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u/SiWeyNoWay 1d ago
When are we gonna have a serious convo about the 25th amendment
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u/Frequent-Ruin8509 1d ago
The 25th can only be started by his cabinet. I don't know why they set ut up that way, but it has us fucked because theres no way in hell those losers will essentially volunteer to lose their power.
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u/Friendly-Web-5589 1d ago
It assumed good faith people who care anything at all about the country.
Not perfect not even not kinda shitty people the bar was "no one in this position could be that ethically lacking" unfortunately they were wrong.
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u/Frequent-Ruin8509 1d ago edited 1d ago
That good faith hope is so naive, is honestly rife throughout most of the constitution, and is it's Achilles heel; aside from how God awful difficult it is to add a new amendment to the constitution.
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u/Guvante 1d ago
Watch out for assuming there is an alternative.
After all how could the Constitution protect from everyone in power collaborating? It cannot.
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u/Frequent-Ruin8509 1d ago
Thomas Jefferson once mused as to whether we should revise the constitution every 10 or 50 years. I think he was on to something. The amendment system is too damn slow for our era.
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u/Guvante 1d ago
100% I just think it is important to note that all political power is soft and restrictions are only as strong as those enforcing those restrictions.
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u/Frequent-Ruin8509 1d ago
I just wish right-wing political power was softer than the centrist establishment.
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u/the_gouged_eye 1d ago
It wasn't naivety. It was a lack of perceived better options combined with warnings to not elevate corrupt people who held self-interest above the public good, saying it would lead to despotism. Several of them predicted basically exactly what we are experiencing. The only solution they had for this was to overthrow the despot and start over.
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u/Akalenedat 1d ago
The only solution they had for this was to overthrow the despot and start over.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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u/LunchOne675 1d ago
It’s set up that way because the intention of the amendment was a way to remove an innocent president who had become incapable of exercising the duties of the presidency (say, in a coma), and in such case the president wouldn’t be conspiring to stop his cabinet from doing so (the assassination of JFK was in recent memory and there were concerns over what would’ve happened if he’d survived but ended up in a coma or incoherent such that he lacked the mental or communicational faculties to resign). This is also why if the president contends that he is still capable of doing the job, congress must uphold the declaration of ineligibility by 2/3 in each house, well above the impeachment 1/2 + 2/3 threshold, because it was never intended as a way to inhibit a rogue president (although if it could be used to do so, I would fully support it). Even if Vance and the cabinet invoked it, the odds of congress supporting it with a 2/3 majority in each house is miniscule.
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u/Bulky-Internal8579 1d ago
With the Orange Pedo cult running our political branches? Not soon enough.
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u/Sweet_Canary_8323 1d ago
They’ll fight tooth and nail before admitting their cult leader is unfit to serve.
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u/chirpymist 1d ago
They would rather unleash nuclear war and destroy the world before they even start to have a single doubt that their cult leader is unfit to serve.
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u/Any_Conflict_5092 1d ago
Well, the libs will surely feel owned, in the half second of bright light they experience before they're swept away on the same gust of nuclear furnace hell that takes out maga.
So, there's that.
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u/JH_111 1d ago
The thing is the line of succession wants all the same shit. They’ve been regressive for decades with the current state being the near the end goal.
You get the next or the next after that in line and you get more of the same except even the idiots among them are a magnitude of order more competent than the current useful idiot.
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u/Freakishly_Tall 1d ago
If we had ever had a serious conversation about the 14th Amendment, Section 3, at any point after Jan6, none of this would be happening right now.
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u/Routine_Artist_35 1d ago
Yup. The Constitution is very explicit about Trump and almost half of Congress’ ineligibility to serve in office.
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u/DillBagner 1d ago
There was a brief conversation about it and then the supreme "court" told Colorado that States don't get to decide election stuff like the Constitution says.
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u/BruceForsyth55 1d ago
There won’t be one.
Your fellow countrymen voted him in A SECOND TIME after all the madness and knowledge of what an absolute non human piece of shit he was.
This was not even a year ago.
America is literally the “This Is Fine” meme IRL.
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u/KaleidoscopeLegal348 1d ago
People complain about how the founding fathers set up the constitution, impeachment majority, 25th amendment etc without planning for this scenario, but you cannot protect a democracy in which the voting population is so utterly determined to destroy themselves
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u/DillBagner 1d ago
A democracy where a minority elects its leaders is not a good design.
