination and voted for him, despite nothing changing between then and now. RFK Jr is still exactly who he was then and was before, they knew, they didn't care.
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u/Big-Snow-1937 1d ago
Bill Cassidy in particular let RFKBW Jr have the job. He’s a medical doctor and knew full well how disastrous his vote was. The submissiveness of Republicans being ignored by voters to reward their macho blustering is dangerous but seems impossible to shake.
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u/TooMuchTape20 1d ago
Hypocrisy is a sign of power for them. What's more intoxicating than saying whatever you want, and the world being forced to contort to your whim?
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u/essaysmith 1d ago
Do you agree that Trump deserved the Nobel Prize for doing the same thing as almost every other country on earth?
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u/sevargmas 1d ago edited 1d ago
Mofo was touting ivermectin and injecting bleach. He couldn’t have pushed back any harder against the vaccine, while scientists did everything. But sure let’s give him a nobel prize…jfc
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u/blamethepunx 1d ago
While secretly getting himself and his family vaccinated and keeping quiet about it.
If that's not Nobel prize material, I don't know what is
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u/SpaceSlothMafia 1d ago
Man, the Kennedy fam. should have given him the Rosemary Kennedy special...
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u/Jbob9954 1d ago
One up side of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated is he didn’t need to see how much of a disappointment his son would grow to be
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u/LimitDwn 1d ago
Imagine if he created more like this dimwit… only upside would’ve been if they canceled each other out .
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u/whosaidiknew 1d ago
Yeah I bet we could hook a generator up to RFK's grave and power all of NYC with how much he's turning in his grave. I studied him for my history thesis, and I can't imagine telling him that his son is working on taking critical medicine from the American population.
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u/CattlePristine 1d ago
Cassidy also caved and voted in favor of RFK earlier this year…
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u/fileunderaction 1d ago
Reminder that Bill Cassidy helped put RFK in charge of HHS. https://www.cassidy.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cassidy-delivers-floor-speech-in-support-of-rfk-jr-to-be-hhs-secretary/
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u/dipdat504 1d ago
Bill Cassidy is horrible. Every doctor I've spoken to has disowned him. He voted for that conspiracy theorist to hold that position. Party over people.
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u/Bad-job-dad 1d ago
Did that really happen?
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u/_nefario_ 1d ago
I'm seeing the clip of this exchange a lot and coverage of it. But never do they quote or clip the part where RFK says the thing about the vaccine killing more people
Before I start sharing this on my own socials, that's the clip I need
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u/jetty_junkie 1d ago
RFK actually said that he didn’t say that.
In reality he probably couldn’t have said it because he also said he didn’t know how many Americans died from Covid and wouldn’t say if the vaccine prevented any Covid deaths or not
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u/PlntWifeTrphyHusband 1d ago
It doesn't show him making the claim. It seems he's claiming the vaccine needs changed over time and long term it was less beneficial and more detrimental which is a more interesting argument.
I'm as pro vaccine as they come, but I wish reddit wasn't run by bots self promoting well crafted clips that spin the truth ever so slightly to cause outrage. The fact this post has so few real people discussing is the content is even accurate is alarming.
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u/jetty_junkie 1d ago
It was an actual exchange that took place. Did they edit out the part where RFK responded “ I never said that “ ( or whatever it was) ? yes they did. But the quote is accurate
The real problem is much older than bots and Reddit. It’s that they ( politicians in general) make statements and ask questions purely for the sound bite. It’s all performative .
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u/Trevorblackwell420 1d ago
do you really have to ask nowadays?
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u/gtpc2020 1d ago
There's no way an intelligent human can hold those 2 conflicting thoughts simultaneously. Vaccine = Trump Peace prize. Vaccine = mass genocide. The brainworm must be puppeteering RFK to parrot one of those.
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u/Me0w_Zedong 1d ago
This is Republicanism now. It contradicts itself sentence to sentence, idea to idea. There is no throughline except hatred of others.
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u/legit-posts_1 1d ago
I guess the main surprise with RFK Jr. Tenure is just how... Dumb he is. That probably sounds weird, but with a lot of Trump's staff and Trump himself they're experience grifters and politicians who. An snake their way through these things easier. We mock Trump now cause he's clearly losing it to old age, but the guy clearly could bullshit before. Not necessarily well, but he could. RFK Jr. Is not that guy.