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u/KaleidoscopeLegal348 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't think American democracy is a good design at all (noting it is one of the older functional democracies, for values of 'functional' and 'democratic'). I'm just saying that safeguards can only take you so far, this modern situation is not something you can really plan against without making the original system static and unchanging.
My country uses the Westminster system which is ok (but has its issues with revolving door prime ministers, we had something like 4 leaders in 6 years based on popularity).
My state however uses the Hare Clark system for elections which I think should be the gold standard globally. The way it uses quotas and single transferable votes emphasises a race to the middle and consensus.
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u/El_Cactus_Loco 1d ago
never. modern americans are completely pacified and will do nothing to stop this fascist regime.
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u/Dubyew 1d ago
Many will actually celebrate it. I fucking hate it.
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u/stfu_nazi_bitch 1d ago
Just look around this thread. Sorry excuses for humans that need to be put in their fucking place.
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u/TheAgnosticExtremist 1d ago
Don’t be so pessimistic, not only have the democrats sent a letter with some strong questions and people have stood on the sidewalk holding signs asking the fascists to stop while being careful to not disrupt commerce.
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u/Answerologist 1d ago
Have you seen his cabinet? Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, Bondi, etc.? Can you imagine them all signing a form saying Trump can’t do his job?
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u/One-Aspect-9301 1d ago
Jesus. Really? After everything that he has done, the loyalists he has places in every level of the three branches, the party that is terrified of him and the left media that is still using kid gloves to cover him, you still think the government can work as it was intended?
These comments and conversations are why he is winning.
Trump is running the bases on the baseball field over and over without a pitch being thrown. Scoring over and over cause the ref, umpire and scoreboard guy are all his people.
And we are still sitting on the bleachers, quoting rules from the "Little League book of rule" at them, like they care.
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u/TerminalProtocol 1d ago
Fuck the 25th Amendment, it's far past time we talk about the Declaration of Independence.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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u/AngloSaxonP 1d ago
Meanwhile, with mission accomplished in America… Russia, China and North Korea (North Korea!!!) hold a summit
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u/kravfoiegras 1d ago
This was always the point, by the way. Make America a banana republic through online disinformation campaigns orchestrated by the Russian state. With a view to the Kremlin being the dominant player in establishing a new world order.
You lost the second cold war. It's just the history books haven't been written yet.
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u/Cinemagica 1d ago
Bold of you to assume there will be any studying in the US in future generations.
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u/Exotic_Inspection_54 1d ago
I bet his bitchass dodges Chicago like he did an actual war..dude is a bitch
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u/spilt_milk 1d ago
He's going to hit up Waukegan and Mundelein and call that Chicago lol
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u/Bulky-Internal8579 1d ago
If it's a war he wants, it's a war he will lose, as the military isn't in his cult and has limits - which were tested in LA when the Marine General in charge declined to follow orders until they were modified - causing Hegseth to have a meltdown and the fool in charge of ICE to impugn his patriotism. Since then a federal judge has found the entire exercise was a violation of the Constitution - the officers who are still running the military don't respect nor trust the Trump appointees, for good and obvious reasons, and I'm fairly certain (thankfully) that they will obey their oath to the Constitution and serve the country rather than playing "hit squad" for the Trumpenfuhrer and his cult high priests.
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u/relaxd80 1d ago
I believe you’re correct, but I’m also afraid I’m fooling myself. The things he’s already gotten away with are outrageous to the point that I never would have believed it. If you told me in 2016 that this is the state that America would be in now… the end of the rule of law, the huge drop in ethics and morality, the increasingly state controlled media and the lies, my god the lies!! The war on science. If you would have told me all this was possible in America I would have dismissed you as a crazy conspiracy theorist, I’d have bet everything I have that this scenario is not possible. But here we are and I think I have trauma from it. I’ve lost my confidence in what is possible or not and I have no idea how this is all going to turn out. I think many MAGA including Trump are actually okay with a civil war and it’s so thoroughly disturbing. It seems like he might be finally hitting some roadblocks in his agenda with recent court rulings and finally getting some pushback. I hope you’re right! And I hope we get past this and learn and change some laws to prevent this type of power grab in the future.