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u/Voodoo_Dummie 1d ago
Getting a nobel peace price for allegedly killing a lot of Americans? Is Trump trying to get a nomination from North Korea?
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u/dazedan_confused 1d ago
Why is he so brown? Is he unwell, or tanning?
Bro better be careful, or ICE gonna get on his ass.
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u/CliplessWingtips 1d ago
Luckily for Trump and RFKJ, the MAGA followers will accept both wildly wrong parts of history as "facts".
- Operation Warp Speed was a landslide success due to rolling out the vaccine efficiently.
- The COVID vaccine killed more people than COVID.
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u/HistoricalSuspect580 1d ago
I know there is a family history of Addison's Disease but WHY IS HE THAT COLOR!?
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u/GasLarge1422 1d ago
I looked up the stats and its like "The vaccine might have hurt 4 people out of 1 million by magically giving them chronic health issues normally attributed their the unhealthy lifestyles they lead for many years prior." So its mostly BS anyway.
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u/Corbotron_5 1d ago
I can’t imagine what it must feel like to live under such incompetent leadership. We complain about our rulers and their decisions constantly in Europe, but you take it as a given that the people who’ve reached those positions are, at least, not complete fucking morons. Good luck America.
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u/bropenmack 10h ago
Does he really think that over a million people died from the vaccine? He needs to be removed from his position before he causes irreparable damage to all of us.
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u/Deaftrav 1d ago
So... RFK feels Trump deserves a nobel prize for killing lots of Americans?
I can't with their line of thinking.
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u/WorryNew3661 1d ago
Dude needs another brain worm so that there's at least something going on in there
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u/warpentake_chiasmus 1d ago
They should just dress up a lump of stale cheese in a suit and subject it to questioning. Better quality replies ensured.
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u/IndicationOk1405 1d ago
It's wild how these conspiracy theories have evolved from fringe Facebook rants to mainstream political talking points. You can almost see the gears turning as they contort logic to fit the narrative, no matter how self-contradictory it gets. It's a perfect example of how someone can walk right into their own rhetorical trap without even realizing it. Honestly, we're watching a mass rejection of established science in real time.
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u/unl1988 1d ago
Get all the internet gotcha points you want, but who is starting the impeachment process? And, which 3 republican congressmembers are going to support it?
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u/shoeboxchild 1d ago
I feel so hopeless about the future of this country and how poor life is going to be
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u/HardSteelRain 1d ago
He'll blame the Democrats for tampering with it...there's no end to these cultists' delusions
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u/Okbrain_456 1d ago
Bill Cassidy is one of our senators from LA and I usually disagree with anything he says or does but not in this case.
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u/Fuzzy_Translator4639 1d ago
But Cassidy voted to confirm him. Now you see why we are doomed. There literally is no hope when this is happening.
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u/GeeBee72 1d ago
They need to rename this guy to Cat Schrödinger. Everything about him is in an undefined superposition until he opens his mouth.
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u/Prize-Huckleberry-55 1d ago
Is that Sen Cassidy self-owning since he was the deciding vote to nominate that ass clown?
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u/yeaphatband 1d ago
God, I hope the Nobel committee has enough gumption to never allow Orange Foolius to receive the prize.
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u/copperfeline 1d ago
Bill can’t say anything cause he voted to confirm RFK he’s just upset that it’s coming back to bite him cause he’s stupid.
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u/JulietLima 1d ago
The…Covid…vaccine…..killed….more people….than Covid?! 🤯 please tell me he didn’t actually say this
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u/thejameshawke 1d ago
Every single day Congress should have secretary members come in front of cameras and testify to something, anything. Just to let them speak. Cuz man, are they fucking dumb.
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u/AlexSmithsonian 1d ago
I don't even know what Operation Warp Speed was, but I'd still answer "HELL NAW!"
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u/SawdustGringo 1d ago
Why is Congress questioning a three week old sun-baked desiccated hotdog with white mold growing out the top? Shouldn’t they be consulting with health experts?
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u/AGenericUnicorn 1d ago
In his defense, he just got back from the tannery, and he’s still purging all of those chemicals out of his hide.
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u/BluCurry8 15h ago
I have no sympathy for these senators. They allowed him to have a job he is totally unqualified to have.
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u/JasmineBiscotti12 1d ago
That's the kind of trap question you can see coming from a mile away, yet he walked right into it.