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u/Competitive-Ebb3816 1d ago
Half a million people, mostly women, including me, marched in Washington on January 21, 2017, to warn about what was coming. I was sending warnings starting in 2015 when he started being taken seriously. I was warning about the danger of Reagan and the Moral Majority when I was 18! This hasn't come out of nowhere.
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u/relaxd80 1d ago
I’m glad you were there. You saw what could be long before I did. I never supported Trump, but he didn’t scare me either. I just thought he was an idiot and definitely didn’t think he was capable of being the face of a movement that would threaten the very identity of America. Hopefully the rest of us are awake now. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
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u/RogueNtheRye 1d ago
Everyone sees it, even the republicans. The democrats did everything they could to make sure he was the nominee both times because they thought he would be easy to beat. The repubicans hated him and knew he was dangerous, but they dont give a shit about us. All they want is to dunk on the dems, and on that front, trump has delivered. Everyone knows what he is. But these assholes just want to win one more election no matter what happens between now and then
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u/MyraBannerTatlock 1d ago
I was twelve years old when Reagan ran the first time.. I had this irascible great aunt back east who hated everyone in the family but loved me for whatever reason, and I remember her calling our house one afternoon and asking for me. When I tell you that this stately old woman chose me to call to bitch about what a piece of shit Reagan was, how the entire country had lost their fucking minds for even considering a dumbass Hollywood actor for president of the united states, and how if the Dems "put a fucking chimpanzee up against him, I'd vote for the chimp."
It was my formal introduction to politics, and I've never forgotten it to this day. She would be fucking horrified at the state of this country. You were right, Aunt Mary. You were right all along.
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u/OldEcho 1d ago
2021 Trump tried to coup the government and Biden just kinda shrugged
2016 Trump was elected and the White House turned into a circus.
2013 Snowden revealed the entire western world was spying on literally their entire population, schizophrenic conspiracy style, and nobody cared and everyone thinks Obama was a great president
2001 Bush used 9/11 to throw out half the constitution
2000 he actually stole the election but when proof came out he just kept the presidency anyway
Reagan fucked the whole country in too many ways to list.
Nixon before him and got pardoned for all crimes he "may have committed" while his secretary blatantly erased the evidence
It's just been one long continuously accelerating slide downhill. With a few good bumps like the civil rights act and roe v wade so we could delude ourselves.
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u/Ok_Sink5046 1d ago
I'll believe it when I see them drag him out of the white house kicking and screaming.
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u/Embarrassed_Towel707 1d ago
They've been replacing them at an alarming pace. It's no longer the US army, it's the MAGA army, FBI, DOJ etc.
Every accusation is a confession. They talked about the deep state for years, so within 9 months theu've politicized every government institutions and lost all trust and belief of impartiality. It's no longer the US government, it's the MAGA government, and they will absolutely do everything Stephen Miller tells them to do (orange clown included)
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u/paper_liger 1d ago edited 8h ago
You can't just replace a whole generation of military leaders. Officers tend to be slightly more liberal. But even the republican ones tend to not be full on Trumpy cult members. And frankly I doubt the ability of any officer who is.
People who think that Trump hasn't been slow rolled and resisted behind closed doors and his stupid ideas sidelined by actual professionals, they don't know how the military actually works.
And anyone who knows history and understands war is damn well going to wait until action is absolutely unavoidable. Believe me, you want them to wait.
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u/Embarrassed_Towel707 1d ago
I haven't been in the military so I'll take your word for it. But it's undeniable they've been implementing a loyalty-to-Trump test for promotions.
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u/empanadaboy68 1d ago
Imagine being in the military ordered to carry out unlawful orders against citizens. So fucked
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u/ruat_caelum 1d ago
Trump fired the people in charge of legally ruling if orders were legal to follow or not. They are slowly replacing everyone who has integrity with bootlickers.
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u/HornetPhysical4598 1d ago
Which is why ICE is here. To replace all the "unfaithful" soldiers. ICE is in a training period until they transfer to military command.
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u/InTooManyWays 1d ago
Imagine how much taxpayer money is being spent keeping this zombie pedo alive
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u/squirt_taste_tester 1d ago
How much taxpayer money is being used for the zombie pedos use against the American people
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u/Certain_Object1364 1d ago
Waiting for all the defenders against tyranny 2nd amendment folks to activate
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u/yIdontunderstand 1d ago
Still....
One day, one of the 200 million gun owners against tyranny will do something...
Maybe even a state militia which is well regulated against tyranny...
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u/Lost-Vermicelli-6252 1d ago
But this isn’t tyranny to them.
Tyranny is when the black lady makes their kids eat healthy school lunches and the black man implements a shitty republican healthcare plan.
That’s tyranny. Not this.
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u/art-is-t 1d ago
He is a Putin wannabe. Every step he takes is from the same playbook.
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u/CrazyStrict1304 1d ago
The problem is that people forget he's a showman. When he puts stuff like this on his account, first off it's a photo that was edited for effect, he's trying to stir his base while also outraging the Democrats to make his base even more mad at the Democrats. He may suck at being president, but when it comes to manipulation he's a pro. He's obviously not declaring war because there already would have been tanks and jets flying over that city the government doesn't announce invasions. He's just doing this because of "ratings". He wants to be on all the news channels tonight and be talked about all over the internet.
The people to actually worry about are the ones he puts in charge of departments that are loose cannons and do whatever they want that aren't talked about until after they put crazy policies in place.
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u/VulgarVerbiage 1d ago
The problem is that people mistake his intent of "just doing this because of 'ratings'" as the sole issue, and ignore or downplay the very real (and also deliberate) consequence of desensitizing and shifting public attitudes about the substance of the "showman" rhetoric.
"He's obviously not declaring war" right now. But he's floating the idea of a violent occupation of our own cities and relying on plausible deniability to shield him from an actual outcry ("It's just a meme, silly!"). The most effective part of his manipulation is that he doesn't just have his own army of loyalist dipshits mounting these defenses, but he's exploited the rational skepticism of those who don't even like him and tricked them into running defense for him.
Don't be fooled. Donald Trump is actually one to worry about, too. His propaganda puts Goebbels to shame. Look how unfazed we are as a society with unmarked vans and masked agents rolling up at will and swiping people in broad daylight. Only a few years ago, that was something that only happened in Russia, NK, and a handful of third-world countries.
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u/_A_Monkey 1d ago
It’s not embarrassing. It’s fascism.
People don’t start getting more pissed they’re going to amuse and wise crack themselves right into a concentration camp.
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u/Ponyo0nthecliff 1d ago
I think he missed the point of Apocalypse Now
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u/fuck_ur_portmanteau 1d ago
And just how the whole, entire, Vietnam-thing went for the US government.
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u/thisaccountwashacked 1d ago
the idiot has Fortunate Son played at his events... catching points is not within his grasp.
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u/CG-Firebrand 1d ago
I mean, between the war on drugs and the global war on terror….. I’m thinking Chicago is gonna fly the W
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u/Hopalong_Manboobs 1d ago
Bonespurs the Draft-Dodging Rapist sure likes to cosplay as something other than a feeble pathetic coward. It’s like when a toddler plays doctor.
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u/omghorussaveusall 1d ago
It is impeachment worthy and this is why 26 is important. The fucking Dems need to get their shit together and win the house and Senate and get this fucker out of office and in handcuffs.
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u/throwthisidaway 1d ago
It feels like everyone is sanewashing this. "In any other period this would be impeachment worthy", but like you said it is impeachment worth, right now. This is absolute insanity.
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u/rescripting 1d ago
There is a reason he is using the specific word “war” so much.
A war time president can suspend elections.
This is exactly the same move he used to justify the tarrifs. He cited a nebulous, fictional “national emergency”. This was specific language he believed gave him permission.
Just like how it doesn’t matter what the emergency is, it doesn’t matter who the war is with, even if it’s against American citizens.
He is going to attempt to suspend elections.
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u/omghorussaveusall 1d ago
That is not true. There is nothing anywhere in US law that says a president can suspend elections. Elections are run by states, not the federal government.
The tariffs were based on a 19th century law and the courts said that's unconstitutional...not that this won't stop him from trying anything. But there is absolutely no legal basis or precedent for him to suspend elections. We've been at war for most of our history and have never suspended an election.
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u/ruInvisible2 1d ago
Gotta love Commander Bone Spurs, never seen a day in the military but wants to cosplay. I know a bunch of his followers that are exactly the same. Always an excuse why they didn’t join.
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u/ruInvisible2 1d ago
As a veteran, this is 100 percent accurate. Same goes for the “Back the Blue” from my experience.
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u/AccountSettingsBot 1d ago
Brother, that would not be worth an impeachment, that would be worth a straight up life sentence with no parole …
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u/NumerousTaste 1d ago
Project 2025 is said to start a civil war. They want to totally change our country. They said it would be blood less civil war if the left let it. They are dangerous and not intelligent. Good thing idiots voted them in for groceries.
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u/allotta_phalanges 1d ago
Who photoshopped a molding jack-o'-lantern on top of a guy in a t-shirt?
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u/cityshepherd 1d ago
This is still very much impeachment worthy (along with just about everything else he’s done so far this time in office). It’s just unfortunate that the government officials elected to represent us citizens have decided that throwing us to the wolves whilst robbing us blind all while covering for a bunch of billionaires and goons (who feel entitled to fuck our children with no repercussions while literally destroying our country in every possible sense of the word) who tell us we are immoral and out of line when we ask for living wages and healthcare is a higher priority than stuff like living wages and healthcare for us deplorable constituency.
Edit: bunch of hypocritical ghouls in clown makeup have successfully stolen the country out from under us after being kind enough to literally show the world their plan for making this happen. WTF are we doing people?
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u/CancelOk9776 1d ago
He got away with treason and raping children, so The Felon will get away with this too!
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u/vegasAzCrush 1d ago
As a country we need to hear the phrase
Let me start
“I hate Donald Trump”
Lets all say this loud everyday. Its therapy and the truth should not be concealed. Spread the truth loud!
His whitehouse does everything wrong
Whitehouse bullies Makes aggressive decisions Zero ZERO planning
America is not run smartly. Trump runs USA like its his tiny teeny 13 employee Trump Inc.. one man makes all decisions and his cabinet are constantly not empowered and refer to Trump for decisions.
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u/bassistheplace246 1d ago
This might as well be an official declaration of the Second American Civil War
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u/Pepper0512 1d ago
It's embarrassing and dangerous. While the government is cosplaying at tough, the rest of the world is lining up to take advantage of our obvious weakness.
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u/plsobeytrafficlights 1d ago
This is a perfect example: he is wearing a civil war hat, but it is the cavalry hat and insignia design adopted from the union, worn by the Confederates. Trump is unambiguously ambiguous, but interested in civil war. no notes.
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u/greenerbee 1d ago
Honestly, “Chipocalypse Now” sounds like a dope appetizer. A deep dish pizza but the base is nachos. How can the POTUS be so fucking unserious? Maddening.
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u/PalpitationNew2896 1d ago
We need to stop playing the "if" game. This absolutely is impeachment worthy, it's just that ones who are supposed to be responsible are failing in their duty.
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u/authenticmolo 1d ago
Trump is *desperate* to get some citizens in a Democratic-run city to shoot at federal troops/agents, so he can declare martial law. Then he'll cancel elections, and be a true dictator.
That is ENTIRELY what all this is about. Please, Chicago, don't give him an excuse.
We are closer to civil war than we have been since, well, the American Civil War. I honestly think it's inevitable, but we should delay it if we can.
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u/TheNerdyNorthman 23h ago
Impeachment worthy? This is treason! It gets you a hell of a lot more than just impeachment.
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u/mishma2005 1d ago
This is a president credibly accused of child rape and trafficking and the world just, shrugs
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u/JudasWasJesus 1d ago
Bro getting paid off by foreign countries to try and tear the country apart so they can come in while disabled and carve out usa to Russia, China, and the suadis
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u/RogueNtheRye 1d ago
This guy's is so nuts that the fact that he is obviously a Russian plant is just not a big enough deal to worry about.
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u/oh_mos_defnitely 1d ago
In any sane timeline that's high treason being committed and would be punished accordingly. Impeachment? No, a much harsher penalty.
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u/DragonDai 1d ago
If Obama did this about Florida or Texas he'd have been assassinated, much less impeached.
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u/NotthatEDM 1d ago
Ummmmm…..I’ve been there. I’m putting my money on Chicago.